Brazil vs South Korea (Americas come)

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Verstepping33

I haven’t been paying much attention to the Americas region as a whole, but why is Brazil seen as a weaker region compared to South Korea?
Both regions have won a world title and have the same amount of teams in their respective legue, although one seems to be dominating their region whilst the other is struggling to have even one Front-runner.

-Lack of talents?
-Talents scattered?
-Passion?
-Cronyism?

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Nepotism I swear even if it works out it's so obvious players are recycled 24/7 and rebuilds are very rare in Brazil

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Isn't that the problem with FURIA/LOUD?

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Nah mibr was like this too before aspas forced a rebuild

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I do think Brazil is better than most SK talent but our biggest weakness is probably the lack of good IGLs. All aim no brain.

Hoping v1nny can change that.

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South Korea has goated work ethic and passion though if any region falls off for a second they're taking over valorant too

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This aint League of legends , this wont happen

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If they're interested in a game it's happening it's not just league look at the old overwatch league

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Brazil is not better than sk at talent atm, we can go band for band with the talent, only aspas and less can compete

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lack of good igls and coaches

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Brazil actually is better than South Korea, but the local we live makes us look weaker.
It's called Abbinghaus effect, when 2 things wich has the same size (or bigger), but is surrended by bigger or smallers things, will make they look respectivly diferent.

SK is from pacific, the weakest, BR is from Americas, the strongest.

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its okay to be biased but not delusional. You guys lose out to latam an underdeveloped region all the time we are not the same.

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Sorry but this is just sociology, not my opinion, just science.

Both regions have won a world title and have the same amount of teams in their respective legue, although one seems to be dominating their region whilst the other is struggling

He asked why, I explained why, simple as that.

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IMO it doesnt have anything to do with the competition you guys are surrounded by but instead the own mismanagement of your own orgs. + the work ethic gap and determination between west and east pros. That work ethic part is so undervalued by fans. People dont understand korea went through a lot to reach where they are lol. Brazil doesnt seem to make the same sacrifices as them so Im not surprised korea surpassed them quick.

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People dont understand korea went through a lot to reach where they are lol.

Given direct Masters/Champions slots in 2020-2022
Located as host of Pacific => no problem about visa, living environment, language, fans, server, ...
Given most partners slots in Pacific (3)
Challengers teams can scrim with tier 1 locally

Yah, too hardly understanding...

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SEA has the most Partners slots...
TLN/PRX/RRQ/TS = 4 Slots
5 if you count GE

Brazil also had a direct slot to Masters and Champs, and had a chance at a 2nd slot + LCQ.
In fact, BR had 2 whole slots at Masters 2 Reykjavik and Champs 21 not including LCQ.
KR didn't have that chance.

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SEA is not a COUNTRY, meaning even if you group all SEA teams, SEA fans still won't care how many teams SEA has as much as how many teams their own country has. RRQ was previously criticized by Indonesian fans for trying to build a Philippines team instead of Indonesia in 2023 franchise.

In 2021, due to inaugural season, slots were given based on each region's FPS platform. Brazil had CSGO, Korea had Overwatch. Brazil was given 2, Korea was given 1 slot in Masters 2 Reykjavik, Champs 21, this was reasonable. Because after all, Valorant game play is look like CSGO more than OW.

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also this was"fixed" in 22 when each country (BR/KR) had one spot + chance for LCQ in the continent and korea couldn't classify a second team

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Retard you got 0 knowledge on fumbled korea val launch and shit org investment. SEA and br used have two slots until franchise announced. Stop being a delusional sea inbred

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Bruh you are one of the worst type of supporter kr team could ever hope to get. You make actual kr people and kr teams fans look so bad on your own. Why are you always so arrogant or toxic? Just ignore dumb comments. Also pls support your American teams rather than the kr teams. You are one reason people might hate geng.

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You just soft dumbass who lets people walk over you. People on this website share false narratives about korea 24/7. Nobody wanna speak up about it il do it. Stop being a pussy and who gaf what I support. Im a fluent korean. I aint hiding my culture like you 😂. Mfers on here truly think Im an american who has no ties to korea 😂😂

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insane how latam is an "underdeveloped region" and korea isn't when they had the same international success historically (KR has advantage because of GenG runs in 2024 but outside of that Latam is actually far superior)

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No they are not wtf? Korea always had drx making deep runs. Latam did it like once back in 2021. They did it once again in 2024 but with only 2 latam players. Even without counting Geng and nuturn. Drx alone have better success than all of latam.

Reminder that latam did not win any international game in 2023 outside of lock in

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the thing is korea always was a one team region. they never had more than one team with relevance at the same time, even regionally, pre-franchising, while LATAM was getting two teams to internationals because they could actually win LCQs (with harder opponents)

after franchising this got better because LATAM got on a league much harder than KR with less teams. but KR still havent got over DRX until GENG in 24. thats why now they got an advantage: their international runs were in fact better and now they have more than one team.

but my point is: as a region, they're not very far from each other. you cant say one is underdeveloped and the other isnt. KR has more international runs, but LATAM has classified to internationals more times. KR has advantage because of the masters title but, outside of that, theyre pretty similar on international runs too.

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you are right but korea is better than latam im sorry. SEA is more successful than LATAM. LATAM best achievement came from aspas and 2 americans. And if korea played in americas they would be more successful than brazil or latam teams and thats a fact. Thats is where work ethic comes into play.

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i mean, currently we dont know, because we havent had an international. but based on 24, i think only GenG could be great in americas, since DRX was very weird through regular season and T1 was just straight up mediocre

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really? I think drx would be better than most americas teams, GENG would destroy in 2024, and T1 shouldve beat g2 at shanghai but choked didnt they? So yes I think korea teams would be good in americas even based on 2024. Imo pacific is very underrated, people still think this region is nothing without prx and the korean teams but I bet you RRQ and talon can beat a lot of the americas teams. Even Team secret on a good day can send a message. But yes americas is the best region atm I agree, but still pacific is pretty underrated, they are improving year in year out

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we have to agree to disagree then, but its fair enough. i do agree that pacific (and of course Korea, since theyre 3/4 of the semifinals now) is getting better, but we have yet to see how well they and the other regions do internationally to have criteria for comparisons

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I can agree with that, champs 2024 was a disaster for pacific. 3 grouped teams is crazy I wont lie.

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Never was latam ever more superior than korea. I mean what are yall smoking out there in brazil

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foythvlr

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far superior was wrong actually im gonna say that
but they do have similar results overall as regions (with KR having advantage over having an international title)

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Also, this is one of the reasons that, if u watche some pro analysis of someone who have higher rank than u, (A radiant analyzing a Immortal). U might get youself thinking "I'm better than this guy", "I could do better".

The truth is you couldn't, you think like this bc his surronding (9 Immortals in game + a Radiant showing his mistakes), makes him looks small.
But if was a immortal in a smurf being analyzed by a gold, he would look like god and u would think "He is hacking", "The best player in thr world".

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why are people downvoting you for saying pacific is easier than americas and that makes korean teams look better in comparison lol

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Because you are delusional if you think MIBR or Furia in 2023-2024 would go to internationals in any region(even China).While all 3 koreans team went and did great, decent and bad( Geng , DRX and T1 respectively) . I'll gjve you 2023 loud, probably stronger than all korean team in 2023. Its not a different league problem, your team are just shit

Geng and DRX are proven in the international stage. Even T1 have their wins in the international(against early edg and fpx lul) Your teams are at the 3 bottom teams in Americas.

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i will have to agree with 2024, KR was far superior than Brazil. But 2023? I can say for sure both MIBR and Furia would classify to internationals if they played Pacific with the same roster and they were in fact not very good

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…yea br loses to the best teams in Americas (probably the most competitive region) but losing to the worst teams changes the story completely

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I actually agree with neoptism

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This is because it's not actually a valid comparison in terms of regional position.
The Americas country equivalent to SK is US. Both have 45% player stakes, home stadiums, and Riot branches (Americas - Riot HQ, PAC - Riot Korea) that control the other subregions and organize the leagues.

The APAC equivalent of Brazil is Japan. But this is fucking preposterous!
It's a ridiculous comparison. The subregion structure of the two leagues is not the same.

If you're talking about pure skill and not league structure, we should just watch the real game.

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Apac brazil equivalent is sea, an undeveloped but very talented region with the best aim but 0 structure. Latam is Japan

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but Brazil is better. You may think different, but you are just wrong.

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pacific is a easier region

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Brazilian currency is weak, what make very difficult to build a team with our best players. Like, a team can pay 1 or 2 stars players, but never with 4 or 5. Thats happens only with loud, when the players arent stars yet.

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MAN THESE BRAZILIANS DELUSIONAL, havent heard of a single good high iq brazilian player since sacy 😂😂😂 lets keep it a buck now. And Im not here saying is brazil bad by any means. They are easily still one of the regions that pumps out prospects but their talent is stagnant the past few years. Not fair to say they are better than korea anymore

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alright gordonramssy i get it kr now is look strong & i admit that, but u need to chill about saying BRAZILIANS DELUSIONAL lol, humble ur self big bro maybe u forgetting the 2022-2023 season where T1 and GENG were absolute ass and DRX only got better going into Champs after roster change fuck them up, on top of that in early years other pacific team is not sending their best to, DFM is DFM absolute dogshit, GE is GE (u know) RRQ dogshit yada yada yada

and yeah after GENG looks so strong in 2024 & win first thropy for pacific The kr team follow the waves winning acension and looks strong this year but relax a bit with the ego

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All that and korea was still better than brazil since 2023. Brazil is nothing with loud. Korea has 3-4 iterations of lan rosters. Brazil has hasnt sent a single roster outside of loud since 2022. INDONESIAN DO NOT TALK TO ME. GO WORRY ABOUT HUMBLING YOUR OTHER indos. The last thing I wanna hear is some indo telling me to be humble when I can name 10000 examples of your people being 10x worse. Do not ever talk to me about humbling as an indo.

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Pls never ever associate him with kr teams and their fans. He is just too toxic and arrogant. Bro isn't even Korean but is actually just obsessed and calls himself a Korean guy studying in America and says he takes pride in Korean culture but I don't think being this arrogant or toxic is part of Korean culture. he is just some delusional obsessed American guy who is actually baiting hate against geng.

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I never understood how a non korean can end up calling a real Korean fake. You are pathetic in your own way 😂. Man people are on here are socially retarded my fault. Didnt know I was a fake korean suddenly 😂. I was born in korea you low iq bums.

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Damm schizophrenia is really harmful. Pls visit a hospital soon. Man it's sad but pls you aren't a real Korean. Man I actually feel so sad for your situation. Don't worry it will be fine soon. Just take your meds on time.

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a koreaboo calling someone a fake korean, you cant this up no more, stop projecting pussy. We know you wanna be korean. And if any mfers on here think every korean should be nice and respectful you got that shit confused with kdramas

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Man didn't you visit any doctor yet? Still getting those schizophrenic episodes. Tbh Must be hard in America ig without the health insurance. Don't worry just open a charity account. People will help you with the money.

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ah if only you werent a koreaboo this wouldve been easy, but really a koreaboo calling me fake is something Ive never experienced before.

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Sorry. I actually feel sad atp. You are actually really Korean. I admit it. Also I guess I am more of a weeb than koreaboo as japanese anime or cartoons and games were big part of my childhood. Only part about Korea I like is drx and val eSports.