China | VLR.gg

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Toph_

Surely there’s a conversation to be had that they’re the strongest region currently?

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Here's the conversation summed up:

"Wow, is China the strongest region rn?"
"No, Americas exists"
"ah shit, you right"

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DaBetz

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xi lai gaming shitstomps entire americas

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Ultime

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g2 would shit on them with ease

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cope

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Ultime

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did you see how good g2 looked? Im assuming not

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Toph_

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More bottom tier Americas teams than china.

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babysasuke

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Any Americas team would place top 3 in any other region

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DELULU

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Drg clears the bottom 6 America's teams

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Toph_

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G2 sure, Sen sure, 100T sure the rest no.

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"Americas Exist, ah shit you're right, but we're not talking about tier 58484"

fatherless revtard

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why do you have a typing quirk lmao

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Er3ngenes1s

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fartsuke rage baits in 25. bro is cooked with the adulthood

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Ryandr

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Nope still needs to catch up. Especially bottom teams are bit too bad. But the region is improving really fast.

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Toph_

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I don’t think 2G is better than all gamers or Tyloo. Tec at least look competent. Kru looks clueless Furia looks relatively clueless. And the rest of china genuinely just looks good maybe less so on jdg.

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Apac > china >>>> americas >> emea

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🐮

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Robbiebk >> Apac > china >>>> americas >> emea

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Can't wait for Bangkok.

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Jumping to conclusions

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Az3

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If someone say that he must be baiting

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Toph_

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I think it’s a fair take

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Ullyr

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uh vlr and reddit is not ready to have this conversations. It will end with them calling EDG fluke

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Ryandr

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Come-on overhyping edg or china isn't good. It will just create more hate on the region and edg. Same as what happened to prx or primmie.

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Ullyr

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not even overhyping them but when edg been getting hate for like 2 to 3 years and then they won champs and ppl still saying fluke is crazy to me

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any china team is definitely better than emea's best, but if any of them played an americas team they would get slaughtered.

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Cacachocolat

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That makes america's the worst region because they got farmed by EMEA last year

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Yistyy

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doesn't mean shit unless you have a trophy to show for it. emea's last trophy was masters tokyo 2023.

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DaBetz

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true and thanks to that shit flair

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emea had one top 4 team all of 2024

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Cacachocolat

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FNC was unlucky with Leo missing anyways, but still, EMEA owns you.

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FNC with Leo didn't even make Madrid. TH was the only team making it to top 4 in 2024, and they didn't take a single trophy. America's sent two teams to top 4 every single international of 2024 plus secured a trophy on top of it. EMEA is actually a one team fraud region by comparison. They literally do not own shit.

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Cacachocolat

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EMEA owned America's what are you talking about lmao, least delusional american

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serot

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"EMEA owned americas" proceeds to say absolutely nothing else to back it up, s tier ragebait

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Cacachocolat

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You are free to check the past results.

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Schneefeuer11

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No.
Have you seen any team except TE, EDG and XLG play?

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Toph_

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Yes. BLG look solid, DRG look solid, FPX looks solid. Nova has much room for improvement but still look good. And even teams below them aren’t “bad” apart from all gamers and tyloo

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Schneefeuer11

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FPX is everything but Solid

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Toph_

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Elaborate. What are the flaws in FPX that a team like PRX T1 KC FUT and any americas teams that aren’t g2 and sen don’t also have.

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If you're defining best region by which region has the best team then it's hard to argue against the current world champions

However, if you define it by which region has the highest chance of winning the next masters, then no matter how each individual kickoff match goes, and taking all possible permutations of the two teams going to Bangkok into account, then the best region is the region with the highest number of contender-level teams--which I doubt anyone would give to China.

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Toph_

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Yes I think china has an argument for having the most contenders. BLG EDG DRG Trace FPX and XLG are all great teams. And I think nova is getting up there as well.

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Nachtel

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You think Nova, BLG, and Drg are on the same level as Heretics, G2, Vitality, KC, NRG, and SEN?

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Toph_

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NRG lost to C9… the only reason you have them that high is because of the off season where they had a extremely close game with BLG even then… difference is NRG somehow look worse and BLG look better. XLG nearly beat BLG and also nearly 2-0’d EDG I would confidently put KC over BLG or XLG. DRG have also been playing very well. Thus far I’d only put G2 Sen and Vitality confidently above those teams.

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Hell no

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The conversation's definitely there.

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x_knowitall39_x

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why would anyone think that china is the strongest region. to be a strong region you have to have more than one non-shit team. Im sorry but internationally the 2nd best chinese team wouldnt even be close to cracking into the top 4 in a tourney

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anyone who's watched any china games would think that right now China has the most number of teams that are structurally sound and ready to challenge a title as a team. Go watch our saviour Sliggyton watch China, China is doing so much better but you wouldn't care anyway because you're prejudiced and a patriot and don't care enough about the leagues to even give them a chance. in 2 to 3 years when the whole esports evolves into a full on asia dominated esport you'll just be sitting there making videos on where everything went wrong for americas

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Cacachocolat

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Blablabla .... there will be no asian domination in Valorant.

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Anzaldinho

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europeans cucked in LoL so bad for so long you bring your insecurity to valorant instead

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Toph_

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Second best Chinese team is between edg and trace. Both of which look significantly better than literally every apac team thus far all but 1 maybe 2 emea teams and all but 2 americas teams. To be the strongest region you need overall better teams.

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same was said about FPX last year and what the fuck did they do at madrid?

Diddled by a b tier Loud

Chinese teams have been since the dawn of time dicked down their region and have subpar international tournaments

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Toph_

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Same was also said last year and then Edg won champs. Idc what people said last year right how trace looked better than every apac team and majority of all other teams in all other regions.

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I'm still convinced that CN is weakest after EMEA (CN > EMEA)
I honestly need one last international tourney to convince myself that China is indeed as strong as everyone thinks they are.
Excited to see what'll happen in the coming months

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brahianv

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its going to be edg winning again and people will think china is strong region when one team carries their asses for at least 2 years even before vct

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Toph_

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Yeah only difference is that the teams which used to be bad and seem like and entire tier difference to other regions no longer look bad. China ascension team look better than ever other ascension team bar Nongshim and look better than most other teams in general. BLG and DRG flat out look like solid teams and have more than caught up to FPX and who have always been considered one of the only “good” teams in china along with EDG. Who also managed insane games with 2 of the best teams from last year. And even nova look to be reaching that same level. With trace already showing they were there in champs. Edg can with it’s simply because they’re better.