real human take

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wowowooww

inits who have excellent util usage but typically don't frag insane are the most underrated prototype in valorant which is crazy bc their arguably the most important role in a team. players like sacy, ethan, crashies, jonahp, simon, beyn etc will always be better and win more than compared to fragging inits like verno, trent, leo, eeiu.

#2

MrBulbe

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crazy how verno clears all the other people you mentioned

#3

BabyWizard

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Just wrong.

#4

dort

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awful take

not a single org is taking sacy over verno

#5

MrBulbe

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W take

#25

zhongZHI

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tbh i do see a world where teams prefer s1mon over verno if he meshes well. we forget s1mon's breach is by far the best in the world

#27

dort

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the delusion of edg fans is unmatched
gotta respect it ig

#6

nutab1e

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valid until c0m wasn't there

#10

wowowooww

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hes in the etc

#16

Azzelastia

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C0M is a champs winner. One of the best ini in the world

#7

unknown_trash

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You are stupid. Leo has the best sova in EMEA and a fantastic initiator pool with which he can absolutely support his teammates with, because he has perfect util usage. You are defo a new gen if you think Leo is only good at fragging.

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sideshowsbaldhead

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leo has 1.5 trophies eeiu has a regional trophy and you failed to mention riens who is lowkey the best initiator in the world and choked 4 grand finals last year

#9

wowowooww

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brother, just bc u dont win the finals doesn't mean u don't have success.

#11

sideshowsbaldhead

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yeah i worded that poorly i mean that riens can shoot and has elite util and was on one of the most successful teams of the last year

#19

Azzelastia

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Fluking to the finals doesn't mean you are good.

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sideshowsbaldhead

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i like hating on emea as much as anyone but you don’t exactly fluke to 4/6 possible grand finals in a season lmao

#12

cloudberry

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+1. I've felt this way for so long. Players like cauanzin, Lakia, and MrFaliN feel invaluable to me

#13

bobwoblob

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L0kia 🤣🤣🤣

Cauanzin is actually good and frags.

#18

cloudberry

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inits who have excellent util usage but typically don't frag insane

cauanzin has been fragging more heavily nowadays but that just adds to his value imo

#26

wowowooww

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HOW DID I FORGOT THE GOAT CAUANZIN

#14

kanyefan4238173

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what about someone who does both like trexx

#17

bE

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future goat

#15

kaninv

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the game is about killing people
it's required to kill people to win the rounds and the game

#23

wowowooww

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easier to kill someone when ur duelist knows where everyone is or is flashed :)

#20

destroylonely

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crazy how verno mogs everyone mentioned

#22

milflover92

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I agree, and I think it makes players like Verno, Trexx and Leo even better since they're able to do both. But in general I believe that fragging initiators aren't as valuable as the support ones, especially when a top tier duelist is around. In a scenario where firepower isn't present is the only real scenario I would take a fragger over a support initiator.

#24

wowowooww

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support inits r the difference between good duelists and great ones and good anchors v elite anchors which is IMO the most important role in val.

#28

uwukitten

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lmao it's hilarious putting s0cy in the same tier as ethan, crashies and simon when none of them are "bad fraggers"
ethan is very good and crashies pre-2024 wasn't an amazing fragger but he was still miles ahead of s0cy 2023/2024.
simon has insane aim, have you even watched him play?

leo has also won more than them while being the best player on his team, unlike the frequent bottom frag initiators (s0cy, c0m) who are unarguably the least vital part of the team's win