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Gc is misunderstood

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Cheasle2

I wanted to make this post regarding gamechangers, and all the controversy surrounding women in esports, and particularly trans players in GC. If you have a strong opinion on this, I suggest you read and listen.

biologically, there is 0 difference in skill between men and women.
the difference comes socially; 10-20 years ago, boys could freely play video games as kids, but girls would often be shunned, pushed away from it, dissuaded by parents etc. It wasn't socially acceptable for girls to play, but for boys it was fine.
This of course has the knock-on effect, that nowadays, 20 years later (2024) the boys who grew up playing video games are much much better, especially at the pro level, since they have grown up playing video games their whole lives. considering being an esports player was a dream for many young boys, but was completely denied for many young girls.

Game Changers is Riot's way of telling young girls it's ok to play video games. I'm sure there are plenty of young girls who are inspired by gamechangers to strive for pro, and in a few years times the top talents will be emerging; girls who also grew up playing video games their whole lives, and with a dream of going pro. The talent pool will be much wider.
The reason why trans players are 'better' in GC is obvious; they were boys during their childhood!

Many people come to the question then; why allow trans/non-binary players into game changers? They didn't face the societal struggles that women did when they were younger and wanted to play video games. This is true! trans players often didn't face societal backlash as kids, but through their teenage years, and now into late teens/early 20s where a majority of trans players in esports fit - they are facing significant societal backlash, bullying and hatred for simply existing. GC allows trans players to compete, because trans players, like women, are also looking for a space where they can compete free of judgement and bullying AND is Riot's way of communicating to younger trans fans that it's ok to be who you are, and that esports is a space for them as well - because face the facts, there aren't any trans players in the main circuit either.

So, if you actually read through this, thank you. And if you are one of the people who is critical of GC's eligibility rules, I hope that you can appreciate that GC is more than a "women's league" and serves a much bigger purpose for the future of women and trans players in Valorant, esports and in society.

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kanyefan4238173
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There is a difference biologically I’d say but I don’t make much of it

Social difference is definitely why they made gc

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Dreoxx
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I agree with you but I also agree with OPs post other than that singular point. its very much critical to expand the horizon of the non-male FPS, and moreso gaming community.

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hontonikireidesu
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I would like to think of it the other way, 10-20 years ago there isn't a widespread use of they/them pronouns. By the same token, shouldn't biological males compete in VCT instead since they had prior exposure to computer games and thus should be categorized together with males He/his?

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LeGOATE
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Sorry OP but "biologically, there is 0 difference in skill between men and women." is not true, men have faster response time than women. And if you know when it comes to FPS game response time is one of the advantage. You can look it up on Google you will see a lot of researches about this.

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moomoomoomeadows
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Hi! I found some studies on google, I think this is the first that comes up (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4456887/) It found a small increase for men when they identified as sedentary but between women and men that were active they had a negligible difference explained away with the small sample size. So women that work out can have the same reaction time as men that work out. It's a tie.

This is the second (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-16045-1) it shows that a minority of men have a faster reaction time, they only do one task (steer) while women have a slightly slower time (0.018 ms) but can do two tasks (steer and brake). This implies that the reason for a woman's slower reaction is that they react smarter. I would say in esports you have to do more than just move your mouse, you have to click, which actually gives women a point here biologically.

Third (https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2044-8295.1980.tb01766.x) I can't access it because I'm not a British student but the abstract says women actually won out on reaction time.

If you'd like I can keep investigating this, but I think I've proven my point.

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JackRipperTHEGREAT
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If there's biologically no difference in skill between men and women why has none of the gamechangers teams ever manage to qualify for the challengers leagues even the top GC teams failed(G2 Gozen, SR) while the VCT China teams which came into existence at the same time or even later are beating top NA and EMEA teams and even winning the VCT Champs? Explain me this phenomenon then?

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TM06Nick
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By this metric then SR should go through every time since flor is trans

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JackRipperTHEGREAT
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the other members are cis and last time I checked 5>1 right?

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moomoomoomeadows
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if theres no biological difference in indian players and american players how come american players are more often in vct than indian players? its because of social differences duh

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shaggyboy1030
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in respect to india it's less of social & more of financial i would say

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ohnyfans
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it is financial, mainly due to social issues, wouldn't you agree?

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MassterBaiter
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People are saying there's no biological difference between men and women in eSports..... Bruh every female GC team got shitted on during T2-T3 qualification rounds by T4 men's team......... Idk why people are just denying the simple evolution theory....... No offense to female player's but even if there are as much as female players online like there are male players there still will be skill gap due to the quick adaptability of men in general....... Some people will still cry about it that it's not possible but actually it is.......... NB are actually biologically men but they think they don't belong to any gender so that doesn't change the fact that their reaction time and adaptability is as same as a women team..... It'll be closer to male skills...........

Lamborghini won't be a Toyota if you put Toyota's Logo on Lambo........

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Bonkbonk201
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"biologically, there is 0 difference in skill between men and women." this is an ignorant take mostly made by people who don't understand or who haven't looked at basic scientific studies on the facts. https://www.acsm.org/news-detail/2023/09/29/acsm-releases-expert-consensus-statement-the-biological-basis-of-sex-differences-in-athletic-performance this is from the American college of sports medicine and it says in the first few statements of KEY FINDINGS "Biological sex is a determinant of athletic performance" if u want to read further into it I highly advise it because it doesn't just shit on women and say "men better" with the final key determination which says "The rate of improvement in athletic performance of women has exceeded that of men in the last 100 years across a multitude of sports as women have gained access to training, equipment, facilities, and opportunities."

"the difference comes socially; 10-20 years ago, boys could freely play video games as kids, but girls would often be shunned, pushed away from it, dissuaded by parents etc. It wasn't socially acceptable for girls to play, but for boys it was fine." I don't get the point of this because while yes, people were shunned for it and not given the same opportunities, if u really wanted to do something u could've still done it, just because people u know disagree with u does not = u needing to listen to their bullshit and therefore, in my opinion u should go after what u wanted to do despite the fact, I feel if u really cared about it you would've done such and I will accept that with some things such as football it was physically impossible to do so I understand there are barriers there, but on the contrary of that "if u really wanted to do something u could've still done it" comes into effect here, women wanted their ability to compete in these sports back so eventually they gained the momentum and the support to make it happen and it's turned out to be severely positive for I feel everyone involved. everything I've said here I feel also fits into "This of course has the knock-on effect, that nowadays, 20 years later (2024) the boys who grew up playing video games are much much better, especially at the pro level, since they have grown up playing video games their whole lives. considering being an esports player was a dream for many young boys, but was completely denied for many young girls."

"The reason why trans players are 'better' in GC is obvious; they were boys during their childhood!"
from https://www.brown.edu/news/2017-02-27/gameskill
"the research showed that people who played the most matches per week (more than 64) had the largest increase in skill over time. But playing lots of games wasn’t the most efficient way to improve skill. Looking at the data another way — in terms of which groups showed the most improvement per match rather an over time — showed markedly different results. That analysis showed that, over their first 200 matches, those who played four to eight matches week gained the most skill per match, followed by those who played eight to 16 matches." essentially it's like working out in a lot of ways, if u do lots of reps of heavy weight you'd assume you'd become stronger, but rather your just more injury prone and if u space it out and lift slightly less weight you'll consistently improve more over time, so while yes men have had more time to compete, everyone had the same amount of time to practice and I know stories of male footballers who were playing football for fun way before they became part of a club, so on one hand, yes you're right but women can still fairly easily catch up, and if they just enjoyed playing they'd already have been practicing, I would also like to make clear that esports does not have a long shelf life like football or other sports, people often retire around 25/30 apart from rare cases considering that fact it should be a lot easier for women to "catch up" especially if, like in Valorant they know they have a scene to work around, obviously there's opposing factors there like "oh we can't practice effectively due to toxic people or weird men being creeps" my advice for that would be, find a 5 stack and start to go hard to strats and improve your aim/movement and other repetitive things in dms or tdms.

basically, tl:dr

some things your so off base, some your right on and some ur completely denying facts, but some just lack a severe amount of context on or plain out ignorance on and some your just completely right on, if I didn't reply I didn't feel the need to explain further, the point is that u need a much bigger discussion about this if u want anything to actually change, like leo faria does when he comes on and explains formats or rulings etc, it would be nice to have someone like him for specifically gc and explaining why everything works like it does and whatnot. i hope anyone who reads learns something from it

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deadpark
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thanks for the effort and for the sources :)

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