SEN team, upgrade or down grade?

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kalayav_n

bang : slight upgrade interms of agent pool, slight downgrade with stats and mechanics
n4rrate : downgrade

lowkey this shit not making any int.

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holy bait

#3

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you lost 2 of the staple players of your team and barely made champs. you really think without tenz bailing your ass and sacy leading your team, your about to jus run over NA teams and qualify?

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went from sacy who was going -20 in elim games to narrate who was dragging kc by the balls to being a top team in emea

mans was 1v5ing, yall call sacy clutch like narrate isnt

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https://www.vlr.gg/318925/karmine-corp-vs-natus-vincere-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w3/?game=164131&tab=overview

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N4rrate was kc's best player but saying that he was 1 v 5 ing is just untrue

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no i mean he had 1v5s :)

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I honestly think its 50/50

Narrate vs Sacy: If Narrate can be as good as a voice in the team like sacy was, I feel like they would be on par or narrate would be slightly better
Bang vs Tenz: Its weird because bang CAN be better than tenz, but bang is hella inconsistent sometimes

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your are mental LOL, narrate is not a leader like sacy, sacy's initator setups and util is like day and night compared to n4rrates. you also dont have tenz anymore giving you almost really 4 rounds on him for free every map

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Welcome to what an opinion is

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kalayav_n

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i mean tbh what do you see in narrate

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Just look at his stats and clips from last year bruh

#59

kalayav_n

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emea + got assaulted that he couldnt even win 4 games in 2 splits combined lol

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holy crap you are a D1 hater. Just watch your team fail once you lose aspas to DRG

#63

kalayav_n

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you really think i hate narrate because he joined sen?

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You singled him out

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kalayav_n

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i been thinking KC is shit, i love bang btw so its not because i hate sentinels

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downgrade in experience and aura for sure

#7

kalayav_n

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cant wait to see the shit they blame now since sacy is gone sheesh this is gonna be a good season

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KyLZi

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Zellsis is hate tribute 100%

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kalayav_n

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ngl wouldnt be mad at a zellsis hate tribute, he doesnt belong in that team lol. but sen fans will see that next year innit

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n4rrate >>>>>>>>> s0cy

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If you think about it like TenZ + sacy vs narrate + bang then I see it as pretty even as long as bang stays consistent

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kalayav_n

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in what way is narrate's initator on par with literally the best initator of all time? am i missing something here? narrate played an average fade with insane 4k's in kickoff and didnt qualify for a single int after madrid. is there a offseason tournament where hes banging in 50 kills as sova or something?

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n4rrate likely won't be playing sova, zekken will

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kalayav_n

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? then whos playing duelist.. i mean for sunset you need neon/raze and a sova...

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N4rrate was a duelist main before KC

#19

kalayav_n

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zekken is top 3 duelists in the world theres no way u take him off duelist..

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ima be honest I have never watched narrate play im just coping hard rn

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kalayav_n

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as a person whos watched every emea game, narrate isn't anything special and compared to sacy hes literally nothing in terms of initator, duelist hes alright but man you have downgraded massive

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although I like bang but man, Tenz on this team would have been nuts. Like that big 3 is VERY scary if they are all playing well man. Bang is probs the most annoying player I remember Sen playing against tho, bro would win 100T rounds against Sen which would make me sooo mad. So I'm happy with this man.

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the only fan who i see actually that sees bang as a good player, why are your other compatriots trashing on bang lol but yeah no the rest of your squad is geeked

#21

Srathens1

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50/50 ngl N4rrate is insane and so is bang but we'll see

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kalayav_n

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narrate is the most average player in that team and on initator if thats his role; oowee are we gonna see some stinkers LOL. he cant even play gekko properly last time

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n4rrate : downgrade

💀

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kalayav_n

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lowkey should put massive downgrade instead right?

#28

dort

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if we were comparing him to crashies yes

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kalayav_n

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in terms of what, getting 13-3'ed?

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dort

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skill, aura, handsomeness
u name it

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dort vs kalyav is crazy

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tilted too much ranked today or what

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kalayav_n

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YxrZIK8AOk&list=PLTlFZO3kdyGCRN24RN-shqG__nPjkdast&t=370s

watch this excellent display of initator util to setup duelist display LMFAO

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might be a hot take but this is an upgrade
the thing that people don't talk about is how tenz was setup like a duelist in many of their setups when on omen but now they can put full effort into setting up zekken which will increase his impact even more
bang is just a really self sufficient controller and gives sen a 3rd viper and an insane omen anchor

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kalayav_n

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how do you setup zekken with narrate as your initator.. 💀 if sacy(the guy who setup aspas to be the greatest duelist and carried LOUD in istanbul) wasn't good enough to setup zekken how tf is narrate going to set up zekken?

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never said that sacy wasn't enough to setup zekken, just said that sacy would often setup both tenz and zekken. ofc he did it well but when not having another player like tenz who you want to be making plays like a duelist, you can allocate more util towards zekken.

also narrate fade? zellsis kayo? narrate skye? narrate gekko? like this guy is a good initiator he just hasn't played sova

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kalayav_n

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narrate gekko is not what you think it is

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n4rrate is probably an upgrade in terms of firepower. bang has a LOT to prove to take the place of tenz, especially last year when he was one of if not sen's best player. the team has the potential to be a really good upgrade but it depends on how the players mesh

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kalayav_n

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ill jus wait until next year lol

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one of the best fraggers in EMEA from init probably one of the best fragging inits in the world to be honest and then you go to Bang who is obviously a downgrade but still has a shit ton of good firepower and has proven he could hang with the best this is the best roster yet

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kalayav_n

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one of the best fraggers that didnt make shanghai and champs who also lost 9/13 games in both split 1 and 2 and also had a singular assist on gekko with regenerative util. lol you cant make this shit up, sen fans dont actually watch games

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PokeKidMax

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this guy had magnum on his team, ofc he's not making events

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kalayav_n

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i mean tbf how the fuck do you get 1 assist with gekko on regenerative util with 20 rounds of chances

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PokeKidMax

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let me see the map, i don't check emea stats much

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kalayav_n

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https://www.vlr.gg/318925/karmine-corp-vs-natus-vincere-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w3/?game=164131&tab=overview

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PokeKidMax

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that's kinda crazy lol but it doesn't show the full impact of his util (info with dizzy, defusing with wingman, molly)

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kalayav_n

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OH MAN YOU AINT READY, the games hes had on sova is as worse 😭 . man you guys never watched emea so honestly cant argue with people who havent watched him. ill jus wait til next year when it all unfolds

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"Games" brother he played sova once ever

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kalayav_n

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slight mistake, ill own. he plays fade and kayo regularly though. he played jett on most sova maps

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how do you say games on sova when he's played legit once and he lost 3-13 not even his fault his team just got shit on

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How is "didnt make shanghai and champs" an argument. N4rrate was on a dogshit tier 2 NA team that got RELEGATED last year, does that mean he was shit then? Theres a reason he got picked up to KC even after that...

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kalayav_n

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u cant claim someone is the best or one of the best if they dont even make 2/3 biggest int tournaments. its like saying some west brom player is the best if he doesnt attend CL, WC and etc

#52

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aspas didn't make madrid and was still a top 5 duelist in the world during its time

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kalayav_n

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yes but hes made 2/3 int events and was top 3 champs while leading in regions and champs stats?

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Initiator - MASSIVE UPGRADE
Smokes- Slight downgrade but they have different style. TenZ just made zekken a lot better player with how he played, you won't get that with anyone else so in that sense Big downgrade.

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N4rrate >> Sacy
Bang <<<< TenZ

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big upgrade
n4rrate my goat, he wouldve won the 1v1 vs bang

sacy sucks, odin warrior