not many sen fans here huh

station eleven
trust me its beautiful

ofc winning once and falling if is the answer, simply cause the feeling of being number 1 beats anything else.
however i think getting second 5 times is more impressive, each prx player will be remembered more than sylvan or ivy in the long run

boni

https://www.vlr.gg/704999/similarities-in-the-past-5-international-winners/#7
you need to meet all conditions

yea i see what you mean now
personally i think that the sport is more entertaining when there isn’t just one team dominating, but ig it might not affect viewership as much as i think

what im saying is that viewership is better when there are multiple consistent teams, but is worse when theres only one

hating pearl is like hating bread

idc what you say about excuses but half of the team having the flu is gonna affect performance. they clearly did not play like how they played in americas finals. and its not just a coincidence that when they got the flu just so happens to be the first time they go winless in an international. im not saying that they are the #1 favorite to win champs, they would still need some luck and improvement, but the same goes for all of the names i listed.

i think everyone can agree that the g2 we saw in london was not the same g2 we saw in americas grand finals, likely because half the team got the flu. now im not saying g2 deserved to win london or anything, but their performance in london was clearly an exception to their usual results. also being cooked by the schedule is not an excuse, keeping up with the schedule of a circuit is part of winning and if you cant do that then you dont deserve to win.

cause during the fnc dynasty, there were other teams that were still consistent to challenge them a bit (prx, eg, loud), but right now it seems prx is the only consistent team and the other 3 of the top 4 keep rotating out. if the only consistent team is the one winning trophies than it just feels like the entire tournament was a waste of time, cause anyone could have guessed that prx would win.

he has never failed to qualify to an international when in tier 1

i would much rather play fracture than sunset but wtv, the new map at least seems decent to play

if anything id replace G2 with keiko since thats the only guy on the team who seemingly wants to win

say what you want about international chokers or wtv they still have a strong roster and one of the most amounts of high international placements

Idk i think they would have beaten anyone in playoffs besides LEV and PRX, plus they definitely still have room to grow, and if they do grow then they fs have a chance

obv G2 and PRX
MIBR look like theyre starting to get their shit together
VIT just need to improve a bit to be at a trophy winning level
EDG might have been a chance but id say they got a bit lucky at london
FNC with cloud could be scary

honestly i was hoping fnc would be decent but still getting grouped at internationals just so they would drop boaster before stage 2 and people would see how essential of a piece he was

i mean i hope there are three players in the top five players

if nrg had an ounce of aura then it wouldn't have happened
also skuba looks like a 25 year old posing as a 15 year old

my flair is furia cause i lost a bet but im a g2 flair at heart

and the entirity of prx, four times

you already had toronto chill

the best part of nrg winning champs was skuba bonking his head into the trophy

well yea a balanced meta is always their goal, but the best way to get to that is to keep adjusting. every patch should get closer to a balanced meta unless theres major sweeping changes (like the init signature cooldown increase), so reducing the amount and magnitude of balance changes is gonna make that evolution slower.

who do they drop tho?

fascinating
ig net is the new skuba

problem with your third point is that it effects casual play too, no one wants to play a game thats stuck in one meta for an entire year, imagine if we had tejo postplant meta for the entirity of 2025. its not even that much better for pro play anyway cause then people would just say, "oh X team don't deserve their trophy cause they just abused the meta that year." i do think that they shouldn't have meta shifts right before a tournament, like in toronto where the teams who perfected tejo meta qualified, only for tejo to get killed and leave every team besides fnc and prx stranded.

anyway about your the snowball thing, i agree. i think a good idea would be to have the ult orb spawns change based on who's in the lead. if both teams are within 2/3 rounds of eachother then they spawn normally, if attacker team has a lead of 4+ rounds then orbs spawn closer to defender spawn, and if attacker team is down by 4+ rounds then orbs spawn closer to attacker spawn. ults can already act as a comeback mechanic, but at the moment they can be just as much of a snowball mechanic, and i think this change would make them lean more towards a comeback mechanic.

all of them won an offseason event before the season started
all of them before playing a full split together
all of them didn't make the event before they won

i dont think these apply to any team now, unless t1 or ns make a roster change

i dont feel bad, they already got their trophy

the problem i see is that the map ban does nothing when the finalists have similar map pools.

had riot actually done the playoffs draw in a competitive manner and g2 not gotten the flu, it would have been much more interesting. xlg and fut wouldn't have gotten free wins and the bracket wouldn't have been so one sided. (not saying g2 should have won and this was a fluke or anything, just g2 being sick made the tournament lose a competitive team)

id say

1. PRX
2. FNC
3. LOUD
4. EDG
5. OPTIC
6. SEN
7. G2
8. GMB
9. EG
10. NRG

EDIT: btw optic includes envy and g2 includes tgrd

for every international grand final, if i watch it live, the team i root for loses, if i dont watch it live, the team i root for wins
this has been the case for all 12 events since i started watching in champs 22.
today i tried to break it, as i was rooting for lev but knew prx was heavily favored, so i watched the vods after it finished. yet somehow, lev still won.
ig im cursed to never see my favorite team win it all live.

its a latam win cause of latam coach, org, and 2 players, and its a brazil win cause 3 brazil players

sets a new 3.0 kpr record

and they’re the best of emea?
yea emea ain’t never winnibg

nah lev pulls this lower bracket run

yea this is why i’m abandoning vct once deadlock gets actual esports

clearly you’ve never watched the spongebob squarepants movie

they were burnt out after playing the most matches out of any team so far that year

FULL CENTS FIGHTING

idc about the emea team part, but a g2 v prx finals would be the best case scenario

he can't escape his roots

No, theres still 5 matches per group, therefor 10 matches total, just like swiss stage

the seeding idea is kinda stupid cause it can give teams a reason to throw a few rounds or even a map to get a better opponent.

just cause FUT and NRG got a harder matchup doesnt matter, FUT/NRG don't deserve to win the event if they can't beat eachother. you gotta beat the best to be the best, so get over it. if anything, if you're a fan of either of those teams you should be glad this was a matchup, cause having harder opponents makes a masters win more legit.
also, anyone saying they should go back to group stage instead of swiss is braindead. a group stage draw could still put the four better teams in one group and the four worse teams in the other.

id say sen fan stocks will rise soon, rn people are just pissed their team isn't doing good after pretending to be good in 2025, so after a few more months of humbling, it should be fine

they were just a stupid filler team in 2024 when i started watching, and kept on beating the teams i liked and losing to the teams i didnt like

ngl i think babybay deserves to be here