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NRG and G2

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#1
Shawn23

i can’t lie, these 2 teams actually clear the rest. it’s not even close

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catNmouse
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here we go with the NRG hype again

#3
Shawn23
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I think this is much different then last year, that roster was either gonna be insane or horrible depending on ethan igling.

This team has a very good IGL with like 4 carry’s surrounding him. i think this team has a much higher upside then last years team.

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FrenchToast
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nrg playing protect the president with fenis

#8
Aminbg02
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a very good igl who cant shoot back

#17
lollollollol
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Having a very good IGL who can't shoot seemed to make NRG a lot better tbh. And now they have someone who can play all duelists but better, a potential super star initiator player, a good coach and actual time to prep (instead of having to grind 24/7 in the span of 2 weeks before the stage started). On paper, NRG should perform way better next year (at least relative to their old roster).

#18
x_knowitall39_x
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very good igl but 12-5

#31
BUFF163
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no chemistry

#51
seofps
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ethan and s0m do.
s0m and fns do.
s0m fns and ethan have decent amounts.
verno is the goat so he can adapt.
im sure mada will do fine.
we'll see though

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BUFF163
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NRG fans are at it again with their wishful thinking

#5
Congo1
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Surely Zekken narate johnqt core does damage....

Dont underrate sentinels

#10
catNmouse
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Dw bro it’s another year of NRG being overhyped only to fail to meet the expectations people love to set on them

#13
Congo1
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NRg will be good as well. Very likely making champs. Maybe even win americas. But its not a superteam

#15
catNmouse
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FNS just like TH are cursed with second places ever since his masters won so idk

#26
Shawn23
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it’s a 50/50 gotta see how the roles develop between Zekken, N4rrate and Zekken because honestly I think at some point you will see all 3 of them play a recon agent this year….

#28
zoras
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Zekken N4RRATE and zekken bros everywhere

#39
vollizie
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I didn't know Zekken was Yoru

#6
exquisiteFXX
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s0m
ethan
FNS
Verno
Mada/Derke
will be underwhelming if they choose mada

#9
Pinkdice
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It’s Mada… NRG fans will create all the cope threads instead of accept their team is just slightly good
Can’t compare to G2…

#11
alex_lab
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nah bro im ngl, mada is fucking insane

honestly im happy they went with mada, i think either would have been good, but im telling you mada is gonna do damage

#20
Demon1_The_GOAT
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Mada going to LEV though

#21
alex_lab
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https://x.com/anonimotum/status/1840797551143837915

i would trust this guy, hes been very reliable in the past

#22
catNmouse
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anonimotum doesn’t miss

#23
Demon1_The_GOAT
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I guess Juan missed this one

#7
Pengu12
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Sen is strong af too

#12
Ultia
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Sen still look better than NRG tbh.

They don’t have a fragging weak link with minor firepower upgrades in each roles except for consistency issues in Flash/Flex and Smokes. I think Bang can match s0m in the right environment and Zellsis while less consistent than Ethan has some maps where he takes over.

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alex_lab
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bro what is this fucking narrative that all of a sudden nrg will be bad because FNS cant frag

did every single person on this site forget that NRG made top 4 at an international in 2023 with a worse team than this year. FNS always has compensated for his lack of fragging with really good calling

#24
espeon
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u are spitting

#25
Demon1_The_GOAT
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as long as he don't go -20

#34
Ultia
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It doesn’t matter that they made top 4 in 2023 when the competition in 2025 will be much greater. Keep in mind they got eliminated by BLG as well that year. They’ve got two rookies to integrate and a massive firepower deficit — saying FNS will compensate with his igling ignores the fact that every other teams’ IGLs have been improving as well.

Let me list some contenders that could absolutely keep NRG out of the conversation this year. NRG might not even make top 10, even if they manage to qualify for an international.

  • G2
  • SEN
  • LEV
  • TH
  • VIT
  • FNC
  • GENG
  • PRX
  • EDG
  • FPX
#35
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Saying the competition has improved is nullified by two things, 1: the team around FNS is better, everyone on that team is a strong fragger which makes up for the lack of fragging they had from victor and ardiis in 2023, 2: since the beginning of the game, people have been criticising FNS for his lack of fragging, yet every year hes played, his team has been good, so when will you learn?

its also important to remember that until the latter part of 2024 where he had very little time to try and implement his system to a team that had frankly been dogshit all year, his fragging had always been good enough (not great, but good enough). I think you are heavily recency bias if you think his fragging throughout his career is a "massive firepower deficit"

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Every world class team has a strong sentinel to secure their defense sides — something that NRG lacks in every iteration without Yay and Chamber Meta. Sure they might secure themselves in the upper half of the region with great attack side calling but I don’t see them breaking top 3, much less contending in internationals against teams that don’t have any firepower deficits and just as complex strategy.

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alex_lab
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Bro I get it, FNS is a weak fragger, but is it a coincidence that his team was good in 2021, 2022 and 2023, like I get it you’re gonna make excuses for all of those years

2021: the competition wasn’t as good, 2022: he had the best player in the world, 2023: idk what real excuse you could give, I guess he didn’t make it out of groups at champs..

That being said, at one point you gotta start thinking maybe just maybe FNS had something to do with it, but what do i know…

#46
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Oh FNS is a great IGL. But it’s not like he’s significantly better than Valyn, Boo, JohnQT, nobody, Saadhak, or Munchkin. There are just going to be more rounds that he loses for NRG than ones that his IGLing will win because rounds ultimately end with duels. That clip with Starxo burning Rolling Thunder on C after a fake with Ardiis entry just isn’t going to happen against the very best teams.

Against teams with 3+ star fraggers who regularly get multifrags, you’re putting a ton of pressure on your other players to make up for the guy who can’t even trade in high pressure scenarios.

2024: 4 Matches | -47 | -11.75 Avg
2023: 26 Matches | -185 | -7.12 Avg
2022: 40 Matches | -307 | -7.68 Avg
2021: 60 Matches | -112 | -1.87 Avg

2021 includes a number of challenger open qualifiers for each of the three splits that inflated FNS’s stats because of weaker competition. Either way, he’s always been a fragging deficit and I’d wager it’ll only be more apparent next year with every competitor having consolidated top talent. What I noticed while recording the data was that whether he won or loss, he was almost always negative; the variance was whether it was by single or double digits. Think Lakia during Champs — it’ll practically be a 4v5 for NRG against teams who have a firepower surplus against them.

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alex_lab
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Listen I am not arguing whether he is a good fragger or not, he obviously isn’t, BUT, I need you to understand that having good results is what matters, and FNS has been getting good results for longer and more consistently than anyone other than Boaster and Sadhaak.

The point that I am making is that it’s unfair for anyone to say that NRG will struggle because of FNS when he has proven himself many times. FNS has played against johnqt, valyn, and a bunch of other great fragging IGLs in the pas and you know what? He’s beat them all. You’re argument is flawed because you think all these fragging IGLs are somehow new from this year, they are not, they’ve been competing for a long time and FNS has always been able to beat them, until he can’t beat them, he deserves the benefit of the doubt

#55
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You’re missing a crucial part as to why him being a fragging deficit will be highly detrimental to their success.

NRG has a mediocre Defense relative to their Attack. FNS has world class midrounding but is a bad site anchor, resulting in unstable defaults. Yay made up for this with his Chamber during the Optic Era but it’s been a glaring hole in their system since.

FNS hasn’t gotten worse though. The teams around have just gotten better. Let me give you a foil to illustrate this: JohnQT.

Johnqt is obviously a better fragger but he’s also got a higher KAST on the same role. Averaging ~77% on sentinels compared to FNS’s ~67%. That’s 2-3 rounds where he’s contributing impact that FNS is not. Keep in mind that the impact he’s contributing is also more damage than utility — shouldering some of the burden away from his teammates and being self sufficient as an anchor.

These margins seem small but are massive when even the slightly mistake will cost you the round. FNS has beaten some of the other top IGLs in the past but he was heavily relying on his teammates to convert duels that he could not. Strategy means nothing if you can’t convert your 50s — that’s just an ironclad rule of the game.

Beating someone in the past also means very little when you’ve stagnated and they’ve improved alongside a more modern meta. It’s completely fair to say NRG will struggle because they always have, even during Optic — FNS’s fragging was always a sore spot and it cost them rounds all the time. The difference is that competition is more cutthroat now and the best teams will eviscerate you for even the smallest hint of a whiff.

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alex_lab
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your point is good but again doesnt look at the full picture. although its true that as a sole anchor, FNS lack of firepower would be a glaring issue, BUT its important to remember that yay didnt fully make up for it, he wasnt a typical site anchor, he was setup on most rounds, he was use like a jett on defence on Ascent. He was setup aggressively to take shots and TP away, the same as a jett would. it also then resulted in having your smokes player as an anchor, hence, s0m. s0m on smokes can be just as good of an anchor as any sentinel, just think of s0m around yellow on icebox. Multiple setups on many maps dont require the sentinel player to be the anchor, icebox is one example, but on abyss and pearl, a lot of the sentinel setups can be on mid to watch to lurk spots.

ALSO, you are missing the biggest part of the current meta, as well as the direction the game is heading towards. The game is heavily retake heavy. How many times do you see cyphers playing of the site on Sunset or split or lotus. it is not that difficult for them to adjust their setups to have their smokes player be the anchor like many others do, and keep their sentinel players more passive and info gathering heavy

I will also keep saying this, you are certainly not the first to say that his fragging was gonna be a problem, for the past 4 years, people have said this exact thing, for the past 4 years people like you have also said that the competition was going to get too much for FNS to handle. For the pas 4 years, people saying this have been wrong, the last full year of competition FNS had was very good. He qualified to every international events as well as getting top 4 in one of them.

ive said this before, ill say it again, one day the doubters, like you, will be right, but until that happens, FNS deserves the respect he built over the years. Maybe this year will be the year where you are right, but just tell yourself that it will have taken 4 YEARS for people like you to FINALLY be right

#52
Tadpole3
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Just because FNS has "decent firepower" doesn't mean he's out-IGLing the IGLs of numerous better teams (who ALSO have fragging IGLs).
"FNS didn't have time in stage 2" but they had the same Coach/Assistant coach as kickoff and Stage 1 and kept 3/5 of the same players Viktor, Ethan (ex stage 1 IGL), Crashies. Next year the other IGLs will have been in their team even longer than FNS in NRG.
edit: Also SEN G2 LEV 100T are all keeping their head coach, NRG will also have to adjust to Bonkar

#54
alex_lab
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Bro what are your exemples of better IGLs with better firepower? Johnqt? Valyn? Munchkin? FNS HAS BEAT THEM ALL

Let’s not sit here and act like these people came out of nowhere in the last year, he’s beat them all, he at the very least deserves the benefit of the doubt, and if this team ends up being shit, then I guess you will have been right, but until then, FNS is still should be considered better.

Also, yes last year he didn’t have enough time, do you think it a coincidence that he left the Victor/crashies duo at the beginning of the year? He knew that core had reached its peak and that he needed a different team to succeed

#36
catNmouse
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PRX??

#41
Ultia
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Apparently Jingg has been learning sentinels so their roles are fixed for default heavy maps. Something has also been practicing Recon so that helps with their information deficit leading to more flexible playstyles instead of just W gaming. It should be a good year since 2024 served as a good wake up call.

#42
catNmouse
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They will crumble in those maps without an IGL sadly

#44
Ultia
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Maybe against top tier teams but their firepower places them firmly in top 2/3 in APAC which will get them into internationals where they usually make playoffs. I hope they really put in effort to make David their IGL though and rein in the inting.

#14
derptz
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In what world mada became consistent duelist?
Bro is like Asuna 2.0 where he popped up and flopped.
Sentinels and new rumored 100T currently clears G2 and NRG. This meta won’t favored for Ethan who plays breach/kayo/skye

#16
catNmouse
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Nah G2 is good, they play a lot of double controller and having split and pearl back will greatly benefit them

#29
nobody___100
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blud said sen clears g2
sen couldn't even clear g2 this year and they had a two-time masters winner and the only player to win both champs and masters

#38
Ryuma09
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Only lost to g2 once this year btw

#47
Tadpole3
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? are you ill. G2 already beat SEN once with neT in February kickoff

#49
logistics101
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Well Sen did won that by losing that match , plus they stop trying , should had seen the split map it was like a fever dream.

#48
Tadpole3
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G2 just got an upgrade and you're saying SEN with Tenz's replacement Bang will beat them lol?
SEN with Tenz/Sacy in 2024 met the worse G2 with neT/Icy twice and lost to them both times even on SEN's best map Split.

100T after losing 0-2 to G2 in Stage 2 Playoffs (with Bang top fragging and Asuna bottom fragging btw) said on their podcast that if they were to face G2 again they would still lose. Apparently you're saying replacing Bang with Zander will help 100T "clear" an upgrade G2 with Jawgemo?

#27
TheAceGamer30
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There we go with the NRG hype , they always hyped up to be goats but they turn out to be awful and also g2 are known chokers so I can’t trust them either

#30
catNmouse
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us too bro don’t forget sen didn’t make shanghai because of the infamous 10-2

#32
Azzelastia
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People are sleeping on EG

#33
Demon1_The_GOAT
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No Jawgemo, who EG going to have? Koalanoob? I wish they can atleast take Skuba and Nismo or something. Or even Flor lol

#37
bees
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Real talk have there been any leaks or confirmed changes? I swear I've heard literally nothing

#40
LordItachi
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Everyone saying same shit about NRG since last 2 years. And G2 will never make champs without Icy.

#58
BLuko
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NRG putting together a solid roster that can be top 5. G2 does look insane tho.

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