Chronicle/TenZ

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ButterflyEffect23

Whom do you rate higher as a player and which legacy is better, in your opinion?

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how is TenZ even close to Chronicle tf??

Finals:
Chronicle 4 > TenZ 2

Champions Finals:
Chronicle 1 > TenZ 0

Trophies:
Chronicle 3 > TenZ 2

2021:
Chronicle > TenZ

2022:
Chronicle > TenZ

2023:
Chronicle > TenZ

2024:
TenZ > Chronicle (for now. I think Chronicle will prob be better by end of Champions)

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2022 Chronicle and the whole tail end of Gambit/M3C is criminally underrated.
Gambit were still great, they were super unlucky at the time, them losing to 0.02 defuse was so crazy

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sometimes i wish gambit won instead of acend 😭

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real

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Wouldn't have changed the situation for the gambit boys though, sadly.

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Gambit deserved it more

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ascend should not have won 2021 imop

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there was that one silly and embarassing brim stim beacon by Chronicle in 2022 (but that doesnt matter).

2022 was a year in which there were 6-7 good EMEA teams (unlike NA, BR, and LATAM (all 1 team regions)). also rus-ukr war led to more outside factors affecting gambit and so they just couldnt qualify, being 1 game away in every split of the year.

M3C also had the game of the year in 2022 (FNC vs M3C). dont think you can tell me otherwise considering how fun the Fracture (Map 1) and Split (Map 3) were.

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Chronicle would need to win champs to be better this year, Tenz has consistently performed better then chronicle so far and still is

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If he wins champs he the goat no doubt

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for now. I think Chronicle will prob be better by end of Champions

he will need to win champs to be better than tenz, you fnc fans are delusional lmao

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heavensentsaint

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crazy how f0rs0k0n has the same amt of trophies as SkRossi 😭😭

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f0rsaken never lost 1-13 (especially not to fut) and your daddy did, just remember that

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yeah he just lost every grand final he’s been in unlike aspas kkkkkkkkk

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f0rsaken got 0-12ed by fnatic, pipe down XD

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12-0d? listen to yourself 😂

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https://www.vlr.gg/34959/paper-rex-vs-supermassive-blaze-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-elimination-a/?game=50227&tab=overview
he lost 2-13 against smb (far worse side than fut)but ok lol

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BulkyLettuce

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thats double the rounds aspas got vs fut 😂 😂 😂 😂 1-13

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SMB :skull:

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shhhhhhh

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The difference is chronicle always had a good team and may be a superteam and he wasn't often the best player on that superteam. For tenz it's a lot different. SEN was an absolute mess for majority of '22 and 23.

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buddy
ik you have a different perspective of Chronicle since he isnt as crazy with his aim as he was in 2021 (and u created ur vlr account in 2022, so i assume u didnt watch in 2021), but he was the best player on Gambit in champs 21 and he was INSANE

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chron
did it across 2 diff lang and completely diff teams and 2 of those trophies were b2b

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Chronicle was top 2-top 3 player in 2021 while TenZ was 4th. TenZ has not been a better player in any year for the overall year success/performance (he might be in 2024 tho. But Chronicle is on the rise-up rn)

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You can technically have the different team argument for TenZ

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sentinelmain377

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ye
TenZ ShahZaM Dapr Zombs SicK
is completely different from
TenZ Johnqt Sacy Zellsis Zekken

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Doesn't this argument apply for chronicle too?

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sentinelmain377

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yup. im just correcting him by saying TenZ also had 2 different teams
im supporting that Chronicle is way better btw and that TenZ isnt even close to Chronicle.

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true

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tonz is nowhere near CHRONICLE level. Only delusional SENTINELS FAN think that

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wo0t is about to surpass those two noobs soon.

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ButterflyEffect23

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please be respectful to Chronicle.

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sussybaka

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no, i am not going to respect a player just because people think that player deserves to be respected. i am still observing rn 🤓🤓🤓

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Turkish bias is crazy

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Chronicle and by far

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LouBag

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tenz was undoubtedly the best in the world BY FAR for a time.

Chron never was.

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Chronicle was way more consistent tho. 2022-2023 TenZ was not that good

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TenZ was the best player in the world during two events in 2021.After that bro had dogshit consistency issues for two years, until the most recent iteration of Sentinels.

Chron was just regarded and still is as the best flex in the world, since his days on Gambit. But you know, the two events where TenZ did good trumps 3 full years of consistency by chronicle.

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Chronicle isn't even top 3 best player on his own team, i dont wanna say he got carried on fnc but sen need tenz more than fnc need chronicle for their teams success

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If fnatic lose chronicle, they wouldn't be as successful as they are. He's the best fill player in the world, by far. He's the reason everyone else on fnatic plays their comfort picks on their comfort maps.

Sen need Tenz because they have sacy and zellsis who are so inconsistent in their play,. that they need some form of consistency, and only Zekken and johnqt aren't enough.

I'd argue chronicle is the best overall player on the team behind Alfa.
Leo can only play initiator, and at that he's world class on two of them (sova fade), and top10 for the rest (gekko, breach) He also doesn't play kayo or skye, leaving chronicle to play them
Derke who has awful lows, but strong highs. Bro has had rough consistency issues the past year.
Alfa is the only player I'd 100% rate above chronicle. Flexes roles, and has great mechanical skill.

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TenZ

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Pengu12

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All time: Chronicle
Peak: TenZ
Current: TenZ

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lelouch526

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NEVER UNDERSTAND THE TENZ HYPE
JUST ABUSES JETT IN 2021 ICELAND
AFTER THAT HE FELL DIDNT ANY MASTERS AND CHAMPS FOR 2 YEARS

ALSO NO HUGE IMPACT IN MADRID LIKE WOOT DID IN SHANGHAI

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shaaidem

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jett was available for the rest of the players too, still no one was as good as him, all time chron is better but peak tenz was another level

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lelouch526

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Then what happen in 2022 and 2023?
he also not a mvp in madrid

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Jett nerfs

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BulkyLettuce

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Chronicle isn't even the top 3 best player on his own team

TenZ is a better player and Chronicle is more decorated

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blind take

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BulkyLettuce

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am i wrong? are there not 3 other players that are clearly better than him on his own team? hes only better than boaster (which isnt an achievement)

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cohnr

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if you look deeper than the stats you see when you look him up, he has the best util usage on fnatic and does it consistently across half the roster

easily second or best player on fnatic rn

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BulkyLettuce

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I watch the games, alfajer, derke, hiro, leo are all better than him

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all the SEN fans 🙄😷

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i did mention TenZ so..

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b0tster

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chronicle is arguably the second best player of all time after aspas

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where do you have TenZ?

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Chronicle my beloved

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chronicle he is more versatile

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Tenz is currently the better player but Chron's legacy is more impressive

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agreed

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Chronicle overall but Tenz as of recently

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chron fs no questions

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both top 3 all time, chronicle 1 or 2 in mine and tenz is 2 or 3 so id say chronicle

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you rate TenZ over Aspas?

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nah aspas might be 1st. those 3 are my top 3

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valid i think

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TenZ in top 3?????????

wtf are u smoking??

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best tournament ever (undefeated on maps and highest rating while winning)
was great from the start of valorant until now, not many players like that except for maybe derke and lakia. derke choked gf tho and lakia is not near top 5 levels of performance.
won only 2 tourneys but them being in 2021 and 2024 means a lot, also on different roles in different rosters
some of the best reaction time ive ever seen

at least top 5 resume idc

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both are pretty ass but i gotta give the edge to chronicle

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Legacy wise no player reached Chronicle yet, since he is the only player in the world with 3 won majors.

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chr0nicle?

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Chronicle is a legend but lets be real, Tenz clears.

Chronicle was never the best player on any of his winning teams, nor ever the best player in the world.

He was 2nd best on Gambit (it was Nats' team)

He was 3rd best on Fnatic (Leo and Alfa clearly the top 2)

and he has a history of dropping the ball in big games, notably in his last two international performances

-22 overall, 0.57 Final Map in Champs elimination match:
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3/?game=all&tab=overview

The infamous Pi match vs Fut to end FNC's shanghai run:
https://www.vlr.gg/348468/fut-esports-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-lr1/?game=170800&tab=overview
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Tenz has been the best player in the world - by a distance that will probably never be matched and was 2nd best in his next run.

1st on SEN original, obviously
2nd on current SEN (Johnqt is a great player and can be argued here, but most of the time Tenz is a bit better, for example, see: https://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf/?game=all&tab=overview, and even if you put him 3rd, thats a still a higher average than Chron)

They both have 2 Masters Trophies, so they are equally decorated.

If you wanna say Chronicle 3 because of Lock-in, I will laugh at you, and remind you that the universe broke that mickey mouse trophy for a reason.

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Lock/In is Mickey but Reykjavik 21 isn't?

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Yes, a Masters event with a qualification system and a double elim > a preseason, single elim, showcase tourney

lmfao and its so obvious too god people on vlr are so dumb

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ButterflyEffect23

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you're calling an official VCT Tournament "Mickey" when it had a 100 times higher level of play and competition than Reykjavik

meanwhile Reykjavik 21 had the worst ever level of play in history of the game and its not "Mickey" because there was a Qualifier

TenZ farmed plumbers when the game was raw, and the 80% of opposing teams were underdeveloped

conclusion - you might be retarded. don't bother replying.

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Yuh_aye

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you really can't come up with a reason why reykavic doesnt count other than
"hurr durr teams get better over time so earlier events never happened"

Pretty embarrassing, but expected from someone who thinks Lock-In > a real, international masters event

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every team at lock in could win reykjavik easily
reykjavik was barely more than radiant 10mans

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Yuh_aye

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EVERY TEAM AT LOCK IN WOULD WIN BERLIN EASILY TOO.
AND CHAMPS 21.
AND PROBABLY EVERYTHING UP TO COPENHAGEN.
DO YOU GUYS SEE THE HOOPS YOU'RE JUMPING THROUGH LMAO
JUST BECAUSE A GAME DEVELOPS DOESNT MEAN PAST EVENTS DON'T COUNT
DO KOBE,MAGIC,JORDAN,BIRD, AND ALL THE OTHER GREATS HAVE NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS BECAUSE THEY GOT THEM BEFORE THE 3PT REVOLUTION???

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nah gambit runs a slow default around their asses and yay drops 150 its completely different

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you can't even read, you're slow as fuck for real

Reykjavik 21 was a team deathmatch radiant lobby, the Mickiest event ever

still counts as a masters win, just the least valuable ever

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if Reykjavik 21 is mickey then berlin 21 is just as mickey, stop picking and choosing

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Berlin was marginally better than Reykjavik
if LOCK/IN is Mickey, so is Reykjavik

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i think you missed their point, single elim makes it a mickey since every other vct event never was a single elim

also if 2021 Reykjavik is a mickey then so is all of 2021, stop picking and choosing

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Reykjavik 2021 is the mickiest of all the mickeys. If we're being real, tenz only has 1 Masters win. Reykjavik is not a Masters and it never will be

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berlin was the same, if u are discounting Reykjavik then emea dont have a champs either

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Berlin was better than Reykjavik in the level of play
not by much tho

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If level of play is what matters then only GENG has a trophy, cuz the level of play was lower in all previous events right? Glad you realize how stupid that is

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And lets take it even further, since we're doing "level of play" schenanigans. SEN Madrid was at a much higher level of play than Berlin or Tokyo (one of the reasons Fnatic got smacked in kickoff was because they didnt innovate- same comps, strats etc) so by ur own reasoning, Tenz > Chronicle. Im glad you finally accepted the truth!

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youre fucking stupid, prime EG or Fnatic slap SEN and GENG anyday

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Prime EG i'll give you but you seem to deny that teams now are generally better than teams then.

https://clips.twitch.tv/FamousSullenTarsierSmoocherZ-uPMMAkW8au1_noXw

Jingg on SEN's form during scrims vs them during champs (when they first got Johnqt). SEN would go onto dominate the offseason - beating PRX with jingg who got 2nd at champs - and then of course do what they did at Madrid.

and before the bitching starts read the following:
https://crk.umn.edu/library/primary-secondary-and-tertiary-sources#:~:text=These%20classifications%20are%20based%20on,which%20is%20considered%20second%20hand.

This clip is a primary source, you are not.

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The fact that you believe that they would win champs XD

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jingg, the 2nd place at champs believed it

jingg knows valorant better than any of us

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If anyone could predict who wins the tournament then there would be no point in competing smartass

continue thread →

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you

Someone didn't do the assigned reading

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Yuh_aye

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Yo fun fact the full name of Reykjavik 2021 is Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Reykjavík

I made the' Masters' bold so you could see it better. Did it help? lmk.

also the full name of Lock in was : Champions Tour 2023: LOCK//IN São Paulo

so actually you have it exactly in reverse.

Hope that cleared things up for you!

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/1439/masters-pro-league-season-3

This event also has the word Masters in it! I guess that means Onyx Ravens are Masters winners!

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wow you really got me good there !!!!

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Yeah I did which is why you have no argument left 🤡

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even still, Tenz has exactly as many masters trophies as Chronicle, its just that he was comparatively better when he got his.

Tenz > Chronicle

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Tenz was statistically one of the worst players in 2023, and in that same year Chronicle won back to back trophies. Get off his meat bruh

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Yuh_aye

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1658/champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1189/champions-tour-2023-americas-league

0.93 and 1.03 yeah these are really some redgar numbers huh? 🤡🤡🤡
Especially considering SEN was surrounding him with elite talent such as Shroud and Dephh.

and in that same year Chronicle won back to back trophies

and in the same VCT Season (2024) Tenz won a trophy, Chronicle has 0 wins at LAN and PI'd in an elimination game vs FUT.

BTW here's a drawing of Chronicle's back to back trophies:
🐁 🏆

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T0nz lolz

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Its not even close

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how is this a question 😭😭😭 chron 2024 clears tenz entire career

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chronicle has more finals appearances, trophies, has been on two of the greatest teams of all time, and consistently was a top player in his role
where was t0nz 2022-23?

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TenZ's peak lasted two events, I think?

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It’s TenZ and it isn’t close

He was the first face of Valorant, the first best in the world.

He is the only one of these players to stand the test of time, and both of his trophies were legitimate.

His slump was shorter than Chronicles, he role swapped successfully, and his net worth dwarfs the EMEA bum

And most importantly, he’s never played with bumster

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you're acting like Chronicle is washed bro

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Yes 👍

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He had been till like 2 months ago to be fair. This is since champs 2021 btw

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TenZ cause he was the best or second best on his team for both of his trophies compared to 3rd (Berlin) and 4th (lock in and Tokyo) and TenZ is just way more consistent

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???
buddy.
you do know the top 20 players of 2021 for whole year performance right?

2021:

GMB nAts
GMB Chronicle
ACE cNed
SEN TenZ
TL ScreaM
FNATIC Derke
ENVY Yay
GMB Sheydos
G2 Nukkye
ACE Zeek
SEN ShahZaM
SEN SicK
ENVY Crashies
VK heat
100T HiKo
KRU Keznit
VKS Sacy
G2 Keloqz
VS MaKo
C9 Leaf

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Im not a big fan of tenz but ngl I stil think its tenz.
He was the first and biggest face of valorant. The very first one at an international to mark him name in the most dominant way and not even dropping a single map. Yes while chronicle has been doing well, he just cant match the style of tenz even with the trophies. Additionally, Tenz was the first one to really have clean aimstyle and know for his flashy plays. How many clips of chronicle remember? What type of shooting is he like? Cant remember much(might be NA bias, especially since I dont watch a lot of EMEA). When we think about Tenz, we think about red reaver vandal, blue crosshair(maybe), and flashy/flicky clips. Not to mention Tenz was the one who inspired many people into esports. All only knew about Valorant esports through Tenz and his time on sentinels(as a 100t fan, u could see how we argue a lot). Also, Tenz has a much bigger fanbase, just compare chronicles stream and Tenz’s, not only does Tenz have way more Chronicle, hes on a much more clouted team.
Now heres another part
masters 172, champs 2023, masters tokyo 2023 236, lock in 202, champs 2021 236 masters berlin 222
The number stands for acs, with the highest being at Tokyo.
While you might say stats dont show everything, no one is actually going to look at how impactful because lets be honest, duelist players r always the most popular. The one fragging is the one we have in our mind. Tenz finishes his first masters with 289 acs, so while chronicle might be a really impactful player, he wont be the face of valorant or have a legacy as big as Tenz. This applies to all sports
Soccer: messi and renaldo
Basketball: curry, lebron, jordan
What do they have in common? They r all the spearhead of their team, the ones making the most goals or basket.
This is just my analysis 😊