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"format sucks"

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#1
uwukitten

people just love yapping about the format when it's completely fine in this case

common arguments:
"my team gets to play hard teams while kru gets to go through by beating mibr and furia" 😢
if your team can't beat 2/6 teams to make it through then they're not even top 6 and shouldn't make it to playoffs + your team is one of the shit teams kru beat (kru is just an example)

"my team is on 4 wins and might still not qualify" 😡
if your team is on 4 wins and still can't qualify then they were still simply outperformed by other teams on both groups?? so what if your team got 4 wins, others also got it. the number of wins necessary is always relative, it doesn't matter if you have 4 wins or 40 wins if there's other teams above you

edit: I didn't know the record is carried over to split 2, yeah that's stupid. I think it would be fine if the record isn't carried over

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Cromawarrior48
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who said that

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goofyahh1447
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j0hnqt

#3
MeAngryNotHappy
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Nah format sucks

#4
Realm3098
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No format can save dfm bro

#6
MeAngryNotHappy
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Dfm sucks

#5
simo98
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I remember in 2023 people complaint format suck because got map diff and round diff (in america league if I remember).
I mean it's competitive after all bro, what u need it's win, even kru from 0-9 goes to champ.
Ur team just suck after all

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EverSince333
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format sucks cz GE boutta qualify with 2-4 record while someone in omega gon miss out going 3-2

#8
simo98
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That will be zeta and RRQ fault cannot win the match

#9
uwukitten
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those teams lost to the top 2-3 of alpha group? and they performed worse than the top 3 in their group, why should they qualify if they're not top 6?

#10
lez
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ZETA could beat the bottom 3 in alpha and still not qualify. That's why this format is flawed

#12
simo98
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How do u know zeta can beat T1
The match not even started tho ?

#13
Conceit
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What. This is Valorant, any team can beat any team on a day. Considering all the upsets we've seen, Zeta beating T1 is not crazy lmao

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simo98
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Yeah I know but we still don't know the result
It's same as GE vs RRQ before and t1 vs RRQ

#16
lez
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I'm not saying they will beat T1. I'm saying even if they beat T1, they might not qualify.

And if they do beat T1, they are better then the bottom 3 alpha no? So why would GE qualify over them?

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simo98
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They still can win (qualified) it's just depends how serious they are right now
TS vs talon still have another situation right now too

#20
lez
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It doesn't matter how serious ZETA is cause even if they win its not in their control. They need TLN to lose so they can get a better map/round diff.

But the main point is ZETA andTLN should be qualifying over GE if they win their games. Of course all this doesn't matter if T1 wins

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simo98
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It will same case as RRQ right now
Also it's same situation as Americas 2023 100t and sentinel problem
All of u must Do is do ur best to win taking map and round advantage

#17
uwukitten
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fair but I think it's a small issue

#29
lez
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Disagree, making playoffs means more games to be played = more points to be earned, which all leads to qualifying for Champs. Its a pretty big issue

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Mortadelo
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I'm fine with this split format, problem is next split continues with the record teams have now. Which means there are a couple teams rn that are literally done for the year

#32
ayayaay
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where the sauce for this

#33
Mortadelo
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Haven't looked if Riot has made it public I imagine so, but I know it from the teams, heard it from many people. Most official source would be KOI's owner

#34
ayayaay
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tjought it was just the championship points, and they all start fresh

#35
Mortadelo
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Nope, they pick it up where they left. It's kind of like 1 split instead of 2 just with a masters in between

#14
babybob
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But you are basically out for the rest of the year if you're KOI even if you add prime Demon1 prime Sayf prime Chronicle prime Starxo and prime Jamppi on your team in the second split

#15
bronzil_enjoyer
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uwu

#21
Dybala21
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Riot should've kept the previous year format for all regions

#23
zesryful_
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uwukitten

#24
dual000
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LOSERS always yapping
Fans of top team in each group won't say that

#25
Agx192
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Ain't reading allat the group stages are fine but playoffs first round is a single elim that's why it sucks

#28
uwukitten
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I understand shitRX are inconsistent so you're worried they'll be eliminated right away 😢

#31
Agx192
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Ok

#26
cocoluna
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This format sucks now Tyloo prob won’t make it to Shanghai brub

#27
AlexSMTx
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Okay Leo Faria it's time you get off your alt. Format is bad, just accept it buddy

#30
Hyssopus1
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format is good, if your team cant qualify they are just bad.

#36
Anguibok
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I agree it's not THAT bad that people think, the format got really some great idea, the Stage 1 / Stage 2 was a really elegant solution for make a single round robin and a master in the middle, every game in stage 1 count for the whole year and thats really nice, (Compared to LoL where the spring doesnt count that mush), and the fact stage 2 is a full round-robin is totally fair.

But format has some problem that Riot can solve next year, the fact it's possible to not go to to master after doing 5-1 is a problem, sure other team performed better, but a distant fight is less entertaining, and less fair than a direct fight, maybe your only loss was just be for calendar reason (you get beaten by a team that was trash early in the tournament but litterally explodes at the end, and sadly you played them last), but that could be easily solve by starting with intra group first. Kickoff format was also a huge joke.

By dream format for the future would be :

  • 16 teams
  • Kickoff easy to do with 16 teams : It could be either doble elim bracket or swiss round, where the team that win 4 games in a row got to master, while the 4 team that end in 3-1 go in a bracket.
  • Stage 1 with 2 group of 8 intra group, so basically the same format than 2022 Split 1 and 2
  • Stage 2 complete the round-robin
  • 2 last non franchised team get relegated (Or have to participate in a playoff tournament)

With that kind of format, you can even consider relegate non-franchised team at the end of every T2 tournament

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