was NA challengers viewership always this low?

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NneonZz

i swear games would average 15kish views last year or am i going insane?

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def insane lol

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michaelisupset

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doesn’t help that tarik isn’t doing watch parties anymore

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no shahzam no views

(but fr no hype, i havent watched a single challengers game this szn cause i dont care about any of the teams)

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It probably is lower bc prior there were more notable orgs involved then. Also toast used to bring in views, that was the only reason why I really watch prior to the ascension tourney.

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Brimstan

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no one wants to watch t500 gameplay

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beaver_man

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No one even watches tier 1 Emea lmao don’t know why you’re yapping

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Brimstan

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NA filled with soyboy clout teams, all bark no bite

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https://www.vlr.gg/312798/sentinels-vs-karmine-corp-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r2
https://www.vlr.gg/312768/sentinels-vs-team-heretics-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r1

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sentinelmain377

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Beat an emea team (th) with a sub 2-1 while also being -2 in rounds

Struggling against teams with subs
Sen so bad

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Hyopic

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sub is the one that qualified do not sleep on the goat patitek

also fam SEN's IGL started ramadan a few days or a week before this im pretty sure lol, allg tho im jus fucking around

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Lucrix

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im p sure he broke his fast...

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Brimstan

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Classic lack of commitment from fraudqt. Another reason why sentinels will fade into obscurity

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dogecoin

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you know you can break eat after the sun goes down or after the sunset (depends on shia or sunni)

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Brimstan

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obv, they aren't gonna starve for a month

also ramadan is over

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Hyopic

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yeah, during the 3rd map lol

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Brimstan

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Sen lucky emea sent in their b teams

Congrats to sentinels form winning a meaningless Mickey Mouse trophy

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Conceit

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Maybe the "A" teams should have won then 😔 😔 😔

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Brimstan

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Why would they try for a Mickey Mouse tourney? You legit give free vids and strats while getting 0 points unless you win

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Hyopic

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not many strats for NAVI or FNC to give no?

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Brimstan

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We dont need strats to beat reigonal teams, we're saving for 2028 chmps mumbai

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Hyopic

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ong ange1 is scripting out the entirety of champs 2042 for the next NAVI team (he will have passed of old age by then), every round scripted to the second. Masterclass in igling

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your "A" teams is struggling against giants lol stop yapping

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germannils

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Also DSG brought a lot of hype with tarik watching the games. There was just a lot more hype around it due to it being new and also being the first time the winner getting a slot in franchise.

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i know everyone complains about having low viewers n all but are there any other games that get good views for T2

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koromast

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vcl japan gets like 10k for regular league games and 50k on playoffs with a lot of jp streamers watch party-ing

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Woue_

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they're 70k average 230k peak

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koromast

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oh im lost then LMAO

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dylak

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i meant for NA i shoulda clarified

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Woue_

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league got very good views in europe tier 2, even in val japan, france get good numbers

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A regular main stage japanese game gets 4x more viewers than emea games

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koromast

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no one wants to watch twt vs yfp, some years ago on vcl na you had sen vs 100t or c9 vs lg (way more interesting even tho the gameplay wasnt much better or any better)

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J0zza

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because that was the main league, challengers in the past is the presents franchising leagues

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koromast

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yeah but actually last year it had way more views because they still had faze guard g2, shopify and moist were separate orgs and disguised which was a streamer org with yay, now they dont have much to sustain tier 2´s viewership other than mxs oxg and m80 tbh

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BrotherMan

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I miss the yaboidre thief aproto LG days

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beaver_man

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No point watching some of these games when everyone knows m80, oxg, and Mxs will be top 3. Just fast forward to playoffs

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Agx192

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Turtle troops owns m80 tho

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Danny

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turtle troop lost to Winthrop University💀

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Agx192

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Don't doubt me or wedid the goat ever again

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Danny

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Noted

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GreedyFishFucker

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its cause none of the games rn matter. just wait till the middle and end of the year

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Tooker

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No one really cares about T2, just an unfortunate truth. DSG, TGRD, and M80 were probably solo-carrying NA viewership last year. Now there's only 1 left, and it's probably the team with the least fans of the 3.

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KyLZi

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no struggling Yay on a trainwreck org is defs affecting viewership

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wowowooww

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no teams r just so bad this yr

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BairyHalls

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NO dsg no clout

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TM06Nick

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no tarik, toast or shahzam. only Ludwig watches and he only watches MxS. Charlie (penguinz0/MoistCritikal) doesnt even watch MxS with Lud this year. Also most of the teams this year are orgless/small orgs with the only big ones being m80 MxS OXG and TSM

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i only watched last year cause of dsg, steel and yay

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Same

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Astar

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its going to be like this for a long time
just like how franchising destroyed league

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BoDork

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First time?

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Mortadelo

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they def don't know what low viewership is do they