Players who IMPROVED

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saebr

which players have actually improved? sometimes it feels like when a mid player enters the league they stay mid, and when a star rookie joins they usually end up being pretty good. why is this? am i just dumb? shouldn't it be easy to improve? especially with all the resources they receive from their org (like coaching and facilities) on top of being salaried to do so.

only players i can think of are t3xture (i didn't watch ge so maybe he didn't actually improve but just achieves his potential now on a better team?) maybe aspas (because he was overshadowed by his teammates in 2022 mainly, but got a lot more spotlight in 2023-2024)

mainly talking about players who improved while in T1, not better from their time in T2 you know

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Carpe

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True, he once dropped an ace on pearl at a international event!

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c0m

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Literally, the biggest bum, glorified blameF of Valorant lmao

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Yistyy

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c0m won a champions.

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Kiles won champions too

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Yistyy

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c0m won it as one of the top players

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Kiles too, won it as one of the top players

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?

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/449/valorant-champions-2021

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BEHEMOTH

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Thanks. As you can see he won it as a top player

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thats a CRAZYYYYYYYY stretch
He ranked outside the top 20 and the only EG player worse than him was boostio who was igling

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The double patty burger has blurred his vision, blud thinks glorified blameF is a top player lmao

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Yistyy

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still, c0m had top tier utility usage and lurks. back in 2021 kiles was a walking ult orb and provided 0 value whatsoever.

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LocoMonteiro

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not true, blamef baits like crazy but has good stats, c0m baits like crazy and has mediocre stats

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BEHEMOTH

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I knew I typed something wrong today, thanks for pointing it out man.

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as much as I dislike him, boaster's mechanics are better now

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agree

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mada? I don't think we've seen any "real" improvements, just players who used to be a bit shaky stabilizing

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saebr

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i did hear that as well, that mada wasn't as good earlier into his career. though inconsistent -> consistent is a very very good improvement

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Zellsis 💀💀💀

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saebr

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ngl zellsis has impressed me recently but is it wrong to think that he was never that bad?

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I wouldn't say he was bad i just think he wasn't the best and he got better

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Kicks
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jawgemo T1 Izu munchkin

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maybe aspas (because he was overshadowed by his teammates in 2022 mainly

where did you get this idea? Aspas was always perceived as the best LOUD player by both the community and his teammates

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saebr

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tbh wasnt big on val esports in 2022 but i thought the discussion was between him and less for best loud player? and best loud player to being perceived as best itw is a pretty nice upgrade i'd say

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Aspas was arguably LOUD's best player in 2022. The only time the dispute was between him and Less was in 2023, not 2022.

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saebr

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ah sorry

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alienista1

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No problem, this is a very common mistake to make.

After all, there’s this narrative that Aspas wasn’t even the best player on LOUD 22, where people use the Champions stats as "proof."

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i thought sacy and pancada weree better

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If we're going all the way back into 2022, then I would say mada. He was a solid player back then, but last year and especially at kickoff something clicked and now he is one of the elite players in NA now. But i guess technically he is a rookie since this is his first year in partnerships.

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every EG player pre-2023

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Miquele

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Could be KK, he was known as a opper abuser and his aim in that time was kind mid. Now a days he is a complete duelist player.

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T3xture, from GE player to masters champion

Zellsis as others have said

The entire EDG roster last year

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snowconedeity

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honestly Keiko went from a mid duelist (despite one rly good game) and now looks like one of the strongest smoke players rn. In addition Zellsis grew more as a caller although he was always solid back on V1. I think some players like Boostio and Jawgemo rly improved from the old EG core who before 2023 was only middling at best (besides their one win vs Optic). I also think mada improved since LG

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Keiko is a really good shout actually. i know he was hyped up at one point but unfortunately kind of faded away. now he's definitely living up to his previous hype. good call!

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ethan went from being a 100t reject to a world champion thats probs the best comeback anyone could ever have

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HenbabyH he’s putting up insane numbers right now and was easily best duelist at kickoff

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Kicks ofc

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column1

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I feel like chichoo and nobody improved a lot since their initial debuts. 2023 to 2024 tenz improved a lot. Cauanzon has been constantly getting better. Munchkin had a huge improvement last year. For 2025 Keiko if he keeps up his kickoff form, and Dgzin if you count him (2023 he was not this good but he spent 2024 in t2).

I think it’s because the level of pros is generally close than it looks and it’s a lot harder for a player to suddenly jump up in skill level when everyone is constantly improving. The biggest jumps in my opinion are when good players change their roles and look more comfortable. Also I think t2 emphasizes individual improvement where as t1 looks at good individuals to improve their team play.

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Anybody on EDG (unbiased). It's super clear if you watched them play earlier on in 2022 and start of 2023 before tokyo. 4/5 of them went from being disregarded to being considered top 3 or 5 in their roles in the world.

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Trexx I would say he has become to one of best players in emea currently his career hasn’t been great with the likes of guild and koi timeline but ever since he has came to VIT the stocks has been rising upwards and is the third successor after Leo and sayf

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kicks
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keiko

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H3ENnZ

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s1mon in firepower