bang benched from TSM*

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waiting for explanation on how a sova main sinatraa can replace our smokes player bang while our sova main levi is still on the team…

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Levi isn’t signed

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Yes, but wait until levi is released from trial before spamming sinatraa. not when bang is released, makes zero sense.

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bro he did better than half of tsm no cap.

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u saying as if smokes player are some special breed and very hard to learn lmao

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Subroza can play smoke too tho

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It going to be Subroza or hazed on smokes, and sinatraa on initiator/flex duelist.

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Sinatraa suits well in Faze clan. They are former teammates and their play style matches.

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Very bad team environment, players not playing to compete but to save their jobs

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Right? There's legit a pattern. Every stage so far I've heard "We got a relatively new roster" or "Only a few weeks of prac w new member". They're swithcing a person out and in every few months to give them leeway and a LIST of excuses so that the main roster doesn't get dropped. I said it before in this thread too, but someone else has to oversee the scouting and signing process, this is literally a joke.

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True bang actually kept them alive so many times in the series. They should now just believe the roster they now make and stop looking to make a super team

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Bro im actually very surprised and a bit sad I felt like he was doing very great. but I guess we don't know whats going on behind the scenes

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tsm won’t sign sinatraa because myth doesn’t like him. plus bang was terrible on smokes compared to duelist. it was probably best for both teams

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Yes because myth chooses who they sign for valorant pro play!

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He has much more of a say than you think.

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This person is wrong about Myth, but right that TSM won't sign Sinaatra. They dropped a cracked player on their female team because she ranted about fast food workers 3 years ago. You think an org that cares that much about image is going to pick up the most controversial player in Valorant?
Secondly, it makes ZERO sense. Levi looked great, apart from aim, but they don't need another cracked aimer, they need excellent Sova util which Levi provides.
The only org shameless enough to pick Sinaatra is FaZe.

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One thing about TSM is that even if a person has a bit of something in his character TSM would never sign that person. TSM sinatra is only possible if the he proves to be completely innocent.

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This is literally the most accurate thing ever posted on this site. This team has the dumbest management. Initially, TSM Chet said that they picked up bang because he was aggressive, and that that's what the team needed. Cool, so we can expect him to be on agents that can be aggressive, like reyna? No, rarely. They slapped him on astra and sage most of the time. While it's understandable bc we already have another duelist for most maps, and we don't really have a smoker, why pick him up and put him in that awkward situation when he clearly shines as a duelist?

I literally do not understand. Also, there has to be some hidden rule about big orgs picking up very YOUNG talent and then dropping them shortly after. These orgs should be cultivating them and training them into becoming bigger and better players. Dropping someone at this age, after just barely being picked up, can ruin not only their career, but their entire life. He's a kid for crying out loud.

Hopefully they get their act together and start signing SMOKE players for SMOKE roles. Not duelist for smokes, not sentinel for smokes, SMOKES for SMOKES. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't know who's making the signing decisions. However, it shouldn't solely be the valorant roster, and it shouldn't solely be the management.

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bro you are doing God's work right here

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Yeahh… i agree with that guy

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best take on this website brother

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As much as I think in general this is a really good take, the one notion that people need to drop a bit is that Bang was picked up just to play duelist. Bang had always looked best in T2 playing smokes, and once he started playing Astra and putting up good numbers TSM signed him. His most played agents are still controllers and the reason that TSM picked him up was most likely because he's the only player in T2 that could fill up the holes that TSM's agent pool had. He was a good Astra player, but also could bring out the Raze Reyna and Sage. I'm personally not mad at how they used him, it worked for him to be playing based on the controller meta, Astra or Sage/Raze when Viper is good or they value Raze over Skye. It seems like people are torn between a few notions, its either
"why TSM pick up duelist"
"why is Bang on duelist"
"Why is Bang playing Astra when he's aggressive"
All of these all have both a bit of merit and some flaws to them for their own reason, but IMO Bang is at his best when playing his aggressive anchoring Astra style, and that was always the reason he stuck out when he played for SRN.

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cap store up for lease after this one

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gangbang

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Oh wow.

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Rip

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back to losing in RO32 OMEGALUL

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Good job TSM staff, keep the good work up, just a few more. Wardell is the only one they should keep. Anyway they won’t do it because they would loose their VCT points, so basically this players carriers depend on Sentinels players

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How many players do they have to keep to not lose their vct points?

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A core of 3 players, I think they even count if they are benched, but they have to be under contract. But don’t quote me in the last part, I’m only sure of the at least 3 players core part

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no bro they have to rebuild with subroza as a core of the team wardell is just overrated so much

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Subroza is too. If it where me I would just buy an entire new roster. But the thing with Wardell and Roza is the stream, they pull so much fanbase and that has a value even bigger for the org than tier1 results

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That is soo true they bring soo much value. Even if that lack with their results

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wardell is overrated lmao you must realize the gets a lot of first bloods and multi kills every round

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pretty easy when your team revolves around getting you kills

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ofc the team will revolve around him. He's the only consistent standout player. IF roza dropped 30 a game, they'd play around him. Like how 100t plays around asuna.

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Subroza has been underperforming

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cause daddydell is the main stone in tsm, everything should change and everyone should evolved unless its daddy dell. he can do whatever he wants, he's the undisputed king. poggers! <3

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I think thats the problem, wardell is good in OP but lack in entry fragging. The meta in valorant is that jett should be able to adjust based on the economy of the team and provide creating space without relying on a "Single" Gun. I know its rude but a player should be able to do things like Yay/TenZ/Asuna to be stable stone for the team. Wardell only problem is that he relied to his OP kills too much even in Attacking Overtime which in most cases damaged their entry fragging.

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still fanbois gonna say, he doesn't OP that much now! he's all rifles now! but is that enough? can you justify benching a young prospect like bang and keep dell strapped with OP at all the time so he can flex on OP while his team looses?!?

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Keep it up

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TSM FTX sinatraa 🤔

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Not gonna lie, this is looking kinda rough for TSM

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sadge bang was kinda set up for failure

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literally the poiz story. be a ranked demon , get picked up by a big org, get dropped not too long after. sad to see but i hope he finds a good t1 team to call home

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I mean bang was pretty good in cs too

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plot twist bang and poiz team up and make the ultimate zoomer team which wins VCT 2022

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add in dicey and you have a team that 39-0s sen in the grand finals

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TSM FTX jcStani incoming guys 👀👀👀

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I would love to see them pick up thwifo and put hazed back on smoke or maybe pick up stani. Honestly tho I think this is just a shit decision in general he was seat up for failure by having to flex to so many different roles I honestly wish they just gave him more time.

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same watching thwifo when they played tsm vs abx was insane he was so good lurking.

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buy out s0m

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actually good idea

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If they don’t make it to LCQ there are FA good enough to rebuild a tier1 roster around 1/2 players they currently have

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Poor guy he has big potential! I still think Chet is the problem and not one of those Players.

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TSM are gonna sign thief and get another duelist ROFL

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actually bet lol

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expected tbh

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bad move

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I remember someone on this forum ever says that Andersin is one of the best smoker and clutcher, that's better than zombs.
So maybe TSM FTX Andersin?

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I doubt it though, Andersin said on stream that he has no plans on leaving DarkZero even if he got offers because they got him to where he is now.

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but MONEY you feel me. everything’s for sale

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Not even going to the Academy Team?
You had the kid playing a different agent on every map, of course he'll be inconsistent

Picking up aspiring talent just to drop them is a bad move TSM

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wtf bang clutched for them so many times. Without him, they would have lost to Andbox or GenG and never got into Berlin qualifier

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Welcome to valorant where if you do bad 1 match ur cut unless you have clout like the remaining players on TSM h4h4h4h4h4

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Well TSM current situation can’t be defined as 1 bad match, so even if it is the case for Bang, the roster is in a critical moment and they need to move. Same for orgs like G2, if they choke in Berlin probably most of them will be out

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yeah, but if you were the TSM manager, is bang really the player you would bench in TSM? I feel like I would bench hazed/Subroza personally for a real IGL. Also, I know it's early days but, I would also consider getting a different sova player because I haven't been that impressed with Leviathan either thus far.

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Right now you’re gonna be long periods without competition, benching one of your players that pulls huge streams is a terrible idea. Stream is the only thing why the roster is worth for they right now. And about Hazed, anyways they have to keep Wardell Hazed and Roza until LCQ is they finally go to keep the points. So it was Bang or Levi basically

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"I don't even think he's that good"
-Faze BabyBay

ROFL LMAOOOOOOOO

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well TSM did destroy FaZe so

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It was a seeding game...

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Faze is in LCQ and TSM is not... so babybay won !!

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All they needed was to replace chet or maybe old man hazed. Bang is a promising yoing talent. They should have worked on him.

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Wow i wonder who is in charge of making all these decisions. Dont they ever like step back and think "Mayb its more about how we play as a team rather individual skill". "Maybe sometimes wardell try to OP too much on attack side as jet, the best space creating agent. Getting kills without getting a side is useless." "Maybe we can try to stop Subroza from retaking site alone while his team is rotating from the other bombsite." But yea, maybe they know better.

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welp good luck in a possible lcq showing, if u dont qualify after ur best run this year. Just come looking back at this.
Bang better be picked up soon. Maybe LG should pick him up?

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-hazed +Jcstani +Thwifo

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fuck it just buy out SEN with the FTX money already

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get jcstani?

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TSM andersin

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tsm management is the one who need change...the roster is decent rn

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TSM should go for a proper IGL player who plays smokes. someone like C9 Vanity.

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Babybay needs an apology from TSM

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the thing about hazed vs bang. Despite bang being a future prospect, what they need are results now. He could go to the academy team, or to another top team and grow there. With how TSM has slowly been going downhill, they need to get actual stable and consistent players.

Right now their issues are pretty much everyone but wardell. Subroza saved himself the last quals, hazed has been getting nice plays recently, Levi is surprisingly consistant on sova.

What I can see happeneing, is them having levi go back to the academy team, bang benched. Then they pick up sinatra and either a smoker, or a flex.
Right now they swap roles around so often, other than wardell. If they keep roza on one role, then we could see his consistent form come back.

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There is no way they pick Sinatra, myth hates him and so does the main roster picking person ( because of the sexual assault)

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who tf cares what myth thinks, if you want to win you need players that are gonna make you win.

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Bro, Myth is a content creator for tsm and a br player. Not sure if he still plays comp, or retired. However he has 0 say in who joins a val team. His role in the team is a meme coach for content.

the rest of the roster, they have more say. If they dont want him, they dont. However he is current BEST player in the world who isn't active, and signed to a team. TSM not going for him is fair enough. However it's not completely out there, given sinatra was regarded as teh best sova, and one of the most consistent duellist.
Both are what tsm lacks. Thy found a sova in levi, but no consistent duellist other than wardell.

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TSM is the most lost team ive ever seen, they pick up a player the bench they get a rid get another player say hes good and straight the the bench. wth

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This is sooo frustrating, bang was nothing but a good support for tsm even though he was a cracked dualist main. TSM are just soooo confused I don't know what hell they are gonna do now

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TSM becoming like all other NA teams(except sen,100t,NV) making changes all the time and ruining the team chemistry after 1 loss

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so dumb.

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JASONR IN

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they should get doublelift

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Whoever runs the talent side of tsm needs to get fired if they think dropping players constantly after a loss is the solution

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i have said this since the day they signed chet this man is a paycheck stealer. they are expecting a 17 year old with no prior experience to show up big against tier 1 teams. dumdums. yall have an igl problem. shouldve gotten vanity with the big bucks.

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I doubt he got cut due to individual performance he was performing pretty well on astra considering he hadn't played her that much even in tier 2/3, there could be a number of reasons for why he got cut but I'm not gonna speculate. I think this iteration of the team with bang was really good and he's well and truly the last player I would've cut personally, but then again, this is from my perspective as an outsider/viewer.

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the team has no direction, mainly cause they have no igl. chet is trying to manage shit from outside the server. bang has no idea what he wants to play, but he gets to feel that hes just 17. the most questionable part of this whole ordeal was not getting a hard smoker if they wanted a smoker rather than getting bang to smoke. they get a young "flex" and just put him in a support role and expected tsm to be good against t1 team who have top tier smoke players. people support this iteration of tsm cause they won challengers 2 stage 3 but everyone conveniently forgets that actually good teams had already made playoffs. i think this is a drone like situation, drone was a good phoenix player but phoenix was never the agent tsm needed. now tsm needs an igl and a good smoker and bang is neither of them, him being benched has nothing to do with him tsm just need a different role.

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So you're telling me you would've cut wardell or roza instead of bang? Wardell was the reason they even made it to closed LOOOL

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ngl i can see tsm mummay as he is a controller and benched too

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He may not be benched for too long considering the position Marved is in.

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what do you mean?

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ESIC still has a TON of evidence (so they say) of NA CS:GO matchfixing. It should come out any day now, ESIC is in full cooperation with Valve and Riot in banning these players they said yesterday across both games. Marved is one of the big names in that group that was matchfixing, (supposedly even though if you watch any VOD you can tell they are throwing on purpose)

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ohh right, that completely slipped my mind even though I literally watched the HLTV podcast with the ESIC commissioner yesterday lol. Still though, according to ESIC it's gonna take them a while before they can come out with punishments and when they do I doubt mummay will be the guy replacing Marved unless they can't find someone else.

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It takes time for these things though so I doubt anything will happen until 2022

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This is so sad

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why

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TSM should just give up hoping for the LCQ and start building a good roster early on and prepare for next year by dropping everyone except wardell lmao

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Just be a big streamer and you will never get kicked. EZ

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I think the core players are bigger problem and They have to retain three players to avoid losing vct points

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TSM Bang you will alwys be remembered

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I very much agree with you
TSM Forever

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They can take bdog or dcop.

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so this is why there's so many tsm thread again. interesting

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This is a bad move, but ok... i dont know what they're thinking.

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I feel like they're being too hasty they just need bang and Levi to settle in more...

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TSM with:
Wardell
Shot_Up
Levi
Bjor
Andersin

Imagine.

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nah aproto>bjor yaboidre>shot_up

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yes, are they available?

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TSM has more than enough to buy them out

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aproto>bjor for sure but dre is NOT better than shot up

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shot up is hella overrated. guy hasn't played any good teams in the longest time and does a decent performance again T2 teams and people think he's a god. the one time he played against a decent team which was c9 blue he barely went positive with only 5 fb and 3 fd

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TSM: signs duelist main and makes him flex 3 roles
Player: is inconsistent
TSM: surprised pikachu face

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poor bastard

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idk why they keep benching people, this qualifier was the best TSM has looked in almost a year and Bang has been alr for them playing roles he had to learn. Like?!?

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rip TSM

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Thwifo could be a good pickup he said he's learning controllers after he wanted to bench himself in XSET.

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TSM FTX s0m is the right choice.
Buyout his contract or loan him for now. Dude been carrying NRG who's been picking up players that does not fit.

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TSM FTX diceyx?

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he's a jett main, wardel is better than him.

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they just get myth
best omen NA
he can even coach during mid round
get some inspirational speeches during tact pause

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TSM need to disband, only keep wardell and build a team around him, like 100T did with hiko ?

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roza > wardell

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Ah shit, here we go again

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TSM Sinatraa

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Good, he was ass anyway...

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Unlucky for bang, i don't think this was enough time for him to fit in the team.

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Huge loss for TSM IMO, but gl to bang

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Changes were made too little too late. Not Bangs fault.

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LIke give a kid a chance.

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at this point they might have to scrap the whole roster besides roza idk if even wardell is cutting it

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sucks for bang never really got a shot either

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They need to bring back Drone. Drone was literally the Sen Sick of their roster cause of his insane aim and game sense. Instead of putting him on Sova since they have Levi now, they should let him play Phoenix (he shines the most)/Sage (very easy and impactful agent to learn) depending on the map just like Sen Sick does. Have Subroza as the prime smoke role just like he was during the beta days and ignition series (when they were the best team in NA) with occasionally Skye when needed and let Wardel and Hazed do their thing cause those two has been consistent af.

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phoenix isn’t meta anymore. skye replaced him, and we have subroza for that. drone is regression.

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TSM Jay "sinatraa" Won

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Tsm gmd would prolly be a good fit ngl really good on smokes possible igl just my opinion

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This move is one of the dumbest to happen in recent memory, bang is good, i was questioning why tf TSM put a duelist on smokes/sentinels flex, and this is like a kick to the balls

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they should fking drop Leviathan instead of bang :( hope they move Leviathan to the academy roster and find someone else thats actually good, the main roster needs someone who is better