NiKo on Valorant

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999xuxu

https://clips.twitch.tv/RockyExpensiveClipsdadMau5-shejIX-Jy71DTfsE thought it was a fairly interesting take from one of the best aimers of all time in cs

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Been here longer than you've registered but haven't visited the site in a couple of months until Champions and saw I need to attach a social to login now, dunno how to recover my former acc and honestly I cba about it really, I make posts probably twice a year.

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NiKo's comment on the highlight clips should be universally understood: the shots look harder and thus more satisfying in CSGO, Valorant is like playing softball...

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are we forgetting what a highlight is?? it's players best moments out of like hundreds of thousands of moments

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He never played the game lol. His words. It’s like having an opinion on a movie from watching the trailer lol

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patuj

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Is he wrong tho? I think many people even pros have said that aiming in Valorant is easier than in CSGO? Neutral take, not my opinion because I'm worse in Valorant than CSGO.

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CSGO is Mechanically hard
Valorant is Strategically hard

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patuj

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I mean CSGO is both mechanically and strategically hard. Even more than Valorant right now. My point is that looking at Valorant clutches or clips isn't as impressive than CSGO because many have said Valorant is easier when it comes to aiming. Especially from point of CSGO pro's view. NiKo's mechanics are way more impressive than Yay's etc.

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AceGX

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played cs once, easiest shit ever

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patuj

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if you played it once you likely played casual modes so your opinion doesnt matter

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Kiklop

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How many times have niko played val?

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Bosher

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you have to be a fucking idiot right?

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patuj

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Nothing I said was wrong. Valorant only players can cope as much as they want.

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Bosher

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"Your opinion is wrong because you barely play CSGO!", "Is Niko wrong tho? Aiming is easier in Valorant than CSGO!"

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so ur saying that csgo is strategically harder although you have to master an agents abilities to be good at valorant

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patuj

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Valorant abilities are nothing compared to CSGO utility. At least not at this point. And that is only one part.

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ok go to hltv byee ❤😘

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yeah must be hard to do the same default on the same map for the 500th time... it can be tough to play against and counter but that still gameplay isnt strategically harder than val in any way.

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ayanzx

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csgo is incredibly hard strategically

i agree that val is hard strategically but cs has been compettively relevant for so long that the amt of anti stratting a cs team does for one major probably trumps the amt of anti stratting a val team does for an entire split

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This is true, but the only reason for this is the years and years of time to forge way more developed strategies and tactics. Valorant on equal time will be far more complex. There's simply a lot more that goes into the game.

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ayanzx

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maybe so but wouldnt cs strategy also progress further in that time?
your logic is inherently flawed

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cs strategy would progress yeah but their point is that valorants strategy will be far more complex than CSGOs given more time because of abilities

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symbols07

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lol progress to where, its the same util. there wont be a new fade prowler that will make strategy shift as heavily as val has every 6 months

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patuj

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Its crazy how much some people are underrating the strategical depth of CSGO. People just see smoke grenades and flashes and instantly assume those are really simple and easy utility to pull off. Like do these guys ever watch professional CSGO? The variety of rounds and must do counter stratting in CSGO is massive. Even random spawn positions completely change plans and plays for the round and that doesn't even happen in Valorant. Like watching G2 play couple days ago where m0NESY was taking quick AWP angles from different positions at start of every round and how the enemy team was trying their best to counter it with utility. Stuff like that makes current Valorant strategical stuff look like casual in comparison.

CSGO might look simple, but holy is there so many small details that might completely change the outcome. Also teams are constantly coming out with new ideas and plays with limited utility they have, so then again opponents have to re-think their usage of utility and even movement etc. So the game and its strats are constantly evolving and changing even to this day. I didn't even understand this before watching Elige trying to teach Freakazoid some lineups, like that shit is crazy when he explains about metas etc.

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ayanzx

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exactly, the utility usage in cs is way more crucial to a round than in val. a missed dart or molly in val doesn't mean you've completely lost the round but a missed molly in cs basically guarantees the other team the round(ie, cat molly on dust 2) i agree with ur point on spawn positions and their massive effect on the round as well because of how important it is for certain players to throw certain utility.

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Also it seems like people here don't understand that some utility in CS needs to be pixel perfect and sometimes that includes movement, jumping, crouching and any combination of those as well, even the most common ones on high level like Mirage windows smoke from T spawn, or how some people throw utility on Dust 2 B site from little holes on the ceiling in tunnel, wall of smokes on Nuke outside, which requires 3 very accurate smokes if you don't want to be seen, smoke on the ledge on Dust 2 short. If we include maps that are not in the competitive map pool now then NiP smokes on Cbble, Train utility was pretty crazy in general considering how little space was there to work with for Ts, some stuff on Cache was flying like halfway across the map.

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ayanzx

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People say DOTA is harder than LoL… Who cares.

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I mean even cs looks easy to play
all you have to do is click heads but its easier said than done

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blazennn

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true

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asdfgh

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in valorant its just way easier to click heads

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koromast

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yes for the opposite team too, so how does it makes it an easier game?

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asdfgh

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what word do you not understand from "in valorant its just way easier to click heads"

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koromast

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i mean maybe it sounded like i was arguing, but i agree with the headshot part, i just feel its dumb in general to say its an easier game because of that (i know you didnt say that, my comment wasnt an attack towards you im just not that good expressing myself on english mb).

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Kuuga

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One of the best aimers in CS while he threw a round at a GF major

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999xuxu

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I mean, you're not wrong but does that take it away from him?

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alexxx

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what is this braindead take

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asdfgh

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lmfao how does this braindead shit get 5 frags valorant fans are on a different type of copium doing everything to bring him down lmfao

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sheahhhh

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literally any game, I loook at CS and that shit looks light af, especially the OP, and u don't even need to master abilities
but its def not ez when u play it, dude is just salty af

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asdfgh

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lmfao valorant fanboys are coping hard,yeah hes def just really salty here man that makes sense!

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nairolf1337

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master abilities? master what? point & click?

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sheahhhh

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yes point and click kayo flashes straight in front of you or no wait lets just let the skye flash go free, or maybe we can viper molly out in the open no need for lineups

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asdfgh

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yeah man lineups and flash mechanics so hard to master ngl

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You mean throwing flashes and molotvs using line-ups? Something that cs players has been doing since, i dont know, 10 years?

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patuj

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CSGO utility is so much more complex than what you think it is. Its true mastery from the top teams. Every single utility piece counts and is used to get max value. You don't just recon and get it back 30 seconds later. Its more complex than Valorant abilities at the moment. You just don't understand it.

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spookmeister

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"I havent tried it but it looks easy"
meanwhile watching CS pros makes the game look easy

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asdfgh

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why are people genuinely defending valorant about the shooting,it is literally made easier for a reason

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Reposted this after the other thread got taken down....

stop trying force this cs vs val arguement

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999xuxu

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Just literally logged in and posted this for fun and games, not reinforcing a x vs y thingy dunno what you're referring to nor why you sound salty about it but go off ig :)

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this is your first ever post.

early today someone posted the exact same shit and mods removed it.

so ..

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FulanoCiclano

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he would tilt if he ever tried it, thats for sure.
just like i did when i switched from cs, but the game grows on you.

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cobalt21312

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saying valorant is easy like cs is any harder? you click heads in both games

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Olofboost

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What a stupid comparison. Of course CS is harder. Harder to aim, specifically. Less abilities means aim is also more important.

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cobalt21312

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how is aiming harder in CS? aiming is just as important in valorant. neither game is harder than the other

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Olofboost

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Targets in CS are smaller and they move faster. Try yourself. I mean even newbies know that CS aiming requires much more precise skills

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cobalt21312

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idk they look pretty similar to me. csgo actually just a worse game in general though

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Olofboost

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You literally haven't even compared the differences
"They look pretty similar" something what a guy who played 10 hours of CS would say

There's a reason why t4 csgo rejects are now gods in valorant, on the same level as t1 csgo players

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cobalt21312

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i have 600 hours in csgo, i dont play it anymore because valorant is simply more fun and less lame to get better at

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HokkasTimo

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If aiming is harder in other game how does it make the game easier or harder? You play against other people with same game mechanics.

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Olofboost

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No, it just means Valorant has lower skill ceiling, that in Valorant s1mple / Chronicle will be equally good players, though in CS one is god and another is random t3 pugger

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Valgod

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Chronicle would shit on trashple in valorant

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Olofboost

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Just proves that in Valorant all players are equal, despite them being very much different in CS
Low skill game

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Valgod

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How does that prove anything

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in valorant the skill cieling for a team is higher but for a player is lower, because of abilities a team with good synergy, strats, protocols, and set plays will be miles and miles above a team with mediocre ability usage, and theirs more to perfects with abilities. But individually its a lot easier to become a god tier aimer.

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Valorant is literally intended to be easier and rewarding to everyone just to attract new players to fps (like lol players) and milk them on skins and battle passes while they are hooked to the game

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Valgod

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You could say csgo was made for gambling addicts

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i am one of them

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I saw a 10yo play valorant yesterday at internet cafe while still use his school uniform. He is pretty good at Reyna.

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Sushi_

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who cars about what some boomer whos never gonna touch the game thinks about it lmao

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katsu_vlr

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times like this that really makes me appreciate s1mple. Much more celebrated in esports, actually plays valorant but never stoops to this

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yaiima0

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Bro is talking about a game he never even played 💀

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CSGO = minecraft graphics what is he even saying

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Yes, Niko is correct, when I see his Highlights I found it easy as well hit someone from behind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpF9P7Bq5BE

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minte

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lmao i was in the audience

NAVI fans around me were laughing for a minute straight

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acels1

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choko gna choke in valorant

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Ullyr

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lol classic CSGO frog take, never played or played 5 games easy game KEKW

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KyLZi

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Come to Valorant.

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looklook

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valorant fanboys gonna mald

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cyk

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he definitely should switch to Val, only 13 rounds to win that he can choke less

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niko future valorant player EZ

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Cs frog try not to talk about valorant challenge impossible

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999xuxu

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What if I play both games?

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Ch0ko is a washed CS player that chokes in important games inb

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he should play for a korean team so, they always choke in important games

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how does it look ez. like for ex suygetsu 4k to close that prx final, that was some peak mechanical gameplay, how is that any easier in cs... geniuine question

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hekzy

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It wasn't. It really wasn't.

Personally, I know valorant is way esiter mechanically. And that's what turns me off of all the highlights, they seem dull, even 5ks.

But I feel like it's very different strategically, and the util combos are actually the most exciting highlights for me.

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like i said, tell me the difference, if its the opponent team playing/positioning badly then i can somewhat understand. but that 4k will look exactly the same and would require equally good mechanics to do in both games

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hekzy

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Firstly, it's the opponents peeking one by one in a 1v4. Peeking out in the open. Secondly, valorant has huge hitboxes. Thirdly, valorant models move way slowerx than in CS, which makes them less mobile targets. Fourthly, watch that in 0.25x speed and you'll understand.

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Time to eat popcorn reading both cs and valorant fanboys malding