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Shep

shit agent that ruins ranked

makes phoenix a garbage agent

also only further legitimizes run and gun gameplay

does make chamber a valuable character tho since his slows are gonna probably be hard to shoot whilst running out at the speed of light in front of your two phoenix walls

/discuss

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was your opinion so special and important that u had to make another thread just for it instead of putting it in an existing one

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Shep

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yes because it is a shared opinion as you can see in the title "correct opinion"

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true

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this how riot is,cool and creative champs in the start but they just get worse and op and make the game cancer over time like in LoL,but its a worrying sign this is already happening this early

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literally only one of the 7 new agents so far has been overpowered (astra), and that's only because she's well designed and the other controllers aren't. complex/difficult =/ cancer or OP

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Phoenix was already garbage since skye buffs, then even worse when Kayo released. Just a dead agent only for people new to the game who havent unlocked anything

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It’s almost like….

You can buff agents or something.

But I’m sure riot never thought of that… or..

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aaa420

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so what do you think they will buff in phoenix,you actually think people will start picking him if his molly does more damage or he gets more flashes lmao

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Shep

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I promise you he'll get more pickrate if they give him a passive ability that heals him per kill or something or maybe if they make his ult last longer per kill he gets in it.

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aaa420

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so basically reyna q as a passive or infinite ult lol,im sure that wont be op and riot will def do that

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Shep

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Won't be OP if they do it right like maybe 40hp per kill with no overheal. In his current state he's just not viable so I feel like giving him a passive that heals him per kill would be better than nothing because his current kit has like no utility at all.

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i dont think people will still pick him over reyna,raze or jett,he is literally useless compared to them eitherway,in the right hands a reyna or raze is so much more dangerous than phoenix

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Shep

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Well we'll find out eventually since riot is gonna release a lot of changes with this new patch in terms of balancing agents and the economy.

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LouBag

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It’s clear that they know his wall is weak. That’s why this new agent has the same thing only better.

They will probably completely change his wall.

His flash is decent
His molly is decent
His ultimate is fantastic
His wall is trash. You fix the wall or replace it with another skill and he gets played.

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LouBag

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I would personally like to see his flashes being toggled so you could throw then behind you or in front.

Would help give him more swagger and help him be more dynamic in open spaces

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Maybe they could make it so the wall has no equip time, easier to curve, and lasts longer.
His molly and wall could add a burning efect, that keeps the player on fire and deals a low amount of damage for a few seconds.
His ult could last longer or make it so he recovers a little bit of ult time per kill (2 sec time recovery per kill seems balanced).
And yeah his flashes are decent, but I gotta be honest, they do not even compare to Yoru and Reyna flashes in terms of utility. Maybe speeding up the use animation (not the flashes' activation time, but Phoenix's hand model), so it's easier to play off your popflashes.

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bro his flash is trash wym

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FERETON

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They're definitely the worst but still got their use, the difference is Reyna and Yoru flashes' got more teamplay and support useability. Phoenix's are individual popflashes, and that's not really bad, but what Riot's gotta do is find a way to make him more teamplay friendly and not just a useless kit that heals himself running around with a gun.

Or maybe that's not the solution, they are closer to make like Reyna, a frag agent, not really made to create space with utility, but by getting kills.

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not only can phoenix flashes pretty much only flash for himself, you have to remember they're not even that good at doing it unless you have some weird tech or even lineups (lol) to make them pop super well and be undodgable, whereas with skye for example you just need to practice timing a little and you can pop flash any corner perfectly along with people able to help your team, along with them also being rechargeable...

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Don't compare Phoenix's flashes with Initiator flashes, those are obviously way better than Duelist flashes for a reason, those are made to support, gain info and create space, while Duelist flashes were made to get a duel advantage. The thing is Reyna and Yoru flashes are also useful to support teammates.
It's not that Phoenix is a bad duelist, he fills the role, but the other duelists just have better mechanics.

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Mbappe

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im just replying to the guy saying that now Neon makes phoenix useless, like he wasn't in the last 6 months

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genuinely why do people cry so much about run and gun. i really doubt she’s gonna be used competitively

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blissout11

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she’s gonna be so useless on defense too i don’t get why people are complaining saying that this ruins the game lmao

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Shep

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Faster rotate = useless????????

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yea

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riot now made run n gun an official game mechanic

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everyone will be crying until gambit comes with their anti-neon strats

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You don't even know if her wall does any dmg, phoenix's wall heals and does damage, hers is probably just visual. Her "Run and Gun" only happens while her ult is active, maybe 4 times in an entire match, it also already happens with Jett's ult, whats your problem?

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her wall will most likely deal damage because her ult is literally thunder being projected from her hands, and the run and gun issue doesnt end with only her ult when she can wield a judge and slide like a maniac so she can easily run up to people and clap them. Plus she gets a stun ability too.

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So can Jett, and her abilities has nothing to do with the wall damaging or nothing, that is just speculation, she has two walls, she can make a hallway for people to pass, it's much more OP than the phoenix one, the thing that would make the most sense is to not deal damage.

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Maybe she can only slide/run while on her tunnel?

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???? no shot

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Trailer literally showed otherwise lmao

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sumihiro

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idk didn't watch

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if the wall ability breaks things like trip wires im headin out

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People stop overestimating agents challenge. Remember when ppl thought Kayo, Yoru and Chamber would be op yet Viper, Sova, Astra and Jett rule the game

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this

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kayo was supposed to literally break the whole game but didn't make a single mark until he got a buff lul

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have they shown her gameplay yet?

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Mjtchell

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Yes

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why is it 10 fps lol
I wonder how much dmg does her ult do

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I think it will be a good movement non op alternative to Jett. For someone like maybe Asuna who's insane with movement, but maybe not the most comfortable on jett every map. This character is definitely a phoenix delete though no doubt.

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She is shit. No cap will have 0 pickrate