Wtf is ts man (read whole thread) https://x.com/wanshunzhi/status/1911652123781271607?s=46&t=QgRCQWtDYOeBnfqw5hpOQQ
Looks like we won’t ever be getting back S1mon on the main roster
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S1mon bringing up smoggy not training his aim as hard is kind of crazy since he is one of the best aimers in the world, S1mon is the one that needs to improve the most as he is their weakest link, blaming others for not training as hard as him when he is the one who needs to improve the most makes me agree more with the coach even though S1mon helped them win champs.
DBStudios [#5]S1mon bringing up smoggy not training his aim as hard is kind of crazy since he is one of the best aimers in the world, S1mon is the one that needs to improve the most as he is their weakest link, blaming others for not training as hard as him when he is the one who needs to improve the most makes me agree more with the coach even though S1mon helped them win champs.
Not saying I agree/disagree but want to point out Smoggy performed horribly at Bangkok
I get it winning champs and all but this attitude and mentality aren't good enough for a pro team. He's pointing out others like smoggy, chichoo who just own others on LAN, he doesn't. This is definitely not a good look for simon and not sure if other teams would want to sign someone with this attitude.
Hades_Loves_Rb [#7]Not saying I agree/disagree but want to point out Smoggy performed horribly at Bangkok
Smoggy was the third best on his team at Bangkok and also in the top 20? Idk where you got he performed horribly. Also now he's the best player in China Stage 1 too?
Toph_ [#6]Kinda confused assuming he was on the team when he was “not practicing” they want him practicing extensively EVERYDAY… OUTSIDE of their own team practice? Is that not insane?
A lot of teams want their players to play ranked outside of prac as well as vod review etc hard to say as we don’t know what goes on in EDG but back in the day they were known for insane practices back in the day
DBStudios [#5]S1mon bringing up smoggy not training his aim as hard is kind of crazy since he is one of the best aimers in the world, S1mon is the one that needs to improve the most as he is their weakest link, blaming others for not training as hard as him when he is the one who needs to improve the most makes me agree more with the coach even though S1mon helped them win champs.
Yeah but then don’t sugar coated and just talk behind his back publicly lmao. Just keep it real he’s a better aimer than you simple… has nothing to do with work ethic that’s just insulting especially if a player feels he is working hard.
Toph_ [#6]Kinda confused assuming he was on the team when he was “not practicing” they want him practicing extensively EVERYDAY… OUTSIDE of their own team practice? Is that not insane?
imo if i coach of fns, s1mon etc
i prob ask them to practice aim outside scrim
is unfair but imo needed
DBStudios [#9]Smoggy was the third best on his team at Bangkok and also in the top 20? Idk where you got he performed horribly. Also now he's the best player in China Stage 1 too?
Maybe I’m miss remembering but I do remember him underperforming a lot in the beginning of the year- not to say he’s not insane he def is
Hades_Loves_Rb [#13]Maybe I’m miss remembering but I do remember him underperforming a lot in the beginning of the year- not to say he’s not insane he def is
He was doing better than Chichoo in kickoff too in terms of ACS and was one of the best on his team so yeah you're misremembering something
Hades_Loves_Rb [#10]A lot of teams want their players to play ranked outside of prac as well as vod review etc hard to say as we don’t know what goes on in EDG but back in the day they were known for insane practices back in the day
That’s understandable however this isn’t phrase as oh you don’t practice at all. This is phrase as he practices more than you… he’s no on a pro team and scrimming for hours a day??? That just a blatantly unfair comparison to make.
Hades_Loves_Rb [#10]A lot of teams want their players to play ranked outside of prac as well as vod review etc hard to say as we don’t know what goes on in EDG but back in the day they were known for insane practices back in the day
Ignore this
Toph_ [#6]Kinda confused assuming he was on the team when he was “not practicing” they want him practicing extensively EVERYDAY… OUTSIDE of their own team practice? Is that not insane?
he was the easiest player to replace and if the guy replacing him is working harder then he has to step up to keep his spot
yueyou [#17]he was the easiest player to replace and if the guy replacing him is working harder then he has to step up to keep his spot
Yes however that’s where the problem lies… you are asking someone to step it up in comparison to another person who has significantly more time on their hands… it’s not like two runners starting a race and one falls behind… it’s like one of those runners got a 3 mile head start and expecting the other runner to keep up with that. I have not problem with choosing the better aimer but that half assed excuse is lame.
afreespirit [#12]imo if i coach of fns, s1mon etc
i prob ask them to practice aim outside scrim
is unfair but imo needed
Sure that’s understandable
I get that everyone likes to jump on the bandwagon against an org after they drop/bench a player, but I don't think EDG deserves backlash for keeping Jieni7 over S1mon. Fact is, Smoggy/Chichoo/Kangkang are irreplaceable players due to their raw talent and Nobody is the igl. If someone has to be replaced it's S1mon, and he was underperforming. If Jieni7 is a better player/harder worker on paper to them that's just what it is.
Toph_ [#11]Yeah but then don’t sugar coated and just talk behind his back publicly lmao. Just keep it real he’s a better aimer than you simple… has nothing to do with work ethic that’s just insulting especially if a player feels he is working hard.
Where was it stated that S1mon was working hard?? In the tweets it literally states "It’s implied that S1Mon doesn’t want to put in this kind of effort and so he was benched." So no shit if Jieni7 is putting more effort into trying to become a better player while S1mon, the guy who needs to improve the most on the team, ISNT PUTTING IN EFFORT, then yes the coach can do whatever if their player isn't listening to them.
Kinkz [#8]I get it winning champs and all but this attitude and mentality aren't good enough for a pro team. He's pointing out others like smoggy, chichoo who just own others on LAN, he doesn't. This is definitely not a good look for simon and not sure if other teams would want to sign someone with this attitude.
lol why would he do that, that will probably send him to tier2-3 easily
Toph_ [#19]Yes however that’s where the problem lies… you are asking someone to step it up in comparison to another person who has significantly more time on their hands… it’s not like two runners starting a race and one falls behind… it’s like one of those runners got a 3 mile head start and expecting the other runner to keep up with that. I have not problem with choosing the better aimer but that half assed excuse is lame.
if jieni was working less hard now after joining the main team wouldn’t they just sub s1mon back in? s1mon was clearly less eager to improve the one thing he lacked whereas jieni seems to be working hard to improve and expand his agent pool to fit in to the team better
DBStudios [#22]Where was it stated that S1mon was working hard?? In the tweets it literally states "It’s implied that S1Mon doesn’t want to put in this kind of effort and so he was benched." So no shit if Jieni7 is putting more effort into trying to become a better player while S1mon, the guy who needs to improve the most on the team, ISNT PUTTING IN EFFORT, then yes the coach can do whatever if their player isn't listening to them.
Especially “IF” again HOW can he put in the same effort with objectively LESS time use your head instead of blindly glazing the team. Nothing about this post indicates S1mon wasn’t listening it is strictly implied due to someone working harder than him.
yueyou [#24]if jieni was working less hard now after joining the main team wouldn’t they just sub s1mon back in? s1mon was clearly less eager to improve the one thing he lacked whereas jieni seems to be working hard to improve and expand his agent pool to fit in to the team better
Why would he who care if he doesn’t work as hard if he’s a better Aimer… again you are holding two people to a standard that is far easier for one of them to reach. How you fail you comprehend that is beyond me.
Toph_ [#25]Especially “IF” again HOW can he put in the same effort with objectively LESS time use your head instead of blindly glazing the team. Nothing about this post indicates S1mon wasn’t listening it is strictly implied due to someone working harder than him.
well muggle has a brain and smthing probably went wrong with s1mon because jieni7 yesterday actually was really good
zhongZHI [#28]well muggle has a brain and smthing probably went wrong with s1mon because jieni7 yesterday actually was really good
Yes I think he does have a brain to know one is a better Aimer… again my problem is the excuse being made.
raavv [#3]bro came in mid-season and won them champs now they want him gone. sad for my king but im sure some other good orgs will happily take him and value him
anyone know if he speaks english? any region would love him im sure
WHAT SIMON DID U DIDNT MENTION
Anzaldinho [#18]what in the gumayushi smash is this
gumayusi didnt have bad pro player attitude in game
raavv [#3]bro came in mid-season and won them champs now they want him gone. sad for my king but im sure some other good orgs will happily take him and value him
anyone know if he speaks english? any region would love him im sure
https://www.vlr.gg/473421/the-biggest-misunderstanding-in-vct-cn/#10
Hades_Loves_Rb [#7]Not saying I agree/disagree but want to point out Smoggy performed horribly at Bangkok
https://www.vlr.gg/473529/nobody-cares-s0mon
just see it.only simon did wrong
Toph_ [#25]Especially “IF” again HOW can he put in the same effort with objectively LESS time use your head instead of blindly glazing the team. Nothing about this post indicates S1mon wasn’t listening it is strictly implied due to someone working harder than him.
- EDG players then release full statements about the situation (TLDR: S1Mon is consistely fooling around in practice (on his phone), asking what he should do, being lost, not comming at all, not interacting with the team unless being asked to)
- Jieni (who I can back up as a hard worker, and supported by many popular streamers), was a duelist main but is praccing as other roles in order to help the team
Ullyr [#35]Nah s1mon is donezo if that his problem is communication and snaking friends and org after bench is not seen as good...
I think his career is cooked. Like, Loris Karius levels of cooked and it's all his fault while it wasn't Karius' fault what happened in 2018.
edit: Sorry I have no idea what came over me to start talking about Loris Karius.
Welp EDG isn’t winning another champs again without S1mon, his util was literally godly in champs. But yes he’s cooked and not wanting to comm or bond with teammates is crazy. So far it seems like he is the issue. I wonder if there’s any racism or bullying going on (iykyk) but I don’t want to speculate.
arielcsgo [#37]Welp EDG isn’t winning another champs again without S1mon, his util was literally godly in champs. But yes he’s cooked and not wanting to comm or bond with teammates is crazy. So far it seems like he is the issue. I wonder if there’s any racism or bullying going on (iykyk) but I don’t want to speculate.
thats totally fine.... lets say everyone is evil except simon on that team, right ? if thats the case, why is he trying to get back on the starting roster? all ur teammates hate u, and u still want to play with them ? that doesnt make sense, does it? whatver might be the case, the only solution to this problem is to leave the roster and try elsewhere ; if not, he might ruin his whole career
cxrsedval [#2]damn i feel bad for s1mon, he won edg champs and this is the treatment he gets?
i take back what i say.
CarnageBTC [#38]thats totally fine.... lets say everyone is evil except simon on that team, right ? if thats the case, why is he trying to get back on the starting roster? all ur teammates hate u, and u still want to play with them ? that doesnt make sense, does it? whatver might be the case, the only solution to this problem is to leave the roster and try elsewhere ; if not, he might ruin his whole career
Yea thats why i said hes cooked. I just finished looking thru all the statements on weibo and the 3 of them are against him. And kangkang was really kind to him during champs and the members r known to be pretty chill especially nobody. But still aqua was pretty mean and not listening to s1mon in the dms. So i’ll wait for more info released before speculating. As of now its way too confusing to make any conclusion fr.
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