morality and discrimination debate

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Cryptic88

for those who are bashing riot for partnering with ewc, i dont like riot but you have to understand that in this world, money talks. maybe you guys dont have jobs or like me, havent graduated uni yet, but in society, money is what keeps this world running and successful. you can make this society more morally right but if it heavily compromises money, obviously money must be chosen over morals.

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XD

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Sources (questionable reliability) have told me you acted tansphobic during gc. Is this true?

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FALSE.

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Yuniee44

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thanks for the lecture brother I didnt even know what money was until now maybe you should make a video essay about this

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Cryptic88

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no thanks i dont do editing. however, im pretty sure i will be given an essay question similar to this so i would let you know if my argument gets good marks.

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not looking good for you

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Open a thesaurus

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Also, reminder for those from america and europe that the world doesn't always revolve around you. Respect people from asia

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Neonfreak

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Trueeeee. While you're at it, can you tell Saudi to respect gay people and women

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1One1

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It is otherwise, can you respect country who don't support you value?

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Neonfreak

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You are asking me to respect a country that I can legally be killed in for loving someone. Also, I'm not trying to change Saudi Arabia's laws, I'm criticizing Riot

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1One1

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Clearly western media brainwash you, just go to several country in asia, broaden your knowledge

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In 2022, three years ago, three people were convicted of sodomy and decapitated in Saudi Arabia. Countries in Asia have varying social policies so idk why you are generalizing a continent.

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Give me anal sex or give me death

What a hill to die on

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Neonfreak

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Is being straight just sex? Or is it also loving a person and being in a relationship with them? I will always die on the hill that I should be able to love someone fuck off

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No one is gonna kill u for being gay in Saudi

Same shit said about the WC and nothing happened

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Neonfreak

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Prob not killed just imprisoned yay

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1One1

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Just go to any country who don't support those community, you will see they will feel disgusted with this topic

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Cryptic88

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exactly. there was one incident that happened in malaysia. i think this group supported trans or smth and the government told them to not do gay shit on stage cuz yk they are muslim. guess what, in the middle of the concert, they called out the government and said they dont need to listen to the gov and 2 men from the band kissed. after the concert, they immediately boarded the plane and dipped. the local vendors who depended on the concert for a living were basically fucked.

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So let me get this straight, they left because they didn't like the homopobic culture and you are complaining that the vendors got fucked, i thought if you didn't like it you should just leave which is exactly what they did.

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Cryptic88

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im sorry but the quran forbids this. this band also chose to perform in a muslim country and agreed not to do this gay shit. the quran is the same as your bible or whatever your religion is. their religion forbids this and have been like this for ages. countries like palestine and most middle east countries practice this religion. if you want to perform in the country, be respectful to their culture

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It doesn't say they should be put to death and yet that's what happens. It's got nothing to do with the book, the leaders just want more boogiemen.

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Bigfish

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live and let live brother, except in saudi arabia they dont let ppl who are different live how can you think thats right?

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kingofskibidi

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muhammad raped a 9 year old girl, I'm sorry but basing your beliefs on his teachings disgusts me

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Cryptic88

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im sorry but palestine also based their beliefs on this and no im not muslim and dont base my beliefs on his teachings. im just using what they believe in malaysia as the standard for why its fucked up from the perspective of the people.

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kingofskibidi

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I don't want to get in a debate about Palestine but the point there is that they may hold bigoted beliefs but that does not excuse the Israeli government to kill thousands of children

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Cryptic88

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agreed. no children should be killed on either side. both sides are not absolved of any responsibility they hold because of the conflict

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Real SHI.(No hate)

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As a Malaysian i feel i should add context to this topic as it was very heated in Malaysia but the reason it was a big incident was because everyone knew the band (1975) members were gay, even the government, however the Government still let them perform as they respect their band and also the amounts of fan they have in Malaysia. The only condition is for them to keep in private like how any celebrities would keep their relationship private, do it anywhere u like but just not on stage for everyone to see, that WAS the only condition the government set, which is a very fair one in my opinion, because its a matter of respect, i respect your relationship and your music, i only ask of you to respect my culture. In the end not even an hour in, the two gay members proceed to curse and throw shade at the government, and then kiss in front of everyone ( not even a peck but a full kiss ), which not just piss off the government as they were completely blindsided by the disrespect, but also the fans and citizens of Malaysia cause nationalism and also utter lack of common sense.

Note - ( i support LGBTQ and even have quite a numbers of friends in Malaysia that is part of that communities, its actually pretty prevalent and most people know about it but they wont do anything as long as it doesnt affect them )

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WTF is their brain screwed or do they really have a brain

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JesusisLord

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Why are people disliking facts?, Different cultures and beliefs, I don't understand how people feel entitled to force their beliefs on others.
Clarification: Killing people is wrong this is common sense so didn't add it.

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1One1

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Yes, they should keep it for themself

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kingofskibidi

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bro is forcing his beliefs on others with his name

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JesusisLord

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This is ragebait right?

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kingofskibidi

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It literally is forcing your beliefs on others, you are putting your beliefs front and centre onto your account. Imagine if my name was godisntreal, I would clearly be forcing my beliefs on you.

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JesusisLord

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No I won't, I will ignore it Completely, Idk how people are taking it so seriously, my reason is for fellow christians to see it and know, Like Imagine me bitching that someone put their lgbtq flag on their username, It is A NAME.

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kingofskibidi

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I am merely pointing out your hypocrisy

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JesusisLord

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I still find it hard to understand your point, My earlier post legits says Different culture and beliefs, as we shouldn't be butthurt someone else doesn't agree with us, As I said I won't care is someone else believes God is a fictional floating bearded man in the skies that is their beliefs.

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kingofskibidi

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The vast majority of the outrage is not due to the beliefs the Saudi people hold but rather the laws that kill people for being gay or complaining about the king. That isnt just culture it is a violation of human rights due to faith based dogma which needs to be deconstructed.

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JesusisLord

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If you had some context, I was supporting the notion of other places exist outside america and uk, I Personally don't agree with killing as it is against my beliefs(and morals), I wanted to edit my post to clarify that I don't agree with violations with human rights but decided they wasn't a need, seems I was wrong.

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JesusisLord

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Taking your criticism to heart I would change my name from JesusIsLord to JesusIsMyLord, Hope that helps, May you have a blessed day.

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This argument lacks nuance. Riot has the opportunity to make money on offseason tournaments anywhere. This isn't a discussion of Riot choosing between Saudi Arabia and bankruptcy, it's corporate greed trumping the "values" of the company and its players. I think it's fair for the consumers of that company to be upset. Some of us have jobs, have gone to uni, and still don't defend companies for doing anything for money.

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Cryptic88

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im not trying to say riot is choosing between bankruptcy and saudi arabia. im trying to say that in anyone's pursuit of money, not just riot, they will corrupt or compromise their values because they want more. for example, you work for a company like coca cola who supports the war. would you resign because of that fact? no you wouldnt because you need your job to feed your family at home. would you attack your company for supporting said war and risk your job?

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Neonfreak

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You are comparing someone needing a job to survive and a company wantingmore money from Saudi rather than STILL making a profit at a different offseason tournament somewhere else. It's not the same thing at all, because one is out of necessity and one is out of greed.

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Cryptic88

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well fact is that they wont make as much of a profit from a diff offseason tournament. just want to clarify that if they worked with china who doesnt fuck with this shit as well and are potentially scummy bcz of rumours of xinjiang, would u say the same thing?

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kingofskibidi

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Does china kill people for being gay?

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Neonfreak

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China also has a lot of human rights violations and definitely isn't ideal but Riot is owned by a Chinese company so I'm trying to work within what's feasible

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Cryptic88

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yes! this is the point im trying to make. i wasnt necessarily point at the ewc but on how you have to make deals with companies and countries that may be shady in general, therefore compromising morals for money.

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There are levels. It is true that China has human rights violations against Muslims and definitely isn't pro LGBTQ but they also don't criminalize it and have a many more freedoms for women. Imo as a consumer you have to choose between the lesser of evils all the time. I still make moral decisions with my money but sometimes there are no perfect options.

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Cryptic88

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U may not know this but you would be surprised that in Saudi, women can actually drive and walk in the streets on their own and wear the clothing they like. Also, I do agree w u. Sometimes, there are no perfect options because it forces u to choose between morals or money.

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you say "within what's feasible" as if engaging in valorant content (and by so helping riot profit) is a necessity for life

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"Corporate greed" is redundant, its their whole reason to exist.

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In my opinion, corporate greed is when companies forsake moral values to make the most amount of money they can in any way possible. A company's job is to make money but to do it ethically.

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Liwus

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Its just a matter of balance between how much money they gain and how much money they lose if they stop being appealing to a certain demography.

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obviously money must be chosen over morals.

holy shit

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Cryptic88

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how about u put in the proper context

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nah the context doesn't help. Its still cooked </3

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Curtymac7

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just put the fries in the bag lil bro

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lowkey stupid when america arms them and allies w them

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america is highkey stupid not lowkey stupid so

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reading comprehension 🗿

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Effluxi

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no I knew what you meant I just can't ignore an easy potshot at america

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Me when supporting suffering on a large scale is ok because I got paid for it

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Cryptic88

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u dont have to support it. u just dont have to talk about these companies that are the very ones who provide your living.

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Participating in EWC is supporting Saudi Arabia and by extensions the human rights abuses it commits

And Riot nor most of the orgs participating even need the money EWC provides, it's just corporate greed and lack of principle

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rtg9000

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yeah dawg stfu

the souless entities of companies have no inherent value, it's the hard work of those working under them which actually contribute to society, no one should feel indebted to a company

cuck ass mindset joycat

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countries gets destroyed for having oil in their soil and they are crying about human rights
it does not exist bro