Why haven't we seen GC teams improve?

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Since about 2022 people have been saying that it's only a matter of time till we see a full GC team that can at least compete in T2. But the undisputed best GC team of all time just bombed out of challengers with a 1-8 map record, clearly being a tier below the other challengers teams in arguably the weakest year of NACL in a while.

Obviously florescent made it to T1 and has looked really good, but she'd always looked in a different league to the other GC players. The scene on the whole still looks as far behind T2 as it was in 2022. Why is this?

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i mean before they didnt even classify to t2
they're clearly evolving although it's much slower than expected

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laeDLaer

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because gc salary is comfy. no grind no struggle like rest of t2

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balax

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how many have a salary? out of the 8 teams in main event how many have a salary?

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All of them. How do you think Riot would look if the teams with women didn't get paid?

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foythvlr

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there was only two orgs at gc kickoff tho

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Teams don’t have the same drive to win compared to Tier 1 so team quality as a whole drops. Practices are less intense, teams don’t get as good as reps because everyone is kinda mid
If everyone in gc isn’t great at the game how you get better? For example, If I played in iron and never worked seriously to get better I’m probably not getting anything better than silver
Easy paycheck. Players who aren’t even good enough to play in tier 2 can just steal paychecks and don’t have to actual try
Why try in a league that has like the same pay as tier 2 and is hated by a large portion of the community, at that point just play ranked and hope to get picked up

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amazing how on your 2 key points you went 0/2.... that is isane.

Teams don’t have the same drive to win compared to Tier 1 so team quality as a whole drops. Practices are less intense, teams don’t get as good as reps because everyone is kinda mid

really? where is your proof of this that teams dont have the same drive? there is more proof of teams having drive than not having drive

Easy paycheck. Players who aren’t even good enough to play in tier 2 can just steal paychecks and don’t have to actual try

again, how many have a salary? out of the 8 teams in main event have a salary?

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Why do you think orgs keep dropping their gc teams? There is no drive for orgs to take it seriously and put effort into Fielding gc talent.

And players do get paid brother, and if they don’t get paid it still works in my favor cushy would they try for teams that don’t pay them😭

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Why do you think orgs keep dropping their gc teams? There is no drive for orgs to take it seriously and put effort into Fielding gc talent.

whose fault is that? the players? gtfo with that bs. just say you are clueless about things and move on

what orgs? sr and fly? thats it, you couldnt even answer my question, out of the 8 teawms in main event, how many have a salary?

and if they don’t get paid it still works in my favor cushy would they try for teams that don’t pay them😭

oh i dont know they might try more so they an org sees and picks them up? but elysxxm on vlr with a g2 flairs seems to know more than me

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Why would they try more when they aren’t getting paid? Why should money even matter if their whole purpose is to get picked up by better teams (which they all fail at) your just mad game changers teams are all dog shit and will never be good and gc is nothing without flor

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balax

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i couldnt care less if gc teams were ass for the next 5 years. what i find funny is people like you acting like you know everything about the gc scene. when you know fuck all and just glaze flor.

Why should money even matter

how about you do a job without pay, and when you ask your boss for pay. he replies why should money even matter, because that is what you are saying

your arguments have no basis and is going off some false thinking that is wrong, and is so stupid. 'we arent getting paid so we dont try, even if we do get paid we dont try.' so which is it? you cant have best of both worlds, one of those arguments have to be wrong because why did a FA team just win kickoff?

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elysxxm

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If I was working for someone and not getting paid why would I be working? Would you work at McDonald’s for free hoping a Michelin star restaurant would hire you?

And a free agency team won because they are better than the gc team that’s why

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your whole point begins with the principle that they play because they want to get easy money and not because they like the game and want to be the best
and that is not only wrong but a pretty sad way to see things

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elysxxm

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They aren’t doing a good job of being best so idk what to tell you.

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ehh just stop coping then? Lol

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elysxxm

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How am I coping

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the financial aspect point is kinda garbage, there are ppl who'll try their hardest even without monetary incentive

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foythvlr

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maybe they aren't, but they are trying. that's the whole point. you just assuming they are bad because they don't want to be good. sometimes they're just still working to be good and as disappointed with the losses as everyone

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I’m not assuming they’re bad because they don’t want be good. Is it not fair to say people with less pay (INCLUDING ANALYST AND COACHES) don’t have as many resources and therefore won’t be as good, also with the fact that we both know there are people in gc that don’t try. Just like there are people in tier that don’t try

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foythvlr

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there is people in gc that don't try, but theres also people even in T1 that don't try (the whole NRG situation last year). this is a not a GC problem or why GC isnt good yet. most of them are, in fact, trying

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what about the GC teams that dont get paid by orgs? is it still easy money for them, or do they play because they are passionate for the game?

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elysxxm

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I mean it’s fair they can be passionate but I’m allowed to call it stupid to play for free in an already underpaid and under appreciated league in hopes to someday make it to vct (which they most likely won’t)

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They couldn't even classify to challengers before, being there is an achievement if you see it with a different perspective.

Team Liquid Brazil and Mibr GC are also taking big steps in the BR scene, at least TL did win a match in challengers.

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i think they have improved tho
they couldn't qualify before, and now they just did
and it makes sense that they weren't immediately the best team, because again, they just barely qualified

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elysxxm

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Yeah but we’re in our 4th year of GC can’t we do a bit better than just qualifying?

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Aayan

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i mean i get being hopeful, but if you expected them to instantly become a top tier 2 team your expectations were way too high
just like anything you have to give it time, wanting for it to go faster isnt gonna make it go any faster

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elysxxm

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I expected them to at minimum win a game at this point. 4 years and like 1-3 challengers wins

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Idk I mean they qualified by being invited to closed quals where they only had to win 2 games, one of which was against another GC team. I feel like that's pretty on par with their showings in open quals in previous years

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fictional

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the league is performative activism at its finest. riot dont really care about it. and we are about to see an ex cheater and match fixer got a chance.

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51etatdequebec

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esports is all just marketing of course GC follows this principle a bit more obviously.

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snowconedeity

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Riot doesn’t care about GC, only pretends to (i mean they’re participating in the EWC ffs). not to mention I think Roy brought it up in a tweet that a lot of GC players tend to just do whatever in terms of comps and style, and most lack actual cohesion which works in PUG settings but falters against stronger opponents. Either way, i think SRG was destined to not perform great at the start of challengers simply because of the entire scenes pressure residing on their performance. Don’t know why dodonut just dipped to tokyo before their most important match though kinda shitty. Overall I think Riot just needs to rework or reinvigorate it alongside T2 instead of pretending they care

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cameran

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Cuz most better teams dont wanna scrim GC teams so they have no form of practice lol, i doubt srg even scrim as well. Kinda like rankers where they dont rlly care

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loapoarg

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You dont need a coach to get better
drive is what needed there are infinite videos of how to get better in pro valorant in youtube and other platforms
Most NA GC teams dont even have a proper execute with all util
Even with no org no money you need to show the passion to get better or picked by orgs
They just fking play the game without any goal senslessly

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BEHEMOTH

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If you keep getting carried to trophies every year then you're not gonna improve lmao

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one gc team for the first time made it to t2 this year, just one step at a time