Furia reportedly will play with NA players on the first match of kickoff. The main roster is having visa problems and likely won't get on LA on time to play the match, so they're working with subs for at least the first match. The names haven't been announced but will probably be for the next few days. Any predictions?
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awaky [#5]yeah
Riot seriously won't delay either there's no way the match counts if nobody can make it
Galactc [#6]Riot seriously won't delay either there's no way the match counts if nobody can make it
theyre playing with OG sen theyre literally better rn lol
Galactc [#3]Wait the entire roster can't make it???
From what i understood, yeah. According to the manager of the team, the immigration agent was very ignorant regarding e-sports and didn't even know what Valorant was. Lol
They already have their visas but still have some legal procedures to do and probably aren't going to make it
Mkael_J_Kabo0s3 [#9]do we know who the subs are gonna be?
they're waiting to be sure if the players can make it (likely can't but not confirmed) to announce it but they already reportedly have a lineup
Shadow_Monarch [#7]Thanks for the update. Need to modify the pickems now.
any sane people would not have to change their pick'ems
for anyone who is reading this thread,
no, there's no idea rn as to who will play for furia. like op said they have a roster, but they aren't going to reveal it prob until wednesday-ish. i assume they'll get whoever but there are some br or latam players who they could get that probably have visas bc they previously were in la
gamergirl [#4]shahzam dapr sick sinatraa zombs is what theyve been scrimming with
is this confirmed?
Prancer [#13]What'd riot do?
Choose USA when brazilians and other LATAM people always have rough time to get their visas.
Prancer [#13]What'd riot do?
Can't the schedules be made more flexible? If things stay like this, every year SA teams will face visa issues, and that will directly impact their results.
Prancer [#13]What'd riot do?
nothing, they just need someone to blame.
LOUD, MIBR AND 2G all made it, this is not riots fault at all.
shzuo [#22]Choose USA when brazilians and other LATAM people always have rough time to get their visas.
pretty sure it would be the same the otherway if they chose to do it somewhere in LATAM. Also LA is where Riot Games is based in so it makes sense
1243 [#24]nothing, they just need someone to blame.
LOUD, MIBR AND 2G all made it, this is not riots fault at all.
mibr got their visa's this weekend, they almost face the same problem
gamergirl [#4]shahzam dapr sick sinatraa zombs is what theyve been scrimming with
a close source to me said is yay - marved - victor - crashies - fns
alienista1 [#23]Can't the schedules be made more flexible? If things stay like this, every year SA teams will face visa issues, and that will directly impact their results.
why would they change schedule for one team's incompetence when all the others made it?
wigglx [#26]mibr got their visa's this weekend, they almost face the same problem
they got it, didn't they? they did something right and furia should learn from them
1243 [#24]nothing, they just need someone to blame.
LOUD, MIBR AND 2G all made it, this is not riots fault at all.
KRU have problems with Adverso;
Koy wasn't with his team on the first matches for Furia last year;
Carlão wasn't with his team on the first matches for Furia 2023;
MIBR had 2 players that couldn't play for split 2 for 2 matches last year;
Prancer [#13]What'd riot do?
i think we do need to have a discussion about making valorant an international league way too early when the game isn't established yet. every year of franchising we had problems with org estructure and immigration. i feel like franchising isn't a bad idea by itself but it was made way too early to be fair between regions
1243 [#28]why would they change schedule for one team's incompetence when all the others made it?
It is not an isolated incident. Visa issues happen every year, in all regions. There must be a way to solve this.
1243 [#29]they got it, didn't they? they did something right and furia should learn from them
You don't speak portuguese. All teams used the same agents/lawyers to get the visa in Brazil but the idiotic agent that went with Furia didn't know shit about esports and delayed them
alienista1 [#32]It is not an isolated incident. Visa issues happen every year, in all regions. There must be a way to solve this.
this, i agree. although you have to understand the costs of infrastructure needed to switch up a city.
1243 [#29]they got it, didn't they? they did something right and furia should learn from them
according to furia they made the application late november and went through the same legal procedures, the immigration agent that seemed very unprepared and didn't know what vct, valorant, or furia itself were, even though they proved to already been there two years in a row
shzuo [#33]You don't speak portuguese. All teams used the same agents/lawyers to get the visa in Brazil but the idiotic agent that went with Furia didn't know shit about esports and delayed them
seems like a problem on their end to me, could be wrong idk
Shadow_Monarch [#7]Thanks for the update. Need to modify the pickems now.
me too. feel like furia is likely losing to 2G now even if they do make it with their main roster
bees [#38]Bruh this is shit like they're just fully out of a third of the season now?
they'il likely be there for match 2
problem is likely they will lose match 1 and start at lower bracket
foythvlr [#39]they'il likely be there for match 2
problem is likely they will lose match 1 and start at lower bracket
Oh, well that's better then. Imagine the run if they start in lower bracket and go all the way
1243 [#36]seems like a problem on their end to me, could be wrong idk
go find god, i don't think anything else will save you
Mkael_J_Kabo0s3 [#25]pretty sure it would be the same the otherway if they chose to do it somewhere in LATAM. Also LA is where Riot Games is based in so it makes sense
I get that but it's Americas region, not the USA region - it would actually be more fair if instead of LATAM and BR teams always getting fucked that sometimes teams the US also got fucked too for a change - I get it, RIOT can't rotate locations to LATAM but the players already have to leave their families and sacrifice way more than any team from US - this takes up scrimming time, jet lag is envolved and the VISA process is extremely annoying.
At the very very least RIOT should be a little bit more flexible and help the teams that they clearly put at disadvantage.
sklein [#43]go find god, i don't think anything else will save you
did I say anything wrong, they chose the wrong agent who was incompetent? how is this riots fault
god doesn't exist btw.
Navegazz [#44]I get that but it's Americas region, not the USA region - it would actually be more fair if instead of LATAM and BR teams always getting fucked that sometimes teams the US also got fucked too for a change - I get it, RIOT can't rotate locations to LATAM but the players already have to leave their families and sacrifice way more than any team from US - this takes up scrimming time, jet lag is envolved and the VISA process is extremely annoying.
At the very very least RIOT should be a little bit more flexible and help the teams that they clearly put at disadvantage.
good solution, brazil and latam get fucked so we should fuck us too
1243 [#34]this, i agree. although you have to understand the costs of infrastructure needed to switch up a city.
Yes, that's why he was arguing for more flexibility in the first - it's called the Americas region if you're gonna put anyone from outside the US in a tough spot at least be more flexible and help them out
1243 [#46]good solution, brazil and latam get fucked so we should fuck us too
this problem wouldn't happen in other regions tho
1243 [#46]good solution, brazil and latam get fucked so we should fuck us too
"I get it, RIOT can't rotate locations to LATAM" if you can't interpret basic text just say that
Cabo_ [#40]I bet 2G still loses against T2 americas talent
They beat the best tier 2 team in NA, I doubt they'll lose to this one.
alienista1 [#51]They beat the best tier 2 team in NA, I doubt they'll lose to this one.
they only beat them because they had tons of vods on m80 and they couldn't adapt to their playstyle ngl
Navegazz [#49]"I get it, RIOT can't rotate locations to LATAM" if you can't interpret basic text just say that
no you literally said the US should get fucked for a change
that's a lovely solution, please never take decisions for a big company
1243 [#45]did I say anything wrong, they chose the wrong agent who was incompetent? how is this riots fault
god doesn't exist btw.
brother either you're rage baiting or you're actually very very stupid
maybe both tho you never know
Navegazz [#54]brother either you're rage baiting or you're actually very very stupid
maybe both tho you never know
furia chose the wrong agent and that's riots fault. love it when people defend their nation's teams like some patriotic nationalistic revolutionary. drop the bias.
1243 [#53]no you literally said the US should get fucked for a change
that's a lovely solution, please never take decisions for a big company
I'm saying that it would only be fair - if the location of the VCT changes - since it is the Americas region - so that the US teams are on leveled playing failed with the teams from other regions - so instead of SA getting fucked consistently everyone would get fucked the exact same - do you understand now darling?
Navegazz [#56]I'm saying that it would only be fair - if the location of the VCT changes - since it is the Americas region - so that the US teams are on leveled playing failed with the teams from other regions - so instead of SA getting fucked consistently everyone would get fucked the exact same - do you understand now darling?
"only fair" this country experienced adversity let's make it fair by inflicting the same pain on others. yeah you might be braindead.
1243 [#55]furia chose the wrong agent and that's riots fault. love it when people defend their nation's teams like some patriotic nationalistic revolutionary. drop the bias.
what fucking nation brother I'm literally portuguese born and raised
also they don't get to choose the agent you brainrotted child
1243 [#58]"only fair" this country experienced adversity let's make it fair by inflicting the same pain on others. yeah you might be braindead.
ok I'll assume you actually have 54IQ and argue - what is the pain in this case?
Navegazz [#59]what fucking nation brother I'm literally portuguese born and raised
also they don't get to choose the agent you brainrotted child
projecting? "they don't get to choose the agent" do you have any sources or you like to make shit up like little bitch you are
Navegazz [#60]ok I'll assume you actually have 54IQ and argue - what is the pain in this case?
? LOL you need to get yourself checked
this is an analogy, plus the pain could be considered the visa issues
1243 [#61]projecting? "they don't get to choose the agent" do you have any sources or you like to make shit up like little bitch you are
The source is that I speak portuguese and Luk said that the same professionals were used in every BR and LATAM team across the board
1243 [#62]? LOL you need to get yourself checked
this is an analogy, plus the pain could be considered the visa issues
Ok I'll make it simple for you - let's replace the VISA problem with a 60kg load
I'm travelling with 2 other friends - what do you think would be best - if one person carried the entire 60kg or if each person carried 20kg?
Navegazz [#60]ok I'll assume you actually have 54IQ and argue - what is the pain in this case?
anyway you look at it, you might be the most stupidest person cause why would anyone think "oh this region faced an issue, in stead of finding an optimal or compromising solutions, let's make it fair by inflicting same things on other regions which doesn't solve the initial problem but creates more issues in itself"
MASTERCLASS, people should learn decision making from your retarded ass.
expected from retarded portuguese though, there are a lot of you and your country doesn't contribute anything to this world, stay in that shit hole.
1243 [#61]projecting? "they don't get to choose the agent" do you have any sources or you like to make shit up like little bitch you are
Also really need a source to get to the fact that you don't choose the agent, really - you don't see any problem if that was the case?
This is actually so funny
Navegazz [#63]The source is that I speak portuguese and Luk said that the same professionals were used in every BR and LATAM team across the board
LOL, so furia should have supported them better cause other teams didn't face any problems
Navegazz [#66]Also really need a source to get to the fact that you don't choose the agent, really - you don't see any problem if that was the case?
This is actually so funny
there are immense problems with that, but if everyone got the same quality of agents, it should be more apparent that it's furia's fault, you probably don't understand logic though and that's fine.
x_knowitall39_x [#67]classic fuckria
an entire roster having visa problems? what is but a management fuck up
theyre trying it since october 9th its not orgs fault
1243 [#65]anyway you look at it, you might be the most stupidest person cause why would anyone think "oh this region faced an issue, in stead of finding an optimal or compromising solutions, let's make it fair by inflicting same things on other regions which doesn't solve the initial problem but creates more issues in itself"
MASTERCLASS, people should learn decision making from your retarded ass.
expected from retarded portuguese though, there are a lot of you and your country doesn't contribute anything to this world, stay in that shit hole.
Brother even if you fix the VISA, the time it takes to travel, the jet lag and everything else puts teams that are not from the US at a disadvantage - and this is so flamming hot THAT LEO FARIA SAID IT ALREADY WHEN TALKING WITH TARIK
also don't be calling people retards when reading a basic text is that difficult to you
Navegazz [#72]Brother even if you fix the VISA, the time it takes to travel, the jet lag and everything else puts teams that are not from the US at a disadvantage - and this is so flamming hot THAT LEO FARIA SAID IT ALREADY WHEN TALKING WITH TARIK
also don't be calling people retards when reading a basic text is that difficult to you
propose a fucking solution the genius.
might be better than crying
tatubolinha [#71]theyre trying it since october 9th its not orgs fault
nah 3 months and still no visa is insane
1243 [#73]propose a fucking solution the genius.
might be better than crying
So now that my point was proven we will move the goalpost to...
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the solution!
for everyone saying its ORGs fault, surely you never had to pass through all VISA process to fly from South America. Even KRU manager said they sent 120 emails about them VISA and adverso will not make it to KRU first match.
The process is completely random without clear protocols between consulate agents
Navegazz [#77]So now that my point was proven we will move the goalpost to...
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the solution!
don't need no solution, it's just that your ass thinks riot should cause the same harm to other regions because your silly little brazillian portuguese speaking people can't handle s little jet lag
1243 [#79]don't need no solution, it's just that your ass thinks riot should cause the same harm to other regions because your silly little brazillian portuguese speaking people can't handle s little jet lag
what is brazillian portuguese brother
1243 [#46]good solution, brazil and latam get fucked so we should fuck us too
no cuz why is it only fair that the Brazilians r the ones that suffers year after year?
ur mentality is just "oh they get fucked so we should also get fucked"
"inflicting the pain on others"
cuz explain to me why are americans entitled to the prime best locations for them for years straight when the other half of vct americas has to travel halfway around the globe and apply for work visas year after year after year and travel away from their families and friends?
why is it always the bottom half of the americas that has to compensate for the teams in the US?
smthlikeyou11 [#82]no cuz why is it only fair that the Brazilians r the ones that suffers year after year?
ur mentality is just "oh they get fucked so we should also get fucked"
"inflicting the pain on others"
cuz explain to me why are americans entitled to the prime best locations for them for years straight when the other half of vct americas has to travel halfway around the globe and apply for work visas year after year after year and travel away from their families and friends?
why is it always the bottom half of the americas that has to compensate for the teams in the US?
have you ever thought about no one suffering? great that ends our debate
1243 [#83]have you ever thought about no one suffering? great that ends our debate
propose me a actual solution that no one suffers instead of js saying oh the best solution is no one suffers
well no shit
but thats not possible
talk to me, i would love to hear
smthlikeyou11 [#84]propose me a actual solution that no one suffers instead of js saying oh the best solution is no one suffers
well no shit
but thats not possible
talk to me, i would love to hear
is that my job? i don't care about what you ask of me
foythvlr [#37]me too. feel like furia is likely losing to 2G now even if they do make it with their main roster
Who else do they have besides Shahzam? If they dont have signed players for FUR dont they have to forfeit the match?
1243 [#85]is that my job? i don't care about what you ask of me
so u talk about "implementing" a solution that no one suffers but u cant even mutter a single sentence to back up that claim
that sums it up lmfao ur just a selfish american that is never willing to sacrifice and think all the others should be entitled to change for you and you get everything handed to you on a silver platter
unless u can think of a solution better than mines my point stands
the moment someone disagrees with u u start acting all pouty and start throwing personal attacks and projections lmfao
shows ur maturity level
although ur 16 so idk what i expected better
Navegazz [#66]Also really need a source to get to the fact that you don't choose the agent, really - you don't see any problem if that was the case?
This is actually so funny
mano tu tás literalmente a falar com uma parede hahaha
smthlikeyou11 [#87]so u talk about "implementing" a solution that no one suffers but u cant even mutter a single sentence to back up that claim
that sums it up lmfao ur just a selfish american that is never willing to sacrifice and think all the others should be entitled to change for you and you get everything handed to you on a silver platter
unless u can think of a solution better than mines my point stands
the moment someone disagrees with u u start acting all pouty and start throwing personal attacks and projections lmfao
shows ur maturity level
although ur 16 so idk what i expected better
ok
1243 [#70]there are immense problems with that, but if everyone got the same quality of agents, it should be more apparent that it's furia's fault, you probably don't understand logic though and that's fine.
You are the reason shampoo bottles come with instructions
Cabo_ [#52]they only beat them because they had tons of vods on m80 and they couldn't adapt to their playstyle ngl
Its not like M80 didnt know who they were playing lol
Shadow_Monarch [#86]Who else do they have besides Shahzam? If they dont have signed players for FUR dont they have to forfeit the match?
they have a sub roster lined up, they're just waiting to confirm if the main one will make it or not to announce it
foythvlr [#39]they'il likely be there for match 2
problem is likely they will lose match 1 and start at lower bracket
I know who’s playing and they will win the match. They have nothing to lose!
valorantfan1 [#74]I'm from the future. YFP will play for furia
I believe you!!! They will also WIN!
tatubolinha [#78]for everyone saying its ORGs fault, surely you never had to pass through all VISA process to fly from South America. Even KRU manager said they sent 120 emails about them VISA and adverso will not make it to KRU first match.
The process is completely random without clear protocols between consulate agents
That doesn't explain how mibr 2g and loud managed to arrive in US tho while not 1 2 but 5 of FURIA hasn't arrived in US yet. I'm sorry if kru had to sent 120 messages about visa, but it seems that furia only sent 10...
IonlywatchvcjXD [#96]That doesn't explain how mibr 2g and loud managed to arrive in US tho while not 1 2 but 5 of FURIA hasn't arrived in US yet. I'm sorry if kru had to sent 120 messages about visa, but it seems that furia only sent 10...
"The process is completely random" "That doesnt explain"
Liwus [#97]"The process is completely random" "That doesnt explain"
Furia had to be incredibly unlucky if 5 of them aren't able to get into US.
LATAM seems like a great place to host Americas. Think it will give the region more of an identity regarding promotional material and we did have a solid ascensions finals at Monterrey. Relatively safe city for foreigners and is a great compromise for location. Issue is they need to announce a move like this really early to make sure these teams find housing and the legal paperwork for this.
JimmytheMick334 [#94]I know who’s playing and they will win the match. They have nothing to lose!
i believe in you, random vlr user
BLuko [#99]LATAM seems like a great place to host Americas. Think it will give the region more of an identity regarding promotional material and we did have a solid ascensions finals at Monterrey. Relatively safe city for foreigners and is a great compromise for location. Issue is they need to announce a move like this really early to make sure these teams find housing and the legal paperwork for this.
i think it will be rough everywhere. too different cultures and timezones for all the players to be satisfied. USA is probably the better place because its very diverse, but then we have visa issues. i think the main problem is having an international league when your main product isn't very widely spread yet. would probably be safer to separate into 2 conference leagues like LoL esports rn
foythvlr [#101]i think it will be rough everywhere. too different cultures and timezones for all the players to be satisfied. USA is probably the better place because its very diverse, but then we have visa issues. i think the main problem is having an international league when your main product isn't very widely spread yet. would probably be safer to separate into 2 conference leagues like LoL esports rn
Thats true. I think its cool Americas happens in the Riot arena (similar to LCS). It's just sucks to see LATAM and Brazil not getting some of the glory yk
Navegazz [#44]I get that but it's Americas region, not the USA region - it would actually be more fair if instead of LATAM and BR teams always getting fucked that sometimes teams the US also got fucked too for a change - I get it, RIOT can't rotate locations to LATAM but the players already have to leave their families and sacrifice way more than any team from US - this takes up scrimming time, jet lag is envolved and the VISA process is extremely annoying.
At the very very least RIOT should be a little bit more flexible and help the teams that they clearly put at disadvantage.
Realistically, there's not much they can do. Every regional event is held somewhere near a Riot Games HQ, and LA is where the BASE of their operations is located. It would be much more expensive for them to move it to somewhere out of the US, therefore making every event they held be foreign and become a logistical nightmare. I don't agree that US teams should get screwed; instead, it's just shifting the problems. All other LATAM teams were able to secure visas and get there on time(mibr iirc had some problem but was able to make it). Its genuinely unfortunate that FURIA had this problem and they got the short end of the stick because it sounds like they did the standard procedure. VCT schedules are strict and it would probably ruin the flow of events which is why they don't postpone or adjust. It works differently for traditional sports which is why these traditional orgs can collaborate with governments to secure visas easier, but esports is still a grey area meaning that riot cant do much.
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