real human take

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wowowooww

inits who have excellent util usage but typically don't frag insane are the most underrated prototype in valorant which is crazy bc their arguably the most important role in a team. players like sacy, ethan, crashies, jonahp, simon, beyn etc will always be better and win more than compared to fragging inits like verno, trent, leo, eeiu.

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MrBulbe

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crazy how verno clears all the other people you mentioned

#3

BabyWizard

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Just wrong.

#4

dort

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awful take

not a single org is taking sacy over verno

#5

MrBulbe

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W take

#6

nutab1e

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valid until c0m wasn't there

#10

wowowooww

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hes in the etc

#16

Azzelastia

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C0M is a champs winner. One of the best ini in the world

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unknown_trash

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You are stupid. Leo has the best sova in EMEA and a fantastic initiator pool with which he can absolutely support his teammates with, because he has perfect util usage. You are defo a new gen if you think Leo is only good at fragging.

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sideshowsbaldhead

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leo has 1.5 trophies eeiu has a regional trophy and you failed to mention riens who is lowkey the best initiator in the world and choked 4 grand finals last year

#9

wowowooww

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brother, just bc u dont win the finals doesn't mean u don't have success.

#11

sideshowsbaldhead

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yeah i worded that poorly i mean that riens can shoot and has elite util and was on one of the most successful teams of the last year

#19

Azzelastia

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Fluking to the finals doesn't mean you are good.

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sideshowsbaldhead

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i like hating on emea as much as anyone but you don’t exactly fluke to 4/6 possible grand finals in a season lmao

#12

cloudberry

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+1. I've felt this way for so long. Players like cauanzin, Lakia, and MrFaliN feel invaluable to me

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bobwoblob

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L0kia 🤣🤣🤣

Cauanzin is actually good and frags.

#18

cloudberry

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inits who have excellent util usage but typically don't frag insane

cauanzin has been fragging more heavily nowadays but that just adds to his value imo

#14

kanyefan4238173

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what about someone who does both like trexx

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bE

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future goat

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kaninv

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the game is about killing people
it's required to kill people to win the rounds and the game

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destroylonely

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crazy how verno mogs everyone mentioned

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milflover92

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I agree, and I think it makes players like Verno, Trexx and Leo even better since they're able to do both. But in general I believe that fragging initiators aren't as valuable as the support ones, especially when a top tier duelist is around. In a scenario where firepower isn't present is the only real scenario I would take a fragger over a support initiator.