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how to learn a language

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Aayan

I've been learning Spanish for pretty much my whole life, from when I started school until I was 16, but I still can barely form a coherent sentence (just goes to show how the school system sucks at teaching foreign languages).

I'm watching mixwell's stream and I can't understand anything, he speaks soooo fast, but it's kind of inspiring since I want to learn how to understand a native speaker.

Are apps like Duolingo any good?

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Duolingo teaches you phrases you will never use

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duolingo useless

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duolingo lessons between sets at the gym 💪💪

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I genuinely don't know how people learned like 3 languages after the age of 7. I think Duolingo is pretty bad imo.

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immersion technique is prob the best. That's how many of not native speakers learn for ex. english. Just put on a show or read a book in a desired language, repeat many many many times and after some time you are gonna understand more and more. To start u may read a paragraph and then translate it or sth, or watch with subtitles. Just be aware that at first ur not gonna understand anything.

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Duolingo will teach you vocabulary and it's great for that, but I doubt it helps with the forming sentences part

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ikuno [#6]

immersion technique is prob the best. That's how many of not native speakers learn for ex. english. Just put on a show or read a book in a desired language, repeat many many many times and after some time you are gonna understand more and more. To start u may read a paragraph and then translate it or sth, or watch with subtitles. Just be aware that at first ur not gonna understand anything.

or play valorant in spanish also works(specific repetetive phrases tho), watching mixwell can be hard since as a native speaker he prob uses a lot of slang and/or phrases that work only in spanish and make no sense when translated. Just do what you love but in spanish. GL

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You should probably take classes with a specialized professional

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Idk I learned English and since then my Spanish has sucked ass but honestly the easiest way is probably to just live in Spain for some period of time and learn to speak the language but that's kinda hard to do unfortunately GCSE Spanish doesn't teach you very much you have to do it as an A-level if you want to actually learn it

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Read and watch videos on that language, but don't feel bad if you don't understand spanish I speak portuguese which is very similar to spanish and i still can't understand someone speaking spanish fast.

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Immersion is the best way. I don't recommend language apps, don't recommend tutors. You can learn a language completely free.

Read books or watch shows you find interesting (you can also watch streamers (though you said mixwell speaks a little fast, you could try starting with someone who speaks a little slower), or youtubers (if they added subtitles to their video even better)). It doesn't always have to originate from that country either, I know the community I'm in some people watch JP dubs of American television like recently someone watched Breaking Bad and another person watched Dune.

Be consistent. It's slow in the beginning and a little frustrating for sure but unless you need it in a jiffy then you shouldn't be in a rush, just have fun, that's the best part about the immersion method; that it's just watching/reading stuff you'd normally experience and enjoy just in another language.

Idk how it'd work specifically cause I'm not learning a latin language

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ikuno [#8]

or play valorant in spanish also works(specific repetetive phrases tho), watching mixwell can be hard since as a native speaker he prob uses a lot of slang and/or phrases that work only in spanish and make no sense when translated. Just do what you love but in spanish. GL

Yeah I think ima do that, I'm a native English speaker but I still find I learn words or phrases from shows so it does seem to be a very nice technique

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Galactc [#10]

Idk I learned English and since then my Spanish has sucked ass but honestly the easiest way is probably to just live in Spain for some period of time and learn to speak the language but that's kinda hard to do unfortunately GCSE Spanish doesn't teach you very much you have to do it as an A-level if you want to actually learn it

fr GCSE Spanish taught be how to say I've been on holiday like 6 different ways in like 8 different forms of past tense
tbh I never considered taking it for A level after the GCSE experience

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Aayan
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saebr [#12]

Immersion is the best way. I don't recommend language apps, don't recommend tutors. You can learn a language completely free.

Read books or watch shows you find interesting (you can also watch streamers (though you said mixwell speaks a little fast, you could try starting with someone who speaks a little slower), or youtubers (if they added subtitles to their video even better)). It doesn't always have to originate from that country either, I know the community I'm in some people watch JP dubs of American television like recently someone watched Breaking Bad and another person watched Dune.

Be consistent. It's slow in the beginning and a little frustrating for sure but unless you need it in a jiffy then you shouldn't be in a rush, just have fun, that's the best part about the immersion method; that it's just watching/reading stuff you'd normally experience and enjoy just in another language.

Idk how it'd work specifically cause I'm not learning a latin language

Yeah I think I'm going to try immersion as you and #6 mentioned.
What language are you learning btw?

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Aayan [#15]

Yeah I think I'm going to try immersion as you and #6 mentioned.
What language are you learning btw?

I'm learning japanese. 127 hours of reading, 37 hours of listening and 83 episodes of anime since then 😅

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Post #6
Foreigner languages teachers is useless, they are paid to do nothing, so even if you study in a public school for 6y, all u can do is say you name.

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Despite what others in this thread has said, I highly recommend language apps like Duolingo. It isn't as effective as immersion, but in my opinion language apps help give you a feel of the language, maybe teach some basic vocabulary. I use the basic foundation Duolingo gives me to better my overall comprehension when I do other language activities like immersion (for me it's listening to music and singing.)

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Give a spanish dude a blowie, thatl help u learn the language

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Aayan [#13]

Yeah I think ima do that, I'm a native English speaker but I still find I learn words or phrases from shows so it does seem to be a very nice technique

yeah, just wanted to add that duolingo is completely worthless, only good thing ab it is that u grind the language ig? if u really like accomplishing like 200 or 500 day streaks it may be a motivation but overall learning languages from there is not the best idea. I recommend anki flashcards(flashcards are the GOATS of learning vocab) and maybe some grammar from books, only if you dont understand it at all(usually after some time of working with a language it can come naturally, at least for me it is and i've heard others say similar things).

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Aayan [#14]

fr GCSE Spanish taught be how to say I've been on holiday like 6 different ways in like 8 different forms of past tense
tbh I never considered taking it for A level after the GCSE experience

That's fair I feel like you learn more about Spain and Latin America both historically and in the modern day I feel like it's more learning but also a majority is how much you can remember

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notnihso [#5]

I genuinely don't know how people learned like 3 languages after the age of 7. I think Duolingo is pretty bad imo.

it is easier to learn languages at younger ages

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Duolingo is helpful for tourists, but it probably won't help you become a fluent speaker.

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few things
thinking in the language
immersion in the language
vocab => being able to translate something you know into the foreign language helps u make connections
lack of embarrassment - it inhibits growth
being consistent - do 10-30 min daily rather than 4 hours in a day

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Try to learn basic vocabulary and gramatics first since spanish is very different from english in that sense, u gotta understand first how the language is structured and how to form sentences, then once u have a decent idea of that u will keep improving your vocabulary over time, hard thing about spanish are verbs but u will know when to use each with experience, also recommed inmmersing yourself and trying to be in contact with the language regularly/trying to always learn what something means if u dont understand a specific word/sentence, remember it takes time and each language has harder and easier aspects so just be consistent with it and remember that in order to learn a language u need to form strong lasting neural connections not just memorize stuff so do it at a sustainable pace in which maybe u dont learn a lot but what u learn u will remember. For spanish:

  • Hard stuff: basically verbs and understanding different accents/dialects/how natives word stuff
  • Easy stuff: very easy to understand compared to english, words are pronounced just like they are written
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Harapan845 [#2]

Duolingo teaches you phrases you will never use

I learned english, spanish and a bit of french in this app

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thiagomds [#26]

I learned english, spanish and a bit of french in this app

can you speak fluently?
were you exposed to those languages in the day to day?

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Harapan845 [#27]

can you speak fluently?
were you exposed to those languages in the day to day?

I can hold conversations but I can't say I'm fluenty cuz I don't have many opportunity to speak anymore. I use to study 2 hours a day 4 days a week for 7 months. I didn't know any english/spanish. There were many other things that help me a lot to learn faster and pracc my listening like watching movies and series (watch in the language you want to learn and the subtitle too). Magic the gathering(cardgame) help me too.

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thiagomds [#28]

I can hold conversations but I can't say I'm fluenty cuz I don't have many opportunity to speak anymore. I use to study 2 hours a day 4 days a week for 7 months. I didn't know any english/spanish. There were many other things that help me a lot to learn faster and pracc my listening like watching movies and series (watch in the language you want to learn and the subtitle too). Magic the gathering(cardgame) help me too.

the movies might have helped more since it is most of the time real conversation whatever language it is

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Harapan845 [#29]

the movies might have helped more since it is most of the time real conversation whatever language it is

Yes, but without the vocabulary and grammar is kinda difficult

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shaggyboy1030
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just go to private teacher and do a course of 6 months or so and you will learn the basics and then you can learn on your own if you want to know and understand that language further

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inlucid
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Harapan845 [#2]

Duolingo teaches you phrases you will never use

je suis un garçon y je mange une pomme

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Aayan [#14]

fr GCSE Spanish taught be how to say I've been on holiday like 6 different ways in like 8 different forms of past tense
tbh I never considered taking it for A level after the GCSE experience

Well but if you do come to Spain now you get to tell people you're on holiday in 6 different ways. Sounds useful to me

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DownLoad_AimLabs [#22]

it is easier to learn languages at younger ages

thats why he said after

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Yistyy [#4]

duolingo lessons between sets at the gym 💪💪

bro is efficiencymaxxing

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if you have money and time:
private lessons

if you don't:
just download anki, learn vocabulary and grammar in some guide and start watching series and podcast in Spanish, immersion is by far the easiest and best way to learn a language

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easy to learn when immersion. try using it via video games, streams, if your work allows some basic use, etc. most of my spanish is from being like "¿que es ___ en español?" "a, gracias" yk. or context. "¿cual es tu dolor?" as i say "¡el es un diablo!" as i hear. my written spanish is stinky stinky poo poo but I get by.

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moomoomoomeadows [#37]

easy to learn when immersion. try using it via video games, streams, if your work allows some basic use, etc. most of my spanish is from being like "¿que es ___ en español?" "a, gracias" yk. or context. "¿cual es tu dolor?" as i say "¡el es un diablo!" as i hear. my written spanish is stinky stinky poo poo but I get by.

i watch a lot of spanish tv related to my field (medicine/science) so i learn words that way aswell. try to be specific with your immersion so it actually interests you.

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thiagomds [#28]

I can hold conversations but I can't say I'm fluenty cuz I don't have many opportunity to speak anymore. I use to study 2 hours a day 4 days a week for 7 months. I didn't know any english/spanish. There were many other things that help me a lot to learn faster and pracc my listening like watching movies and series (watch in the language you want to learn and the subtitle too). Magic the gathering(cardgame) help me too.

I can see that it clearly didn't work

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DownLoad_AimLabs [#22]

it is easier to learn languages at younger ages

Typical American

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DownLoad_AimLabs
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K4ziuHa [#40]

Typical American

europoor trying to make fun of america is funny

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inlucid [#32]

je suis un garçon y je mange une pomme

C’est un cheval dans la pièce

#43
soonwookong
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classes and immersion, i know kids who played pokemon in german and watched german youtube as well as getting classes after hearing university is free there

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gambusia1302
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Immersion, watch tv series that you already know but in spanish for example

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DownLoad_AimLabs [#41]

europoor trying to make fun of america is funny

but that's true

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