A female valorant player has never made it tier 1 or even tier 2 for that fact i think. Is there a reason for that?
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Are Woman Biologically Worse than Men at Valorant?
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Cabo_ [#4]What do you think bro?
I mean I think they are biologically and physically worse at almost every aspect so it might be something with the biology
VB37 [#5]I mean I think they are biologically and physically worse at almost every aspect so it might be something with the biology
Not bait, but you ask a question you already answered for yourself retard. There is plenty of non valorant forums to be misogynistic on, no Idea why you chose to waste your time here. Grow up lil bro.
AstroGalaxy [#6]no
So why are they worse? Are they just incapable of doing well? There has to be a reason
chrlxz [#8]no of course not but its harder for them to grind up because of increased toxicity + lower level teams prob less likely to play w them
i think that the advantage that trans have in gc is bc they didnt face that they got to a higher level easier but idk really
I mean if a trend happens over and over again such as females losing to like.... tier 3 teams and trans men competing/dominanting in GC, it should be linked to something biological no?
HenBabyH [#12]HOW THE FUCK DO PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT MY BAITING WHEN PEOPLE POST STUPID SHIT LIKE THIS
stop crashing out, downvoted.
HenBabyH [#12]HOW THE FUCK DO PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT MY BAITING WHEN PEOPLE POST STUPID SHIT LIKE THIS
1 children hidden, i love that post, it inspired to make this, i am angry at the state of this site
Yuniee44 [#9]Not bait, but you ask a question you already answered for yourself retard. There is plenty of non valorant forums to be misogynistic on, no Idea why you chose to waste your time here. Grow up lil bro.
Yea bro is my biggest fan, bro chasing me accross multiple forums, aigh bro if you mad just say it lmao, control your emotions you sound angry rn lil bro
VB37 [#3]Not bait, if you don't have the iq to come up with an answer just say so
https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Geguri
this woman disproves your entire argument, she is one of the most cracked overwatch players i’ve ever seen
HenBabyH [#17]https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Geguri
this woman disproves your entire argument, she is one of the most cracked overwatch players i’ve ever seen
One outlier or 1% of the total woman esports population is not significant enough to disprove an entire argument. If 99% of pro females are worse than 100% of male pros, there is a trend there
HenBabyH [#17]https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Geguri
this woman disproves your entire argument, she is one of the most cracked overwatch players i’ve ever seen
overwatch....
Dybala21 [#20]Why are we having this discussion? Aren't people on this site don't care about GC? Or people just jealous that SR won another tournament because they worked hard for it?
Did SR win an actual tournament or GC tournament? If it's GC please reconsider what you classify as a tournament
VB37 [#21]One outlier or 1% of the total woman esports population is not significant enough to disprove an entire argument. If 99% of pro females are worse than 100% of male pros, there is a trend there
dont want to hear it do you
Yuniee44 [#9]Not bait, but you ask a question you already answered for yourself retard. There is plenty of non valorant forums to be misogynistic on, no Idea why you chose to waste your time here. Grow up lil bro.
Misogynistic?? Look I disagree with op but you can’t just put labels on him bc you disagree
Yuniee44 [#9]Not bait, but you ask a question you already answered for yourself retard. There is plenty of non valorant forums to be misogynistic on, no Idea why you chose to waste your time here. Grow up lil bro.
If you think stating facts is misogyny, then it's you that's the problem. Facts are irrelevant to your personal feelings.
How far does a full team of biological women go in a mixed gender tournament? That should answer your question.
Harapan845 [#24]dont want to hear it do you
Yea buddy thats a great comeback to logical well thought out argument. Looks like someone is mad they're in the wrong
Tadpole3 [#25]0 8
You must be the 100T fan that burned down that girl 'spart of house
0/8 nt tho buddy, at least you tried to make an argument
VB37 [#21]One outlier or 1% of the total woman esports population is not significant enough to disprove an entire argument. If 99% of pro females are worse than 100% of male pros, there is a trend there
she is the perfect example of why woman aren’t prevalent in a lot of esports, it is not an issue of skill (as shown by her), it is a cultural issue. The amount of toxicity she faced during her overwatch tenure was INSANE. Why put yourself through so much toxicity and abuse for a shitty pay grade. Women are capable of all the things men do gaming wise, but there is no incentive for them to compete.
No
The reason none have made it is because none were good enough for it - which doesn't have to do with their biological makeup, but their individual skill.
Some of the best women are almost certainly good enough for t2, but have chosen not to make that leap for various reasons. Some have noted the financial stability of staying in GC as a probable reason.
since nobody is willing to give you an actual proper answer, i'll do it. as far as i know, there's no biological disadvantage for women, but there's 2 reasons why you aren't seeing them in tier 1 play. first, there's just less women interested in esports, so less opportunity for talent. secondly, the only "biological" disadvantage they might have is that women are more emotional, while being more rational is more important in valorant, but shouldn't really be a big deal tbh. i personally think that some gc pros could be in normal t1, but they may just be limited by the fact that gc tourneys are a thing, because no scout would ever look at gc tourneys to find a new player for their team. i think it's mostly that tbh.
VB37 [#30]0/8 nt tho buddy, at least you tried to make an argument
God please drown this guy in the next Genesis
cryvi [#34]since nobody is willing to give you an actual proper answer, i'll do it. as far as i know, there's no biological disadvantage for women, but there's 2 reasons why you aren't seeing them in tier 1 play. first, there's just less women interested in esports, so less opportunity for talent. secondly, the only "biological" disadvantage they might have is that women are more emotional, while being more rational is more important in valorant, but shouldn't really be a big deal tbh. i personally think that some gc pros could be in normal t1, but they may just be limited by the fact that gc tourneys are a thing, because no scout would ever look at gc tourneys to find a new player for their team. i think it's mostly that tbh.
As another commentator stated, financial stability may play a role in it too. Who's going to leave the top of GC which probably brings in a good amount of money for a shaky t2 org. Despite this being said, I wish some more took the leap to showcase their abilities and see how the best GC team pairs up against some contenders. As far as ik only SR has tried, but it was disappointing only placing top 32 in tier 2 open quals
VB37 [#29]Yea buddy thats a great comeback to logical well thought out argument. Looks like someone is mad they're in the wrong
dawg you were shown proof that women can hang with the male pros and it is not like she was just ok she was dominating. what she should have been was a stepping stone for more women to play video games professionally but mostly likely due to the misogyny in esports and video games as a whole they have not.
VB37 [#15]1 children hidden, i love that post, it inspired to make this, i am angry at the state of this site
do not rope me in with your antics, im NOT your inspiration
HenBabyH [#12]HOW THE FUCK DO PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT MY BAITING WHEN PEOPLE POST STUPID SHIT LIKE THIS
actually valid ur normal braindead this guy is genuinely fuckin retarded sorry u had to read this h0nb00byh
Harapan845 [#38]dawg you were shown proof that women can hang with the male pros and it is not like she was just ok she was dominating. what she should have been was a stepping stone for more women to play video games professionally but mostly likely due to the misogyny in esports and video games as a whole they have not.
Michael Jordan had a 48 inch vertical. He is a human. All humans must therefore have a 48 inch vertical right?
cryvi [#34]since nobody is willing to give you an actual proper answer, i'll do it. as far as i know, there's no biological disadvantage for women, but there's 2 reasons why you aren't seeing them in tier 1 play. first, there's just less women interested in esports, so less opportunity for talent. secondly, the only "biological" disadvantage they might have is that women are more emotional, while being more rational is more important in valorant, but shouldn't really be a big deal tbh. i personally think that some gc pros could be in normal t1, but they may just be limited by the fact that gc tourneys are a thing, because no scout would ever look at gc tourneys to find a new player for their team. i think it's mostly that tbh.
Women being more emotional is not really a biological thing though. It's more a cultural and social thing.
sideshowsbaldhead [#40]actually valid ur normal braindead this guy is genuinely fuckin retarded sorry u had to read this h0nb00byh
thank you
Tadpole3 [#35]God please drown this guy in the next Genesis
Yea you let the emotions get the better of you. I'm just right, you aren't buddy
VB37 [#41]Michael Jordan had a 48 inch vertical. He is a human. All humans must therefore have a 48 inch vertical right?
`Yea buddy thats a great comeback to logical well thought out argument. Looks like someone is mad they're in the wrong
not once did I say that other women could be as good as her even though some may surpass her.
VB37 [#5]I mean I think they are biologically and physically worse at almost every aspect so it might be something with the biology
Who has better pussy tho.. men or women
VB37 [#13]I mean if a trend happens over and over again such as females losing to like.... tier 3 teams and trans men competing/dominanting in GC, it should be linked to something biological no?
no its something cultural. they were brought up as men and because of that they got more opportunities and were more encouraged to play than women.
VB37 [#41]Michael Jordan had a 48 inch vertical. He is a human. All humans must therefore have a 48 inch vertical right?
also there are plenty of men with high verts
Two_Percent [#26]Misogynistic?? Look I disagree with op but you can’t just put labels on him bc you disagree
saying that women are "biologically and physically worst at almost every aspect" is most definitely misogynistic lmao
Harapan845 [#45]`Yea buddy thats a great comeback to logical well thought out argument. Looks like someone is mad they're in the wrong
not once did I say that other women could be as good as her even though some may surpass her.
My argument is are woman biologically worse than men at video games. This is not can the very peak outlier singular woman outperform a man. This is why is the average pro woman 90% worse than the average pro man.
HenBabyH [#17]https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Geguri
this woman disproves your entire argument, she is one of the most cracked overwatch players i’ve ever seen
u know nothing about OWL if youre bringing up geguri LOL u dont even realize how funny it is
sideshowsbaldhead [#40]actually valid ur normal braindead this guy is genuinely fuckin retarded sorry u had to read this h0nb00byh
"fLaiR" lookin headahh. Bro made fun of 100t despite having PANAMA and a WOMAN team as his flair. nt bro thats the lowest of lows
VB37 [#50]My argument is are woman biologically worse than men at video games. This is not can the very peak outlier singular woman outperform a man. This is why is the average pro woman 90% worse than the average pro man.
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she is an outlier but that does not mean women cant be close to her in terms of skill
GambleNats [#36]less people = worse pool of players
this is the real reason.
Lot less women play valorant than men
This
And even of the women that play, i'd say that most of them aren't taking the game as seriously as men generally do. All the girls I personally know that play don't grind comp and prefer to play swiftplay and unrated for the most part. Meanwhile i've been in customs at 3 AM making lineups with the boys.
So yeah when you have a very small talent pool of players that are fully dedicated to competing the chance that you get a t1 talent (there's like what, 40 slots in t1 rn?) is super low.
StutterSt3p [#42]Women being more emotional is not really a biological thing though. It's more a cultural and social thing.
this is true, that's why i put biological in quotation marks. i'm not too sure if this is fully, partially, or not at all emotional, but hormones prolly have something to do with it so idk
Danny [#49]saying that women are "biologically and physically worst at almost every aspect" is most definitely misogynistic lmao
My bad, context clues aren't enough for you. I made a logical statement that woman are biologically and physically worse at almost every aspect in GAMING, which stands true considering no pro woman can compete in T1
dort [#58]they could easily be tier 1 if they watched s0ms aim routine
Wait you're my inspiration for these posts beta
Yuh_aye [#54]This
And even of the women that play, i'd say that most of them aren't taking the game as seriously as men generally do. All the girls I personally know that play don't grind comp and prefer to play swiftplay and unrated for the most part. Meanwhile i've been in customs at 3 AM making lineups with the boys.
So yeah when you have a very small talent pool of players that are fully dedicated to competing the chance that you get a t1 talent (there's like what, 40 slots in t1 rn?) is super low.
I can certainly agree with that, out of all the women I know only 2 take the game seriously the rest are content just wanting to have fun
x_knowitall39_x [#51]u know nothing about OWL if youre bringing up geguri LOL u dont even realize how funny it is
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cryvi [#55]this is true, that's why i put biological in quotation marks. i'm not too sure if this is fully, partially, or not at all emotional, but hormones prolly have something to do with it so idk
There might be some small biological difference but it's not something that would make a meaningful enough difference, just like the reaction time argument. Also, anger is an emotion, and a lot of guys get like genuinely enraged at games all the time.
VB37 [#44]Yea you let the emotions get the better of you. I'm just right, you aren't buddy
God please drown this guy in the next Genesis
Tadpole3 [#63]God please drown this guy in the next Genesis
Maybe if you keep repeating it, you'll turn into a normal functional human being
VB37 [#64]Maybe if you keep repeating it, you'll turn into a normal functional human being
God please drown this guy in the next Genesis
VB37 [#56]My bad, context clues aren't enough for you. I made a logical statement that woman are biologically and physically worse at almost every aspect in GAMING, which stands true considering no pro woman can compete in T1
well first off pro women have competed in tier 1, remember potter?
and also, that is not a logical statement. You are conflating correlation and causation. Less women in tier 1 does not prove that women are "biologically and physically worse at almost every aspect in gaming." You drew that conclusion yourself.
I mean i dont think much girls were playing CS and Valorant at the age of 8 or 10 (Most of them have different hobbies). And i dont think there are any scientific researches that proves woman have slower reaction speed or worse brain functions than men. Me personally i just think that Men = Women are equal IF they put in the same amount of work and start with the same amount of talent (That is where the gap forms maybe the true talented goat of female valorant never touched valorant)
H3ENnZ [#68]I mean i dont think much girls were playing CS and Valorant at the age of 8 or 10 (Most of them have different hobbies). And i dont think there are any scientific researches that proves woman have slower reaction speed or worse brain functions than men. Me personally i just think that Men = Women are equal IF they put in the same amount of work and start with the same amount of talent (That is where the gap forms maybe the true talented goat of female valorant never touched valorant)
if women played video games all day they would probably improve their reaction times no?
Harapan845 [#69]if women played video games all day they would probably improve their reaction times no?
Reaction time pretty much depends on talent imo. and im not saying that women have slower reaction than men
H3ENnZ [#70]Reaction time pretty much depends on talent imo. and im not saying that women have slower reaction than men
i guess if the talent pool for women were higher you would find some with very good reaction times
Danny [#66]well first off pro women have competed in tier 1, remember potter?
and also, that is not a logical statement. You are conflating correlation and causation. Less women in tier 1 does not prove that women are "biologically and physically worse at almost every aspect in gaming." You drew that conclusion yourself.
sorry to break it to you bud but potter never made it to t1... its like saying that florescent played in t2 cause they played then open quals (and didnt qual)
x_knowitall39_x [#73]sorry to break it to you bud but potter never made it to t1... its like saying that florescent played in t2 cause they played then open quals (and didnt qual)
...she was quite literally on tier 1 in Evil Geniuses on the men's team
Danny [#74]...she was quite literally on tier 1 in Evil Geniuses on the men's team
again, they never qualled
cryvi [#34]since nobody is willing to give you an actual proper answer, i'll do it. as far as i know, there's no biological disadvantage for women, but there's 2 reasons why you aren't seeing them in tier 1 play. first, there's just less women interested in esports, so less opportunity for talent. secondly, the only "biological" disadvantage they might have is that women are more emotional, while being more rational is more important in valorant, but shouldn't really be a big deal tbh. i personally think that some gc pros could be in normal t1, but they may just be limited by the fact that gc tourneys are a thing, because no scout would ever look at gc tourneys to find a new player for their team. i think it's mostly that tbh.
OP was 100% baiting, but I think this argument is slightly different and more convincing than the ones you mentioned.
Look at when players like Zekken or older player from CS like Tarik will say they got into FPS, most will say it was playing something like their older brother/father/uncle introducing them to MW2 or CS 1.6 etc..
Go into any GC player, probably not the NB, and ask when they got into FPS and the vast majority will probably say either Valorant, or a little CSGO.
Men have been playing FPS games for nearly a decade longer than most women, and as a result have built up habits, skills, and develop neural pathways in their brain to a level much higher than the average woman.
If you want a good example outside of gaming, find someone who started learning a foreign language for roughly 7 years, compare that to a 7 year old native speaker of that language. Odds are the 7 year old will have a better grasp on the language even though they've learned it for the same amount of time.
x_knowitall39_x [#75]again, they never qualled
Oh yeah i forgot they lost to Sentinels
Still close enough to be worth a shout imo
GambleNats [#36]less people = worse pool of players
this is the real reason.
Lot less women play valorant than men
this take doesnt make sense imo cause there are even less trans players than female players. Yet the main prospects of going to t2 or atleast the best players in GC are trans (srn/flor) and Bob who already played t2
Ballsamolee [#47]no its something cultural. they were brought up as men and because of that they got more opportunities and were more encouraged to play than women.
yeah thats what i was referring to
x_knowitall39_x [#79]this take doesnt make sense imo cause there are even less trans players than female players. Yet the main prospects of going to t2 or atleast the best players in GC are trans (srn/flor) and Bob who already played t2
way too little trans player to pool an average, I wouldnt use that data as there are too many possible variables. If more trans people join GC and majority of them are the top percentile then a discussion about that can be had
bait post, but i'll entertain a proper answer.
probably? though i'd put many other factors as more significant first.
i don't think the playerbase disparity paints the full picture - polls show that 30% of valorant players are women, so all other things equal, you'd also expect 30% of t1 valorant pros to be women too. clearly not the case, so something else has to be going on.
i think most of the reason is social - studies have shown that men have a disposition to be more aggressive and assertive when pursuing a high level of competition. whether this disparity is biological or social can be left to the experts, but i'd think that this is what results in such a heavy disparity at the highest level of play.
you could also boil it down to gaming being a really toxic space for women - players around might be less supportive or they may be offered less opportunities to improve - its similar to how, oddly enough, professional sports players tend to be born around september - january (since a couple months of development is a huge difference in early ages, meaning sports coaches support them more or pick them for sports teams etc), despite birth month not leading to any biological difference.
biology i'd probably put as the least significant reason. there may be some inherent differences in reaction speeds and dexterity due to hormones, but i don't think it's like traditional sports where strength and speed is everything. women also dominate in challenging sports which prioritise things that suit their biology (gymnastics, for instance), so I don't think the "spirit of competition" is inherently non-present in women.
edgno1fan2 [#82]bait post, but i'll entertain a proper answer.
probably? though i'd put many other factors as more significant first.
i don't think the playerbase disparity paints the full picture - polls show that 30% of valorant players are women, so all other things equal, you'd also expect 30% of t1 valorant pros to be women too. clearly not the case, so something else has to be going on.
i think most of the reason is social - studies have shown that men have a disposition to be more aggressive and assertive when pursuing a high level of competition. whether this disparity is biological or social can be left to the experts, but i'd think that this is what results in such a heavy disparity at the highest level of play.
you could also boil it down to gaming being a really toxic space for women - players around might be less supportive or they may be offered less opportunities to improve - its similar to how, oddly enough, professional sports players tend to be born around september - january (since a couple months of development is a huge difference in early ages, meaning sports coaches support them more or pick them for sports teams etc), despite birth month not leading to any biological difference.
biology i'd probably put as the least significant reason. there may be some inherent differences in reaction speeds and dexterity due to hormones, but i don't think it's like traditional sports where strength and speed is everything. women also dominate in challenging sports which prioritise things that suit their biology (gymnastics, for instance), so I don't think the "spirit of competition" is inherently non-present in women.
i also love biting on obvious bait
x_knowitall39_x [#79]this take doesnt make sense imo cause there are even less trans players than female players. Yet the main prospects of going to t2 or atleast the best players in GC are trans (srn/flor) and Bob who already played t2
it does make sense because the 'trans' players actually come from a much larger pool, which like I said in #54, players in that pool also generally take the game more serious as well, making the pool of 'serious players' for that category much larger.
I probably can't use more specific language because it'd get me in trouble, but connect the dots.
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I'll exaggerate it in this example to get the point across:
Consider how many good chinese players there are compared to good rhode islanders. Now imagine a rhode island league meant to develop rhode islanders, but it allows chinese players to play in it. A not particularly elite chinese player could easily dominate the rhode islanders in the league, just because the talent pool in china is much more vast and it would be alot easier to find a player who has that level of talent. But the dominance isn't because of some innate racial advantage of being from china, and it's feasible that a talent could emerge from rhode island that would be better. It's unlikely due to the numbers game, but not impossible.
VB37 [#52]"fLaiR" lookin headahh. Bro made fun of 100t despite having PANAMA and a WOMAN team as his flair. nt bro thats the lowest of lows
this bait is way too obvious but i’m taking it for some reason i use random flag + flair combos that i think look cool hope this helps!
VB37 [#23]Did SR win an actual tournament or GC tournament? If it's GC please reconsider what you classify as a tournament
No way you're this dumb
Srathens1 [#76]I remember back in the old days of Apex, some teams were mixed and actually played on LANS, I think one of them even won, wish it could have been the same for the VCT
So hard i belive, Tier 1 aiming for major/chamions and tier 2 aiming for slot in tier 1 is the reason why team wanna pick the best lineup for them
This is bait, but I'll bite.
There are reasons why women are "worse" than men at the PRO level.
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Smaller pool of players
Women have always been a minority in the competitive gaming world. Unlike most boys, girls were not encouraged to play video games growing up, especially not FPS games like CS:GO. Because of the lower number of female gamers PLUS the even smaller number of women who grew up playing competitive shooters, there is a smaller pool of talent to work from. -
Toxic Environment
Competitive gaming is typically known as a toxic male-dominated environment. Because of the small pool of female players, it was uncommon to see a woman in your games, thus leading to an anomaly. Because women in gaming stood out due to societal norms, men would harass them by making sexual comments, misogynistic jokes, and just anything to make them uncomfortable. Due to this toxic gaming culture, the pool of women who want to join the gaming community gets even smaller as more and more women face harassment every time they play. This is generally why a lot of girls, including myself, are hesitant to use voice comms or play competitively. It also makes it harder for women to rank up and learn in-game communication skills when they get harassed every time they try to talk.
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