Ive watched very little tier 2 but in my opinion it would be
2G > SPG > Apeks > XLG
but again ive barely watched tier 2
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Which region has the best ascended team?
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DuD5K1S [#2]apeks > SPG > 2G > XLG
it appears Ive underrated apeks quite a bit, It might just be my narrow belief of the lack of firepower except for kaajak who didnt do great on his first LAN
GambleNats [#7]it appears Ive underrated apeks quite a bit, It might just be my narrow belief of the lack of firepower except for kaajak who didnt do great on his first LAN
tbh spg 2g apeks could go either way,
the difference to me is
2G have completely fresh talent, and so does SPG so i think they will perform better in T1, however if kaajak remains on apeks its hard to count them out
Mortadelo [#9]Depends, is this Apeks without kaajak, 2G without spike and XLG without Kristal? Cause if so it's not very debatable
I did it based off their full roster in tier 2 considering we dont even know the possible replacements and if kajaak is even leaving apeks (which I dont believe is confirmed)
jimjam789 [#11]Considering spg went undefeated all year (split 1 doesn't count) and they've shit on th, prx, fnc in scrims yeah I'd say spg
woah this scrim news is something I havent heard of
Anguibok [#14]Really, really hard to say, SPG is probably the best team without pressure, but the worst with, 2G may be the countrary, while Apeks may be the most regular one (XLG is probably last by far)
hope the bottom teams of china can improve fast so every conversion doesnt end with yeah "x chinese team is probably the worst"
GambleNats [#12]woah this scrim news is something I havent heard of
Don't actually know about fnc but boaster did say Persia spanked them and chronicle asked him his aim routine so I'd assume they beat fnc?
Apparently johnqt also had high praise for spg but I read that off a post
And fayde (xlgs coach) said that spg were a tier above the other pacific ascension teams so it's safe to assume spg were smacking a lot of Chinese teams as well
GambleNats [#15]hope the bottom teams of china can improve fast so every conversion doesnt end with yeah "x chinese team is probably the worst"
Even if it's happen since they are no tournament between bottom team, it's will hard to guess if they are good or not, it would kill 2 bird at once if one of CN team become an OCE and one a TW team, more good player, less bottom, more hype because not the same region competing against each other
Anguibok [#17]Even if it's happen since they are no tournament between bottom team, it's will hard to guess if they are good or not, it would kill 2 bird at once if one of CN team become an OCE and one a TW team, more good player, less bottom, more hype because not the same region competing against each other
I mean you cant really call the region china anymore
also politically doesnt stand too well
Riot right now lets the player choose whether taiwan is the ROC or part of the PRC
but adding a taiwanese team to a region called "china" with 8 other mainland chinese teams, well you can tell it wouldnt sit too well
Another problem is that OCE players would now count as imports in the pacific region
with all that I dont think its a route riot would even consider it
ParisVLR [#18]I feel like Apeks was the most deserved.
SPG is up there in terms most deserved
for me its probably
Apeks > SPG > 2G > XLG
GambleNats [#19]I mean you cant really call the region china anymore
also politically doesnt stand too well
Riot right now lets the player choose whether taiwan is the ROC or part of the PRC
but adding a taiwanese team to a region called "china" with 8 other mainland chinese teams, well you can tell it wouldnt sit too well
Another problem is that OCE players would now count as imports in the pacific regionwith all that I dont think its a route riot would even consider it
Well, we call T2 FR-Benelux France, even if they represent something like 30% of our population, we can still call it China if we accept one unique team that will need to have 4 OCE player to not be considered imports (Would be the only one allowed team to do that, and CN player would be considered as import) With that rule OCE player would still be not considered import in APAC
Oceanian player doesnt really have their chance in APAC (0 OCE player in APAC T1) because beside few exepetion, every team require to speak the language of their team, Malay, Japan, Korea, so hard to do a full English speaking team.
"Well you can tell it wouldn't sit too well"
It would make so mush rivalry and hype, and technically some team have already a majority of TW player. DRX was historically a Taiwanese team, LGD just took the core of OF, and DRX was technically a TW team before they ascended. We walk on thin air here, but that's doable.
But I agree Riot will not probably take those rout, and thats really too bad because that would kill many bird at once
GambleNats [#20]SPG is up there in terms most deserved
for me its probably
Apeks > SPG > 2G > XLG
Not sure we can say "most deserved" when you win in OT at 0.01s
Anguibok [#22]Not sure we can say "most deserved" when you win in OT at 0.01s
Dude they choked here and there a little bit which led to that not to mention the home crowd was heavy booing them
gamergirl [#6]based off of last years results in T1 and this years competition in T2
2G
Apeks
SPG
XLG
2G is not first mate
Anguibok [#22]Not sure we can say "most deserved" when you win in OT at 0.01s
SPG went flawless in ascension uptill the GF where they lost 2 maps. 2G and XLG lost to m80 and RA in the same tournament. Apeks also did hella choking in the EMEA GF and werent dominant in emea t2. so overall, yeah I believe SPG up there in terms of deserving
Anguibok [#21]Well, we call T2 FR-Benelux France, even if they represent something like 30% of our population, we can still call it China if we accept one unique team that will need to have 4 OCE player to not be considered imports (Would be the only one allowed team to do that, and CN player would be considered as import) With that rule OCE player would still be not considered import in APAC
Oceanian player doesnt really have their chance in APAC (0 OCE player in APAC T1) because beside few exepetion, every team require to speak the language of their team, Malay, Japan, Korea, so hard to do a full English speaking team.
"Well you can tell it wouldn't sit too well"
It would make so mush rivalry and hype, and technically some team have already a majority of TW player. DRX was historically a Taiwanese team, LGD just took the core of OF, and DRX was technically a TW team before they ascended. We walk on thin air here, but that's doable.But I agree Riot will not probably take those rout, and thats really too bad because that would kill many bird at once
1.) The difference in the naming policy is the political aspect, saying a taiwanese org plays in "mainland china" isnt great
2.1) I would rather put an OCE and TW roster in pacific than in china. The unique import rule is way to messy and specific of a system, you pretty much are introducing OCE and TW as a new region that just so happens to have competition against china.
2.2) OCE and TW players would now be the only areas where they are allowed to play in two different regions and not count as import
2.3) If diversity is what you call for does that mean you want an African team in china as well? In my head adding TW and OCE to china makes just as much sense as adding africa to china
3.) All those things about taiwanese orgs and playerbase take place in the pacific region. A taiwanese player register themselves as either part of pacific or china, then they can only partake in that region. So if a taiwanese player chose pacific as the region they count as, they can only play in pacific and if they go into china or any other region they would be an import player. Meaning Riot does have a separation for the ROC and the PRC
4.) Is the taiwanese org in your hypothetical allowed to pick up all taiwanese players? or only the ones who believe taiwan is its own country and pick pacific as their region. Because that would cause massive problems as well
Aayan [#30]SPG > APEKS > 2G ≳ XLG
imo
yeah this ranking seems the most consistent out of all the responses ive been getting
SXNFLGJL [#32]SPG > Apeks > 2Garbage > XLG
I was shocked with how good SPG were at ascension, I thought FS were going to win it without any trouble
may I ask why you dislike 2G
GambleNats [#33]may I ask why you dislike 2G
Oh I don't, I just think saying 2Garbage is funny
Zap was entertaining to watch
GambleNats [#29]1.) The difference in the naming policy is the political aspect, saying a taiwanese org plays in "mainland china" isnt great
2.1) I would rather put an OCE and TW roster in pacific than in china. The unique import rule is way to messy and specific of a system, you pretty much are introducing OCE and TW as a new region that just so happens to have competition against china.
2.2) OCE and TW players would now be the only areas where they are allowed to play in two different regions and not count as import
2.3) If diversity is what you call for does that mean you want an African team in china as well? In my head adding TW and OCE to china makes just as much sense as adding africa to china3.) All those things about taiwanese orgs and playerbase take place in the pacific region. A taiwanese player register themselves as either part of pacific or china, then they can only partake in that region. So if a taiwanese player chose pacific as the region they count as, they can only play in pacific and if they go into china or any other region they would be an import player. Meaning Riot does have a separation for the ROC and the PRC
4.) Is the taiwanese org in your hypothetical allowed to pick up all taiwanese players? or only the ones who believe taiwan is its own country and pick pacific as their region. Because that would cause massive problems as well
1) Region woulod be called China, not "Mainland China"
2.1) They are no place for OCE, we cant drop any team to let a place for OCE sadfully :/
2.2) It's already the case in TW technically
2.3) As far as I support Africa having a representant, we have to admit the PC market is not developed yet, How many african player play in China ? 0 ? How many Australian plays in China T1 or Ascenton ? Almost a full team (3 in T1 and 1 in asc), it's even more for Tawanese. Oceania is already a de facto a part of China because their best player plays in China and not in APAC, wish isn't the case for Africa. i wouldnt have proposed that if 3 of best Oceanian players wouldn't be in China.
3) I think they might be allowed to change when they want, if that wasn't the case, I'll doubt LGD could acquaire OF, and OF going back to TW next, if not that wouldn't happen
4) I don't understand the question, you can pick whoever you want among Taiwanese playr, regardless if they support independence or not (Keep in mind that Taiwan didn't declare their independance)
bronzil_enjoyer [#35]meme80 lost so
Just because I'm American doesn't mean I blindly support m80
As a PRX fan who is used to his team finishing 2nd place, I can acknowledge when a team was better
2G was better than m80
Even All Knights should have beaten m80
KClaw [#25]2G is not first mate
they beat the hardest opponent and. americas ascension winner last year was the best of the 4 regions
Anguibok [#38]1) Region woulod be called China, not "Mainland China"
2.1) They are no place for OCE, we cant drop any team to let a place for OCE sadfully :/
2.2) It's already the case in TW technically
2.3) As far as I support Africa having a representant, we have to admit the PC market is not developed yet, How many african player play in China ? 0 ? How many Australian plays in China T1 or Ascenton ? Almost a full team (3 in T1 and 1 in asc), it's even more for Tawanese. Oceania is already a de facto a part of China because their best player plays in China and not in APAC, wish isn't the case for Africa. i wouldnt have proposed that if 3 of best Oceanian players wouldn't be in China.
3) I think they might be allowed to change when they want, if that wasn't the case, I'll doubt LGD could acquaire OF, and OF going back to TW next, if not that wouldn't happen
4) I don't understand the question, you can pick whoever you want among Taiwanese playr, regardless if they support independence or not (Keep in mind that Taiwan didn't declare their independance)
1.) Calling it china is the issue, I said mainland china because thats what the region is currently recognised as
2.1) Much easier to drop a korean/jpn team than a chinese team right now
2.2) That is untrue, A TW player assigned to pacific, cannot play in china without being an import vice versa is true
2.3) Which TW player assigned to pacific plays in china tier 1? I genuinely dont know. also are you in support for africa in america then? also india doesnt have a full PC market either, the only real reason we have any tier 1 india players is because there are indian orgs in tier 1 and they dont even have a majority of Indian players.
3.) Changing whether they play in what region shouldnt be for ease of convience but political belief
4.) So a taiwanese player who thinks they are part of the PRC is allowed to be picked up by a taiwanese org but other PRC players are not allowed to play in that same taiwanese org?
elendooo1 [#42]People underating XLG and overhyping apeks too much imo for me it is.
Spg
XLG
2G
ApeksDepending if ur counting kr1stal or not XLG could swap with 2G
What do you think XLGs strongest points are that make them better than 2G and Apeks
GambleNats [#44]1.) Calling it china is the issue, I said mainland china because thats what the region is currently recognised as
2.1) Much easier to drop a korean/jpn team than a chinese team right now
2.2) That is untrue, A TW player assigned to pacific, cannot play in china without being an import vice versa is true
2.3) Which TW player assigned to pacific plays in china tier 1? I genuinely dont know. also are you in support for africa in america then? also india doesnt have a full PC market either, the only real reason we have any tier 1 india players is because there are indian orgs in tier 1 and they dont even have a majority of Indian players.
3.) Changing whether they play in what region shouldnt be for ease of convience but political belief
4.) So a taiwanese player who thinks they are part of the PRC is allowed to be picked up by a taiwanese org but other PRC players are not allowed to play in that same taiwanese org?
1) Even Liquid use "China" nobody use "mainland China" to describe this T1, absolutely no one
2.1) You cant drop 2 historic biggest clouted and successful team, and you cant do it for DRX that is Val historic team, Val is too big in JP to drop a team, they are no spots.
2.2 & 3) How do you explain OF --> LGD --> OF ?
2.3) I'm support for Africa to have their T2 first asap, they are not 5 african player that could do a team together, the only one I remember is litterally a part of MENA and not Subsaharia, and yes, I support MENA having a team in EMEA. Subsaharia is a mush more diverse region than Oceania, and doing an "African roster", would not make sense because of language barrier, Subsaharia will need more than ONE team, they will at least need a Franch-African team, a Nigerian team, a Swahili/EAC team, and probably an Austral african team, so yeah, when Africa will have enough infrastructure (more server,less ping), they could have enough good player, and when they willhave enough good player they will need a full brand new Tier 1 region really fast (Maybe mixed with MENA) GE is doing a huge mistake to pick short terme performance of foreigner instead of forming best Indian player to become best player in 4-5 years even if that mean ending last for the next 4 years. Thats why franchise are : long term plan.
4) Same residencies as China, but they have double residencies and are allowed to play in both APAC and CN without being consider as an import in both.
5) Only other alternative is to go to 16 team per region like I said here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK21DCS2yHM
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