- China
- Korea
- Russia
- America
- Turkiye
- Brazil
Not sure about these ones
- Canada
- Sweden
- Chile
- Indonesia
HM: Finland, UK, Poland, Singapore, Japan
what do you think
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Nef0r0 [#2]No way US cannot field a top 3 team
SEN the best performing NA team, made top 4 with 3 imports...
the next best is g2 which finished top 8
you could swap russia and america. I wouldnt be too mad
Nef0r0 [#2]No way US cannot field a top 3 team
I didnt think about it but you could downgrade korea
GambleNats [#4]I didnt think about it but you could downgrade korea
Curious, is it this year's result only, or you consider previous years as well?
Nef0r0 [#5]Curious, is it this year's result only, or you consider previous years as well?
its like 90% this year, 10% past years (russia and brazil havent had full rosters in forever)
Pras1mos [#8]Brazil should be above Turkiye, no?
In terms of achieves and players.
Current turkiye players > brazillian players.
besides aspas and sacy brazil hasnt been doing well
only reason brazil are up this high is because of past success
Pras1mos [#8]Brazil should be above Turkiye, no?
In terms of achieves and players.
hot take they would be atleast top 2 imo. China has full edg roster and brasil has loud (old loud roster)
Pras1mos [#8]Brazil should be above Turkiye, no?
In terms of achieves and players.
if it were for all time I would agree, but currently I'd have turkey. their t2 scene is looking insane rn
ShuGo [#9]Which Players would even be in Russia?
Chronicle Leo Derke?
Leo is russian?
but anyways additional players like
sheydos, nats, vo0kashu, something, shao, suygetsu, cloud, trexx are all good shouts
FAVOURR [#12]hot take they would be atleast top 2 imo. China has full edg roster and brasil has loud (old loud roster)
no igl tho
Aayan [#15]if it were for all time I would agree, but currently I'd have turkey. their t2 scene is looking insane rn
Yeah xeus is my god but I do think brasil would clear. fuck current form. only reason loud is bad because they have no duelist. bring back aspas and they will be on top again
FAVOURR [#19]Yeah xeus is my god but I do think brasil would clear. fuck current form. only reason loud is bad because they have no duelist. bring back aspas and they will be on top again
you really think no saadhak would have a working loud?
IonlywatchvcjXD [#22]Is this a hypothetical world cup event or this is based on their performance? Depending on your answer I'm about to say some hot ass takes 😂
hypothetical
GambleNats [#20]you really think no saadhak would have a working loud?
yeah my bad but u think less could do it?
GambleNats [#23]hypothetical
Ok, hear me out , kishida on his last straw finally decides to initiate blue lock, or any candidates for prime Minister in order to attract younger voters
Meiy /Absol
Dep
Yatsuka
Xdll
Clz
Import engh( he did wonders changing team of duelists to a good roster)
And they get 6th or even 5th
FAVOURR [#24]yeah my bad but u think less could do it?
I think he can run a functional roster but not world class like saadhak does
FAVOURR [#25]what would be ur turkish and russian roster if there was a world cup? curious
if you count derke as russian -> derke, nats, trexx, shao, cloud
if you dont count derke as russian = derke -> something
if you dont like something, choose purp0
FAVOURR [#25]what would be ur turkish and russian roster if there was a world cup? curious
for turkey: riens, woot, alfa, cned, mr falin
IonlywatchvcjXD [#26]Ok, hear me out , kishida on his last straw finally decides to initiate blue lock, or any candidates for prime Minister in order to attract younger voters
Meiy /Absol
Dep
Yatsuka
Xdll
ClzImport engh( he did wonders changing team of duelists to a good roster)
And they get 6th or even 5th
Im sold
Taiwan would be kinda crazy
Tvirusluke
S1mon/YHchen (depends if you want a secondary caller)
Spring
Yuicaw
Berlin
Would have one of yuicaw or spring on full time senti and the other on flex. Luke unleashed fully cause he doesn't have to be translating. Very flexible team with very good fragging and can cook up hard with berlin
FAVOURR [#12]hot take they would be atleast top 2 imo. China has full edg roster and brasil has loud (old loud roster)
China doesn't have full rosters since S1mon is Taiwanese
GambleNats [#30]for turkey: riens, woot, alfa, cned, mr falin
I would actually take xeus over cned but fair. The problem is when i think about russia and turkey their igls are mid. So I think canada and america clears.
Imagine this canada roster
JonahP
TenZ
FNS
Eeiu
Mada
or something like that. since u said cned and he only plays jett u could also get tenz back on jett and get some1 for mada instead
FAVOURR [#35]I would actually take xeus over cned but fair. The problem is when i think about russia and turkey their igls are mid. So I think canada and america clears.
Imagine this canada roster
JonahP
TenZ
FNS
Eeiu
Madaor something like that. since u said cned and he only plays jett u could also get tenz back on jett and get some1 for mada instead
tenz is a pretty bad jett tho
also usa igls like who? vanity?
GambleNats [#31]with no saadhak?
Bro, I recognize that there aren't many good igl here, but i see that i wouldn't need a saadhak level igl because the players in the other roles would already be insanely good, so there wouldn't be that much of a difference
novato1 [#38]Bro, I recognize that there aren't many good igl here, but i see that i wouldn't need a saadhak level igl because the players in the other roles would already be insanely good, so there wouldn't be that much of a difference
you dont think the other teams have good quality players?
trikecycle [#33]Taiwan would be kinda crazy
Tvirusluke
S1mon/YHchen (depends if you want a secondary caller)
Spring
Yuicaw
Berlin
Would have one of yuicaw or spring on full time senti and the other on flex. Luke unleashed fully cause he doesn't have to be translating. Very flexible team with very good fragging and can cook up hard with berlin
I don't think they will still perform well if the players come from various teams. What matters most for the CN league players is their teamwork. So far, only EDG, which has maintained their main rosters for three years, has shown that teamwork.
trikecycle [#33]Taiwan would be kinda crazy
Tvirusluke
S1mon/YHchen (depends if you want a secondary caller)
Spring
Yuicaw
Berlin
Would have one of yuicaw or spring on full time senti and the other on flex. Luke unleashed fully cause he doesn't have to be translating. Very flexible team with very good fragging and can cook up hard with berlin
I honestly agree, probably even top 10
GambleNats [#20]you really think no saadhak would have a working loud?
Yeah we dont have a better IGL at moment.
zardinez [#44]GenG?
well geng bombed out of champs so that why I said you could downgrade korea. it all depends if you think geng had an unlucky tournament or if they genuinely crashed out
GambleNats [#36]tenz is a pretty bad jett tho
also usa igls like who? vanity?
I think he could run it back and be as good as cned on jett tbh but thats why i said mada. hes the better choice
And for na igl boostio or valyn. both better than nats and mrfalin not even close
GambleNats [#40]you dont think the other teams have good quality players?
Yes. Russia, China, Turkiye and the USA have very talented players.
FAVOURR [#46]I think he could run it back and be as good as cned on jett tbh but thats why i said mada. hes the better choice
And for na igl boostio or valyn. both better than nats and mrfalin not even close
I somehow didnt think of those two lmao
Vyde [#34]China doesn't have full rosters since S1mon is Taiwanese
this is the problem tho, every taiwan player in the chinese league claims their identity as chinese and not taiwanese (who play in pacific), I didnt want to get in to the political bs so I didnt mention taiwan
GambleNats [#51]this is the problem tho, every taiwan player in the chinese league claims their identity as chinese and not taiwanese (who play in pacific), I didnt want to get in to the political bs so I didnt mention taiwan
I think that's just an intended loophole left by riot to appease both US, Taiwan and China.
FAVOURR [#35]I would actually take xeus over cned but fair. The problem is when i think about russia and turkey their igls are mid. So I think canada and america clears.
Imagine this canada roster
JonahP
TenZ
FNS
Eeiu
Madaor something like that. since u said cned and he only plays jett u could also get tenz back on jett and get some1 for mada instead
marved/poised
GambleNats [#51]this is the problem tho, every taiwan player in the chinese league claims their identity as chinese and not taiwanese (who play in pacific), I didnt want to get in to the political bs so I didnt mention taiwan
Did they say so? Then sorry for that, But world cup requires them the nationality of the country so S1mon can't. (Unless he's dual citizenship) Or that's just because CN league is tier 1 whereas there's no Taiwanese team in Pacific.
cloudberry [#57]This isn't bias but I think Canada > Brazil, at the very least currently
(Also you wrote Childe for Chile and I only noticed because I thought it said Child)
well thats embarrassing. Also I can agree brazil > canada its just that loud has left such a big impression
Dattadri_sai [#55]bro put japan over Thailand 😂
well I wasnt too sure, people just have been telling me over and over that japan has incredible tier 2
SomeoneLikeU [#50]USA is way to low. zekken, N4RRATE, Valyn, Leaf, Ethan would win this.
its close for sure. imo goes either way for anyone in the top 6
Vyde [#49]I think Indonesia will be pretty good. Lmemore , f0rsaken, Monyet, mindfreak and xffero / BlaZek1ng.
underrated for sure, do you think they should be higher?
FAVOURR [#35]I would actually take xeus over cned but fair. The problem is when i think about russia and turkey their igls are mid. So I think canada and america clears.
Imagine this canada roster
JonahP
TenZ
FNS
Eeiu
Madaor something like that. since u said cned and he only plays jett u could also get tenz back on jett and get some1 for mada instead
well cned plays raze and alfajer + wo0t did too
GambleNats [#45]well geng bombed out of champs so that why I said you could downgrade korea. it all depends if you think geng had an unlucky tournament or if they genuinely crashed out
They were literally in a group of death. They played two bad games all year internationally, both against SEN. Thats it, so they def deserve first
GambleNats [#59]well I wasnt too sure, people just have been telling me over and over that japan has incredible tier 2
incredible 💀, u mean they get farm by Rusian ? sure
and their best team is DFM 💀
GambleNats [#58]well thats embarrassing. Also I can agree brazil > canada its just that loud has left such a big impression
LOUD has left an impression but if the event were to actually happen, they wouldn't have a very good igl for their roster (saadhak and nzr are both from Argentina so their best choice is probably mazin)
GambleNats [#61]underrated for sure, do you think they should be higher?
I think so, they defo got a potential to be higher
zardinez [#63]They were literally in a group of death. They played two bad games all year internationally, both against SEN. Thats it, so they def deserve first
i mean both group of death members lost to edg
Dattadri_sai [#64]incredible 💀, u mean they get farm by Rusian ? sure
and their best team is DFM 💀
dfm tbf has bad management and picked up 1 good talent when there is a lot more for japan
cloudberry [#65]LOUD has left an impression but if the event were to actually happen, they wouldn't have a very good igl for their roster (saadhak and nzr are both from Argentina so their best choice is probably mazin)
thats fair
Taiwan's team is hella underrated
Duelist - Spring
Flex - BerLIN
Controller - YHchen (IGL)
Initiator - S1Mon
Sentinel - Yuicaw
In my opinion BerLIN has really good aim and can be a demon if he's not IGLing, the only issue is he ints a lot which ruins his K/D
YHchen as an IGL nearly took a dead and buried JDG team to Champions
S1Mon of course one of the best rookies of 2024, Yuicaw was arguably Wolves and ASE's best player, and Spring is a great talent
ninjaturtle [#74]Taiwan's team is hella underrated
Duelist - Spring
Flex - BerLIN
Controller - YHchen (IGL)
Initiator - S1Mon
Sentinel - YuicawIn my opinion BerLIN has really good aim and can be a demon if he's not IGLing, the only issue is he ints a lot which ruins his K/D
YHchen as an IGL nearly took a dead and buried JDG team to Champions
S1Mon of course one of the best rookies of 2024, Yuicaw was arguably Wolves and ASE's best player, and Spring is a great talent
yuicaw better than life?
but yeah I agree, I just didnt put taiwan because of political discusssions that I didnt wanna run into to
GambleNats [#75]yuicaw better than life?
but yeah I agree, I just didnt put taiwan because of political discusssions that I didnt wanna run into to
Life is Chinese my guy 💀
My list of possible country wise teams(not in order of ranking):
Duelist
Initiator
Flex
Smokes
Sentinel
Russia:
Jemkin
Trexx
Chronicle
Shao
vo0kashu
USA:
Zekken
N4rrate
Ethan
Valyn
leaf
Canada:
Mada
Eeiu
JonahP
Tenz
Zander
Turkey:
xeus
Riens
Woot
MrFallin
Alfajer
Korea:
T3xture
Stax
Munchkin
Karon
Meteor
Thailand
Primmie
cgrs
PTC
Sscary
Jitboys
Poland:
Kamo
Zeek
Starxo
grubinho
westside
Brazil:
Aspas
Heat
xenom
xand
Less
Rico98 [#78]My list of possible country wise teams(not in order of ranking):
Duelist
Initiator
Flex
Smokes
SentinelRussia:
Jemkin
Trexx
Chronicle
Shao
vo0kashuUSA:
Zekken
N4rrate
Ethan
Valyn
leafCanada:
Mada
Eeiu
JonahP
Tenz
ZanderTurkey:
xeus
Riens
Woot
MrFallin
AlfajerKorea:
T3xture
Stax
Munchkin
Karon
MeteorThailand
Primmie
cgrs
PTC
Sscary
JitboysPoland:
Kamo
Zeek
Starxo
grubinho
westsideBrazil:
Aspas
Heat
xenom
xand
Less
I haven't seen jemkin play much but wouldn't something be a better choice?
Rico98 [#78]My list of possible country wise teams(not in order of ranking):
Duelist
Initiator
Flex
Smokes
SentinelRussia:
Jemkin
Trexx
Chronicle
Shao
vo0kashuUSA:
Zekken
N4rrate
Ethan
Valyn
leafCanada:
Mada
Eeiu
JonahP
Tenz
ZanderTurkey:
xeus
Riens
Woot
MrFallin
AlfajerKorea:
T3xture
Stax
Munchkin
Karon
MeteorThailand
Primmie
cgrs
PTC
Sscary
JitboysPoland:
Kamo
Zeek
Starxo
grubinho
westsideBrazil:
Aspas
Heat
xenom
xand
Less
I mostly agree with this but I can think of some changes
Jemkin -> somthing
Heat -> cauanzin
valyn -> s0m
xand -> literally anyone
Rico98 [#78]My list of possible country wise teams(not in order of ranking):
Duelist
Initiator
Flex
Smokes
SentinelRussia:
Jemkin
Trexx
Chronicle
Shao
vo0kashuUSA:
Zekken
N4rrate
Ethan
Valyn
leafCanada:
Mada
Eeiu
JonahP
Tenz
ZanderTurkey:
xeus
Riens
Woot
MrFallin
AlfajerKorea:
T3xture
Stax
Munchkin
Karon
MeteorThailand
Primmie
cgrs
PTC
Sscary
JitboysPoland:
Kamo
Zeek
Starxo
grubinho
westsideBrazil:
Aspas
Heat
xenom
xand
Less
Finally someone putting Jemkin as the best Russian duelist
Vyde [#41]I don't think they will still perform well if the players come from various teams. What matters most for the CN league players is their teamwork. So far, only EDG, which has maintained their main rosters for three years, has shown that teamwork.
Where did all my messages about Taiwan being China go?
Bo0mShell [#79]I haven't seen jemkin play much but wouldn't something be a better choice?
It's a personal preference due to Jemkin being a complete duelist with being able play on more duelist agents and having a team mindset. Something is more of a cracked individual.
Bo0mShell [#80]I mostly agree with this but I can think of some changes
Jemkin -> somthing
Heat -> cauanzin
valyn -> s0m
xand -> literally anyone
I chose Valyn over s0m purely on the basis of Valyn being a good IGL, as a player maybe s0m is better.
ShuGo [#9]Which Players would even be in Russia?
Chronicle Leo Derke?
Where did my ukraine comment go?
Rico98 [#78]My list of possible country wise teams(not in order of ranking):
Duelist
Initiator
Flex
Smokes
SentinelRussia:
Jemkin
Trexx
Chronicle
Shao
vo0kashuUSA:
Zekken
N4rrate
Ethan
Valyn
leafCanada:
Mada
Eeiu
JonahP
Tenz
ZanderTurkey:
xeus
Riens
Woot
MrFallin
AlfajerKorea:
T3xture
Stax
Munchkin
Karon
MeteorThailand
Primmie
cgrs
PTC
Sscary
JitboysPoland:
Kamo
Zeek
Starxo
grubinho
westsideBrazil:
Aspas
Heat
xenom
xand
Less
nats > vo0kashu, you need an igl
Is xues really that good?
who is ptc and westside??
thats a crazy brazil team
GambleNats [#87]nats > vo0kashu, you need an igl
Is xues really that good?
who is ptc and westside??
thats a crazy brazil team
PTC played in champs 2021 through lcq in full sense
Rico98 [#85]I chose Valyn over s0m purely on the basis of Valyn being a good IGL, as a player maybe s0m is better.
Yea was thinking the same
Rico98 [#83]It's a personal preference due to Jemkin being a complete duelist with being able play on more duelist agents and having a team mindset. Something is more of a cracked individual.
I see.. I don't remember watching him play so I have no clue
GambleNats [#3]SEN the best performing NA team, made top 4 with 3 imports...
the next best is g2 which finished top 8you could swap russia and america. I wouldnt be too mad
Just use 2023 EG for team USA. I know in the VCT jawgemo isn't labeled as an import so he definitely has US citizenship but I guess they might loose apoth and reformed
GambleNats [#87]nats > vo0kashu, you need an igl
Is xues really that good?
who is ptc and westside??
thats a crazy brazil team
I love nats as a player but in the current meta I think vo0kashu's play style and util is just better in a team dynamic. I still would be okay replacing vo0kashu with nats based on the fact that Nats is one of the best in the world in raw aim and IQ.
GambleNats [#87]nats > vo0kashu, you need an igl
Is xues really that good?
who is ptc and westside??
thats a crazy brazil team
xues is crazy and for sure should be considered in franchising next year. PTC and westside play in tier 2 and are consistent players, I think PTC also has a surprise potential like what something had when he joined PRX. This is the only brazil team that made sense to me that has players who are still playing/in form.
kanyefan4238173 [#62]well cned plays raze and alfajer + wo0t did too
Yeah right but then u have to put cned on another role idk if thats the play u know
Rico98 [#78]My list of possible country wise teams(not in order of ranking):
Duelist
Initiator
Flex
Smokes
SentinelRussia:
Jemkin
Trexx
Chronicle
Shao
vo0kashuUSA:
Zekken
N4rrate
Ethan
Valyn
leafCanada:
Mada
Eeiu
JonahP
Tenz
ZanderTurkey:
xeus
Riens
Woot
MrFallin
AlfajerKorea:
T3xture
Stax
Munchkin
Karon
MeteorThailand
Primmie
cgrs
PTC
Sscary
JitboysPoland:
Kamo
Zeek
Starxo
grubinho
westsideBrazil:
Aspas
Heat
xenom
xand
Less
Zander over FNS is crazy
FAVOURR [#21]wait saadhak is from argentina wtf lmaoooo. ok that changes everything
Is "Brazilian IGL" is another way to say Argentina ? (nzr is also in same case)
Rico98 [#78]My list of possible country wise teams(not in order of ranking):
Duelist
Initiator
Flex
Smokes
SentinelRussia:
Jemkin
Trexx
Chronicle
Shao
vo0kashuUSA:
Zekken
N4rrate
Ethan
Valyn
leafCanada:
Mada
Eeiu
JonahP
Tenz
ZanderTurkey:
xeus
Riens
Woot
MrFallin
AlfajerKorea:
T3xture
Stax
Munchkin
Karon
MeteorThailand
Primmie
cgrs
PTC
Sscary
JitboysPoland:
Kamo
Zeek
Starxo
grubinho
westsideBrazil:
Aspas
Heat
xenom
xand
Less
turkey
cned
mrfallin
riens
woot
alfajer
Rico98 [#93]xues is crazy and for sure should be considered in franchising next year. PTC and westside play in tier 2 and are consistent players, I think PTC also has a surprise potential like what something had when he joined PRX. This is the only brazil team that made sense to me that has players who are still playing/in form.
bro xeus is very good with rifle but as a jett he doesnt play operator. which is a important thing to consider.
GambleNats [#77]"Yuicaw was arguably Wolves and ASE's best player"
Yeah he was better on ASE too, you forget he dropped like 100+ kills in the game they lost against DRG
Vyde [#34]China doesn't have full rosters since S1mon is Taiwanese
simon said he was chinese on his announcement video from edg
XanXanUk [#102]0 mentions of Lithuania is CRIMINAL
Lithuania super team:
Boo
MiniBoo
Hype
ceNder
Nukkye
Camden [#91]Just use 2023 EG for team USA. I know in the VCT jawgemo isn't labeled as an import so he definitely has US citizenship but I guess they might loose apoth and reformed
by that logic you could also use 2021 gambit
Vyde [#101]Idk might be deleted for politic contents
Why does he just get his comment removed and I get a week ban?
Vyde [#34]China doesn't have full rosters since S1mon is Taiwanese
I don’t get how this statement is any less political than mine. GenG literally got in trouble for saying something like this.
Anguibok [#98]Without S1mon I'm not that sure China might be that high.
TW might have a good shoot
Biank is a pretty good replacement for simon
Rico98 [#78]My list of possible country wise teams(not in order of ranking):
Duelist
Initiator
Flex
Smokes
SentinelRussia:
Jemkin
Trexx
Chronicle
Shao
vo0kashuUSA:
Zekken
N4rrate
Ethan
Valyn
leafCanada:
Mada
Eeiu
JonahP
Tenz
ZanderTurkey:
xeus
Riens
Woot
MrFallin
AlfajerKorea:
T3xture
Stax
Munchkin
Karon
MeteorThailand
Primmie
cgrs
PTC
Sscary
JitboysPoland:
Kamo
Zeek
Starxo
grubinho
westsideBrazil:
Aspas
Heat
xenom
xand
Less
Why is USA just NA? You have Canada as well and no players from Mexico on it. Just if you have it as NA on purpose put Canada in as well and go Latam rather than chile, Brazil, etc and same for all regions.
Camden [#107]I don’t get how this statement is any less political than mine. GenG literally got in trouble for saying something like this.
You said it too baldly tho 🤣
If we're going off champs stats, the only countries that could field teams are: (I think? I could be wrong)
China
Korea
Turkey
USA
The best rated players for each team would be (assuming we don't give a shit about roles):
China:
CHICHOO (1.18)
Smoggy (1.14)
Kai (1.10)
KK (1.10)
Luoking (1.04)
Avg rating: 1.112
Korea:
Meteor (1.17)
texture (1.14)
Flashback (1.04)
mako (1.02)
Buzz (1.01)
Avg rating: 1.076
Turkey:
Riens (1.15)
Alfajer (1.09)
yetujey (1.07)
cNed (0.99)
woot (0.99)
Avg rating: 1.058
America:
zekken (1.12)
valyn (0.99)
Zellsis (0.98)
com (0.98)
leaf (0.97)
Avg rating: 1.008
Tldr; China > Korea > Turkey > USA
note: after I finish homework, I'll go make a spreadsheet or something and try calculating the best valorant country of 2024 using total stats across the year (may use acs as a marker because china moment)
GambleNats [#51]this is the problem tho, every taiwan player in the chinese league claims their identity as chinese and not taiwanese (who play in pacific), I didnt want to get in to the political bs so I didnt mention taiwan
It doesn't matter. Most people agree that HongKong belongs to China They still do a separate team in every "world cup"
Rico98 [#92]I love nats as a player but in the current meta I think vo0kashu's play style and util is just better in a team dynamic. I still would be okay replacing vo0kashu with nats based on the fact that Nats is one of the best in the world in raw aim and IQ.
I agree that vo0kashu is insane, but realistically who igls russia then?
XanXanUk [#102]0 mentions of Lithuania is CRIMINAL
true, lithuania has pretty good talent pretty big miss by me
Upstander123 [#112]If we're going off champs stats, the only countries that could field teams are: (I think? I could be wrong)
China
Korea
Turkey
USAThe best rated players for each team would be (assuming we don't give a shit about roles):
China:
CHICHOO (1.18)
Smoggy (1.14)
Kai (1.10)
KK (1.10)
Luoking (1.04)
Avg rating: 1.112Korea:
Meteor (1.17)
texture (1.14)
Flashback (1.04)
mako (1.02)
Buzz (1.01)
Avg rating: 1.076Turkey:
Riens (1.15)
Alfajer (1.09)
yetujey (1.07)
cNed (0.99)
woot (0.99)
Avg rating: 1.058America:
zekken (1.12)
valyn (0.99)
Zellsis (0.98)
com (0.98)
leaf (0.97)
Avg rating: 1.008Tldr; China > Korea > Turkey > USA
note: after I finish homework, I'll go make a spreadsheet or something and try calculating the best valorant country of 2024 using total stats across the year (may use acs as a marker because china moment)
yeah I was wayyyy to lazy to do allat
derkeboy [#99]bro xeus is very good with rifle but as a jett he doesnt play operator. which is a important thing to consider.
Zekken was not that great at awping at the start of franchising, it can be learnt
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