OCE val needs more attention, Like fr shit is entertaining as and they got good as players like DRAGON and Minimise. Like okay they may not have any VCT pacific teams but trust one day i see that they will get big.
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cyk [#4]Too expensive to run an esport org in Australia, and also the match fix issue
what was the match fix issue
DownLoad_AimLabs [#2]I think OCE can field a good team, but there are no orgs that would/ could fund them
Edit: the only org ik in australia is PWR but they do FN only
PWR wants to expand into val but riot didnt give them a pacific spot. Maybe in 2027 when global esports contract expires
Cheasle2 [#6]PWR wants to expand into val but riot didnt give them a pacific spot. Maybe in 2027 when global esports contract expires
they were given a val slot in pacific ahead of time along side order but order fucked up their finances and so they didnt have enough to fund their valorant team and so riot removed their spot, pwr didnt want to fund the entire roster by themselves so there was no oce team in the end
Zerphyr1 [#7]they were given a val slot in pacific ahead of time along side order but order fucked up their finances and so they didnt have enough to fund their valorant team and so riot removed their spot, pwr didnt want to fund the entire roster by themselves so there was no oce team in the end
interesting
https://x.com/LachlanYT/status/1537360283278393345
Lachy seemed keen, i hope he still is.
DownLoad_AimLabs [#5]what was the match fix issue
pretty sure in cs theres tons of matchfixing in oce idk about in valorant
Cheasle2 [#6]PWR wants to expand into val but riot didnt give them a pacific spot. Maybe in 2027 when global esports contract expires
Trust me Oce won't get slot on India's expense. Even if Global gets removed Riot people work closely with Orangutan in India so either ways that slot would remain with an Indian org.
Anguibok [#13]They need one T1 team, since APAC is so stack, I would love Riot making an exception for China x)
Only hope for APAC in Oceania is GE going into a T1 South Asia... Or maybe RRQ that choose to drop x)
wdym rrq dropping 😠
Invic_Deep [#11]Trust me Oce won't get slot on India's expense. Even if Global gets removed Riot people work closely with Orangutan in India so either ways that slot would remain with an Indian org.
a girl can dream
Anguibok [#19]2 of their player are ID, ID fan are probably fan of PRX x)
That's not how it works... It's like saying OCE doesn't need a team, they have autumn in FPX...
kaibe8 [#20]That's not how it works... It's like saying OCE doesn't need a team, they have autumn in FPX...
This is a malay speaking team, MY-SG-ID share the same language with regional varieties
Anguibok [#21]This is a malay speaking team, MY-SG-ID share the same language with regional varieties
that's not how it works
Anguibok [#21]This is a malay speaking team, MY-SG-ID share the same language with regional varieties
ID needs at least one more team otherwise, our players will spread out across the Pacific (hopefully BOOM wins Ascension).
If you think it's all about the market, then what will happen if Forsaken and Mindfreak leave PRX? no id team???
ID is one of the biggest community in SEA, and still growing up.
At first, I thought you were just joking, lol.
(sorry for oce, but their super team can't even beat boom with severine) and now their ascension team is dogshit (like they're care much more about vacation in japan than playing for ascension and better format)
Gatzk [#23]ID needs at least one more team otherwise, our players will spread out across the Pacific (hopefully BOOM wins Ascension).
If you think it's all about the market, then what will happen if Forsaken and Mindfreak leave PRX? no id team???
ID is one of the biggest community in SEA, and still growing up.
At first, I thought you were just joking, lol.
(sorry for oce, but their super team can't even beat boom with severine) and now their ascension team is dogshit (like they're care much more about vacation in japan than playing for ascension and better format)
Kinda true you have a huge talent pool, probably biggest of the world after CN and USA, I'm trying to see wish of the 10 franchise can be removed for one for OCE but let's be honest this is pretty stack. Things would have been so mush easier if it was GEN or T1 that bough Vision Striker instead of DRX, hard to remove off JP team too since they got so mush hype, again if only DFM got the history of ZETA Riot would probably have only give them one spot... I can't obviously retire any other SEA team since they represent a captive market... And... Only RRQ remained. I don't really wanna RRQ out, it's right MY-SG-ID need a 2nd team, it will probably even a bigger market than JP and ID in 10 years, but that would probably be the least good choice actually (Because I don't really believe that Indonesian people prefer RRQ toward PRX, but you can tell me if i'm wrong and that your case).
So here what are the option for OCE :
- RRQ out, bad but not horrible choice
- GE out because the creation of T1 India : Not gonna happen before 10 years
- Drop an east Asian team : hard to imagine because of history of the 5 teams on LoL and Val
- Please riot to take out one of the noncloutedorg in China and accept Oceania being a part of China (WIsh make no sense geographically, but if OCE talent continue going in China well... It would end making sense historically)
- Separation of Americas and integration of OCE in NA (Hapenned few years ago in LoL, and in val 2021 LCQ), not really realist since SA can't have 8 franchised org with the crisis they are in.
- Expansion to 16 team, with 1 franchised org more or maybe 2 (4/5 ascension team that would make sense with new system, the actual system allow a possibility where you have to play against the finalist of champs to get ascended), would make sense in EMEA because MENA and CIS have no one to represent them, LAN have no one too, NA would like one team more. And about China... Well.. Complicated but I wont spit on more representative for MN, TW, HK and even East Russia. May happen at the end of Ukrainian war
What, to you would be the best solution for a T1 OCE team ? Remove DFM ?
PS : OCE cant beat BME because their talent did left T.T
Anguibok [#24]Kinda true you have a huge talent pool, probably biggest of the world after CN and USA, I'm trying to see wish of the 10 franchise can be removed for one for OCE but let's be honest this is pretty stack. Things would have been so mush easier if it was GEN or T1 that bough Vision Striker instead of DRX, hard to remove off JP team too since they got so mush hype, again if only DFM got the history of ZETA Riot would probably have only give them one spot... I can't obviously retire any other SEA team since they represent a captive market... And... Only RRQ remained. I don't really wanna RRQ out, it's right MY-SG-ID need a 2nd team, it will probably even a bigger market than JP and ID in 10 years, but that would probably be the least good choice actually (Because I don't really believe that Indonesian people prefer RRQ toward PRX, but you can tell me if i'm wrong and that your case).
So here what are the option for OCE :
- RRQ out, bad but not horrible choice
- GE out because the creation of T1 India : Not gonna happen before 10 years
- Drop an east Asian team : hard to imagine because of history of the 5 teams on LoL and Val
- Please riot to take out one of the noncloutedorg in China and accept Oceania being a part of China (WIsh make no sense geographically, but if OCE talent continue going in China well... It would end making sense historically)
- Separation of Americas and integration of OCE in NA (Hapenned few years ago in LoL, and in val 2021 LCQ), not really realist since SA can't have 8 franchised org with the crisis they are in.
- Expansion to 16 team, with 1 franchised org more or maybe 2 (4/5 ascension team that would make sense with new system, the actual system allow a possibility where you have to play against the finalist of champs to get ascended), would make sense in EMEA because MENA and CIS have no one to represent them, LAN have no one too, NA would like one team more. And about China... Well.. Complicated but I wont spit on more representative for MN, TW, HK and even East Russia. May happen at the end of Ukrainian war
What, to you would be the best solution for a T1 OCE team ? Remove DFM ?
PS : OCE cant beat BME because their talent did left T.T
Remove dfm and the views will suffer , remember that CR screwed up the paperworks so DFM had to fill in in the end.
And CR is the Far popular org by all metrics. Not to mention you have orgs like murash and riddle still lurking in Tier2(although they lacked the business and history like dfm and zeta).
You have at least 40k loyal fans who will watch zeta and dfm and that's not even talking about watch parties or if any of zeta and dfm even qualify for masters. These numbers are nothing to sneeze at, even in T2 Valorant you will get similar if not more than t1 itself
After all that investments into the Jp t1 and t2 I doubt the japanese fans would like it if their spot got reduced to 1 and riot probably knows that.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#25]Remove dfm and the views will suffer , remember that CR screwed up the paperworks so DFM had to fill in in the end.
And CR is the Far popular org by all metrics. Not to mention you have orgs like murash and riddle still lurking in Tier2(although they lacked the business and history like dfm and zeta).You have at least 40k loyal fans who will watch zeta and dfm and that's not even talking about watch parties or if any of zeta and dfm even qualify for masters. These numbers are nothing to sneeze at, even in T2 Valorant you will get similar if not more than t1 itself
After all that investments into the Jp t1 and t2 I doubt the japanese fans would like it if their spot got reduced to 1 and riot probably knows that.
Yes, I also think it's hard to not keep 2 T2 JP team.
So what would be the best solution that give a spot to OCE team and why ?
Anguibok [#26]Yes, I also think it's hard to not keep 2 T2 JP team.
So what would be the best solution that give a spot to OCE team and why ?
My urge tells me to relegate global esports because aside from Skrossi and LightningFast, they did absolutely nothing about representing India and South Asia as a whole.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#27]My urge tells me to relegate global esports because aside from Skrossi and LightningFast, they did absolutely nothing about representing India and South Asia as a whole.
Hard to relegate a team that represent a region that have the population of a full T1 region :/
India also need representation
Cheasle2 [#9]interesting
https://x.com/LachlanYT/status/1537360283278393345
Lachy seemed keen, i hope he still is.
hopefully
Anguibok [#28]Hard to relegate a team that represent a region that have the population of a full T1 region :/
India also need representation
That's the thing, they practically never did. What's the use of huge population when none of them ever shows up in viewerships. I can also say the same about RRQ tbh, but at least they did their job of representing ID(partially) even though their viewership sucks.
Or if we are hellbent on keeping the South Asian demographic, relegate GE and get another Indian org who's willing to do their job unlike GE.
Anguibok [#26]Yes, I also think it's hard to not keep 2 T2 JP team.
So what would be the best solution that give a spot to OCE team and why ?
The best solution is to win through ascension and prove it. Since they have a small market and limited talent, don’t sacrifice the ID team. We may have the most liberal supporters, but we still need RRQ as our representative. PRX represents MY & SG, and ID is not that close with them. we only support them bcs our country man, but when they're facing RRQ, most of indos will be in the RRQ side.
Gatzk [#32]The best solution is to win through ascension and prove it. Since they have a small market and limited talent, don’t sacrifice the ID team. We may have the most liberal supporters, but we still need RRQ as our representative. PRX represents MY & SG, and ID is not that close with them. we only support them bcs our country man, but when they're facing RRQ, most of indos will be in the RRQ side.
Is it really though ?
VCT ID's viewership only skyrocket when it's PRX and even if RRQ does rise it's clearly far far lower tha the level of PRX.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#30]That's the thing, they practically never did. What's the use of huge population when none of them ever shows up in viewerships. I can also say the same about RRQ tbh, but at least they did their job of representing ID(partially) even though their viewership sucks.
Or if we are hellbent on keeping the South Asian demographic, relegate GE and get another Indian org who's willing to do their job unlike GE.
Worst idea to have a structure named "Global" when you want to target something specific X.X
Dropping GE would be a horrible sign for the most juicy market in the near future, Riot cant do that :/
RRQ in another hand...
What about expanding to 16 ? (Sometime, I wonder if the solution would be to split every region in 2 with 8 team JP-KR/SEA, EU/MENA-CIS-TR, NA/SA, no Idea what to do with CN it can be either an expansion with TW and MN team and 2 Cn T2, or a contraction where Wolves that kind represent TW considering their player, can go to JP-KR / east Asia (But that would mean drop 3 teams)
Gatzk [#32]The best solution is to win through ascension and prove it. Since they have a small market and limited talent, don’t sacrifice the ID team. We may have the most liberal supporters, but we still need RRQ as our representative. PRX represents MY & SG, and ID is not that close with them. we only support them bcs our country man, but when they're facing RRQ, most of indos will be in the RRQ side.
You really don't support PRX ? Even if half of roster was always from ID ?
And OCE need also team as a representative, they are other option than sacrifice RRQ, what is the one you think is the most reasonable ?
Winning ascension will not be a sustainable position
IonlywatchvcjXD [#33]Is it really though ?
VCT ID's viewership only skyrocket when it's PRX and even if RRQ does rise it's clearly far far lower tha the level of PRX.
no, it's not far lower, PRX has higher viewership globally because of their better performance compared to RRQ.. but RRQ would reach the Indonesian market better if they have strong performance. Personally, I have lost hope in PRX and am more excited about RRQ for the upcoming year.
Anguibok [#35]You really don't support PRX ? Even if half of roster was always from ID ?
And OCE need also team as a representative, they are other option than sacrifice RRQ, what is the one you think is the most reasonable ?
Winning ascension will not be a sustainable position
Create a (Death season) after 3 or 4 years, and whoever finishes at the bottom of the table in that season, riot can introduce a new franchise team (OCE).
Anguibok [#34]Worst idea to have a structure named "Global" when you want to target something specific X.X
Dropping GE would be a horrible sign for the most juicy market in the near future, Riot cant do that :/
RRQ in another hand...What about expanding to 16 ? (Sometime, I wonder if the solution would be to split every region in 2 with 8 team JP-KR/SEA, EU/MENA-CIS-TR, NA/SA, no Idea what to do with CN it can be either an expansion with TW and MN team and 2 Cn T2, or a contraction where Wolves that kind represent TW considering their player, can go to JP-KR / east Asia (But that would mean drop 3 teams)
Not really a good idea tbh :
- Riot can't sustain that, they had to cut funding for partnered teams so there's no chance they're making more partnered teams lol.
- It devalues tier 1 , too many T1 regions e.g JP-KR/SEA, EU/MENA-CIS-TR, NA/SA will make T1 look like a joke(?)
- The views will suck even more, getting a TW and MN team will worsen the viewership if they aren't already.
- Not enough infrastructure, this is just me yapping lol but I don't think riot's existing infrastructure is ready to handle 8 separate regions
Just my opinion tho someone mail John Needham.
Gatzk [#36]no, it's not far lower, PRX has higher viewership globally because of their better performance compared to RRQ.. but RRQ would reach the Indonesian market better if they have strong performance. Personally, I have lost hope in PRX and am more excited about RRQ for the upcoming year.
That's the thing about these teams(not just RRQ), their viewerships are tooooo dependent on their performance, and that is not sustainable. If RRQ performed greatly the views would rise and if they didn't the views would drop, and not to mention the demographic who does this are probably the Indo PRX fans, so RRQ did very little effort to increase their market, their simply "borrowing" them from PRX
They need something consistent to hang on to. that's what separates ZETA and DFM (to a lesser degree) alike from other orgs.
Say what you want about idol culture, but it is the one saving grace the teams that do have it have when there's nothing more the team can show for.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#39]That's the thing about these teams(not just RRQ), their viewerships are tooooo dependent on their performance, and that is not sustainable. If RRQ performed greatly the views would rise and if they didn't the views would drop, and not to mention the demographic who does this are probably the Indo PRX fans, so RRQ did very little effort to increase their market, their simply "borrowing" them from PRX
They need something consistent to hang on to. that's what separates ZETA and DFM (to a lesser degree) alike from other orgs.
Say what you want about idol culture, but it is the one saving grace the teams that do have it have when there's nothing more the team can show for.
ID deserves 1 representative team spot. imagine having 2 or 3 ID players but still known as MY&SG representative (while we're not that bro with them).
Jaox-101 [#40]ID deserves 1 representative team spot. imagine having 2 or 3 ID players but still known as MY&SG representative (while we're not that bro with them).
that's thee point
kaibe8 [#18]I really hoped bonkers would win ascencion last year, but it wasn't realistic.
I hope that they can get a T1 team at some point.
Lets be honest, a region that have 0 T1 experience, that cant scrim T1, that don't have player that have T1 experience will never win Asc, that exactly why OCE need a spot
Gatzk [#37]Create a (Death season) after 3 or 4 years, and whoever finishes at the bottom of the table in that season, riot can introduce a new franchise team (OCE).
Totally unfair, and could lead to same problam that OCE face now
IonlywatchvcjXD [#38]Not really a good idea tbh :
- Riot can't sustain that, they had to cut funding for partnered teams so there's no chance they're making more partnered teams lol.
- It devalues tier 1 , too many T1 regions e.g JP-KR/SEA, EU/MENA-CIS-TR, NA/SA will make T1 look like a joke(?)
- The views will suck even more, getting a TW and MN team will worsen the viewership if they aren't already.
- Not enough infrastructure, this is just me yapping lol but I don't think riot's existing infrastructure is ready to handle 8 separate regions
Just my opinion tho someone mail John Needham.
-1. They made a cut, not because the lack of money but because the lack of efficiency, that mean they have a little bit more money to invest.
-2. Not really, the format would be almost the exact format we have, but with 2 team more per group, and group would no longer be based on luck but on region.
-3. New market can mean potential new viewer that will care about the game they are not them, giving a spot to smaller market is a double-edged sword, this team will have under average viewer, but this will also bring more viewer to other game, so average might actually go up. (MN may be too small I admit, maybe a MN-RU team can be doable)
-4. BR have infrastructure (Riot used it for LoL), SG may have infrastructure, MENA-TR-CIS it's a little bit more tricky, but I don't see how MENA couldn't have infrastructures, r
Additional note : If having 4 full separate region make you afraid, you can have group based on region but a regrouped playoff.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#30]That's the thing, they practically never did. What's the use of huge population when none of them ever shows up in viewerships. I can also say the same about RRQ tbh, but at least they did their job of representing ID(partially) even though their viewership sucks.
Or if we are hellbent on keeping the South Asian demographic, relegate GE and get another Indian org who's willing to do their job unlike GE.
I can also say the same about RRQ tbh, but at least they did their job of representing ID(partially) even though their viewership sucks.
ID viewership are far from sucks.. ID viewership are neck to neck with TH (Thailand) and both ID and TH are 2nd and 3rd after JP viewership (even its a far margin between JP to ID/TH), even KR T2 view are lower than ID and TH.
Anguibok [#42]Lets be honest, a region that have 0 T1 experience, that cant scrim T1, that don't have player that have T1 experience will never win Asc, that exactly why OCE need a spot
You're not wrong.
Technically they do have autumn though
kaibe8 [#46]You're not wrong.
Technically they do have autumn though
Yup, but they still play in CN sadfully, so I'm not sure his experience is usefull for OCE yet (Same for Swerl) With that 2 player OCE have a strong basis
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