https://x.com/VALO2ASIA/status/1805238833052885108
doing this after 4 SEA teams just qualifed for VCT pacific playoffs is WILDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#3]I mean if Americas is combined, I don't see how this is that bad. The weakest region combining makes a lot of sense to me idk. Larger pool = there should be less bronze talent at the big events?
SEA=weakest region? That's fucked
ButterflyEffect23 [#4]SEA=weakest region? That's fucked
A lot of shit is fucked man. We just say it how it is these days. LOUD IS FINISHED I KNOW
i_am_mako [#2]FR THIS IS FUCKED IMO
THEY CAN MAKE A WHOLE FUCKING REGION FOR CHINA BUT NOT SEPRATE THESE BIG REGIONS
vct glazing china and absolutely disrespecting the sea region is ridiculous
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#3]I mean if Americas is combined, I don't see how this is that bad. The weakest region combining makes a lot of sense to me idk. Larger pool = there should be less bronze talent at the big events?
Americas t2 is not combined lol
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#3]I mean if Americas is combined, I don't see how this is that bad. The weakest region combining makes a lot of sense to me idk. Larger pool = there should be less bronze talent at the big events?
i give you the football terms
SEA = Western Europe of Valorant
the talent pool is super deep in SEA
there's alot of talented players still stuck in tier 2
FDWC- [#11]i give you the football terms
SEA = Western Europe of Valorant
the talent pool is super deep in SEA
there's alot of talented players still stuck in tier 2
I'm chatting shit to be fair; I don't really follow the scene. You have piqued my interest now tho... Anyway, my sentiment is still the same, the region is probably too small to have its own individual challenger's circuit. Rito is just moving like the money machine they always have been, not much more to it for them than that I'd assume.
There are way to many t2 leagues anyway.
But what I do t understand a bad is why isn’t Taiwan and hongkong ties to the China league?
The fact that Indonesia
- Malaysia/Singapore
- Philippines
- Thailand
- Vietnam
- Taiwan/Hong Kong
They all had their own leagues is CRAZY
SEA, SA, OCE, KR, JP should be enough t2 leagues lol.
Now do the same with EU and we are finally cooking.
Demon1_The_GOAT [#14]Who cares, its just Challengers. I'm confused. Someone explain how this will impact VCT?
It just turns 50 t2 teams competing to represent sea into 10 so only the good teams have a chance to face Korea / Japan in the playoffs of ascension.
It does mean teams with names like “Nigs” probably won’t be in tournaments
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#12]I'm chatting shit to be fair; I don't really follow the scene. You have piqued my interest now tho... Anyway, my sentiment is still the same, the region is probably too small to have its own individual challenger's circuit. Rito is just moving like the money machine they always have been, not much more to it for them than that I'd assume.
the region is probably too small to have its own individual challenger's circuit.
would agree if this is true, but SEA is a pretty big region
bigger than NA,SA & OCE
but at the end of the day riot only cares about the views & money
LouBag [#13]There are way to many t2 leagues anyway.
But what I do t understand a bad is why isn’t Taiwan and hongkong ties to the China league?
The fact that Indonesia
- Malaysia/Singapore
- Philippines
- Thailand
- Vietnam
- Taiwan/Hong Kong
They all had their own leagues is CRAZY
SEA, SA, OCE, KR, JP should be enough t2 leagues lol.
Now do the same with EU and we are finally cooking.
no my problem is the fact that india & oce will probably get the same slots as SEA is mind fucking boggling to me (hope its not the case)
that's just straight bullshit
LouBag [#15]It just turns 50 t2 teams competing to represent sea into 10 so only the good teams have a chance to face Korea / Japan in the playoffs of ascension.
It does mean teams with names like “Nigs” probably won’t be in tournaments
Who is nigs?
IonlywatchvcjXD [#22]They're catching strays fr 🤣.
nah they were trying to be racist, the original name was ninjas in germany
and when forced to change it, they still kept the premise to ninjas in galaxy
gordonramsay [#21]either way only the strongest in sea will represent them in ascension now. We could either see some real strong sea rosters in t2 or the talent starts fading away.
We could either see some real strong sea rosters in t2 or the talent starts fading away.
probably both
gordonramsay [#21]either way only the strongest in sea will represent them in ascension now. We could either see some real strong sea rosters in t2 or the talent starts fading away.
They should absolutely give SEA multiple slots in ascension now if they are merging these many regions together, no? Like VCL NA has 2 ascension slots because it's a massive region.
FDWC- [#16]the region is probably too small to have its own individual challenger's circuit.
would agree if this is true, but SEA is a pretty big region
bigger than NA,SA & OCE
but at the end of the day riot only cares about the views & money
I don't live in sea but being bigger in NA I would be surprised
FDWC- [#16]the region is probably too small to have its own individual challenger's circuit.
would agree if this is true, but SEA is a pretty big region
bigger than NA,SA & OCE
but at the end of the day riot only cares about the views & money
Does SEA players purchase lots of skins? Or is it just a minority who does so?
What I'm saying is there are lots of players but probably only few are willing to spend money on the game 😅
FDWC- [#17]no my problem is the fact that india & oce will probably get the same slots as SEA is mind fucking boggling to me (hope its not the case)
that's just straight bullshit
I am hopeful they won't do this insanity and would go 4 for SEA and 2 each for everyone else
Ballsamolee [#33]hopefully riot gives sea at least 3 or 4 slots for ascension
all the SEA subregion makes up 5 slots last year
yUU-Yuu [#18]this is bs any tie2 teams in each country in sea can body kr and japan tier 2 but getting them free pass wtf is this sht and give free pass to SA and OCE thats 0 team servers
oi they shouldve included oce into the mix then we would have more chance to get signed by showing our talent to a bigger audience, but ofc keep isolating us 😭. Also we arent that bad we came 5-6th in ascension and made it out of the group which had scarz, bleed, dplus kia
Al-Mawsil [#36]oi they shouldve included oce into the mix then we would have more chance to get signed by showing our talent to a bigger audience, but ofc keep isolating us 😭. Also we arent that bad we came 5-6th in ascension and made it out of the group which had scarz, bleed, dplus kia
papa rito too greedy, they will not give OCE teams money to build basecamp on SEA because of ping diff
LouBag [#13]There are way to many t2 leagues anyway.
But what I do t understand a bad is why isn’t Taiwan and hongkong ties to the China league?
The fact that Indonesia
- Malaysia/Singapore
- Philippines
- Thailand
- Vietnam
- Taiwan/Hong Kong
They all had their own leagues is CRAZY
SEA, SA, OCE, KR, JP should be enough t2 leagues lol.
Now do the same with EU and we are finally cooking.
Because players in Taiwan and Hong Kong use Riot's client, while players in mainland China use Tencent's client.But TW/HK player doesnt count as import in CN league.So technically, they can choose to go to the VCT CN or the Pacific whatever they want.
LouBag [#13]There are way to many t2 leagues anyway.
But what I do t understand a bad is why isn’t Taiwan and hongkong ties to the China league?
The fact that Indonesia
- Malaysia/Singapore
- Philippines
- Thailand
- Vietnam
- Taiwan/Hong Kong
They all had their own leagues is CRAZY
SEA, SA, OCE, KR, JP should be enough t2 leagues lol.
Now do the same with EU and we are finally cooking.
You can make Indonesian and Taiwan on the same server, you have to make at least a T2 region that play online in Hong Kong (TW-PH-VN) and a server that play in Singapore, but still with 2 server, Thailand should be left alone, Indonesia and Thailand have more viewer alone have more viewer than Korea
About EU dont forgat that France without M8 got more viewer than NA
Invic_Deep [#30]I am hopeful they won't do this insanity and would go 4 for SEA and 2 each for everyone else
Thats the case in ever T2 region, every T2 region got the same number of slot, every T2 region is on an equal foot
Calm tf down this is a big W
The scene is not currently sustainable, all those leagues are money holes that are bound to collapse. APAC and EMEA have wayyy too many leagues. EMEA with 2/3 leagues would be 10 times more fun, competitive and sustainable long term, hope they go that route. Every region can maintain a tier 3 league like Spain has to keep creating talent and have like a second ascension
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#3]I mean if Americas is combined, I don't see how this is that bad. The weakest region combining makes a lot of sense to me idk. Larger pool = there should be less bronze talent at the big events?
what is bro yapping about
FDWC- [#17]no my problem is the fact that india & oce will probably get the same slots as SEA is mind fucking boggling to me (hope its not the case)
that's just straight bullshit
KEKW
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#3]I mean if Americas is combined, I don't see how this is that bad. The weakest region combining makes a lot of sense to me idk. Larger pool = there should be less bronze talent at the big events?
sea region has the most talent in asia by far (besides maybe korea)
while SOUTH ASIA AND OCE GET THEIR OWN SLOTS
LIKE WHAT??
Mortadelo [#43]Calm tf down this is a big W
The scene is not currently sustainable, all those leagues are money holes that are bound to collapse. APAC and EMEA have wayyy too many leagues. EMEA with 2/3 leagues would be 10 times more fun, competitive and sustainable long term, hope they go that route. Every region can maintain a tier 3 league like Spain has to keep creating talent and have like a second ascension
no its not
if this happend in emea
its possible gentle mates might not have made ascension
cause your not telling me they were the best team in all of t2 EU
there was so many teams that were seen as better
but in the end gentle mates won cause they got their shit together in the longevity of the tourney
this change ruins chances for all the included regions and makes it even harder for teams to ascend
CoCloudy [#50]no its not
if this happend in emea
its possible gentle mates might not have made ascension
cause your not telling me they were the best team in all of t2 EU
there was so many teams that were seen as better
but in the end gentle mates won cause they got their shit together in the longevity of the tourneythis change ruins chances for all the included regions and makes it even harder for teams to ascend
TRUEEEEEE
CoCloudy [#50]no its not
if this happend in emea
its possible gentle mates might not have made ascension
cause your not telling me they were the best team in all of t2 EU
there was so many teams that were seen as better
but in the end gentle mates won cause they got their shit together in the longevity of the tourneythis change ruins chances for all the included regions and makes it even harder for teams to ascend
I dont think that M8 joining EMEA is the win you think it is lol
Anguibok [#41]Thats the case in ever T2 region, every T2 region got the same number of slot, every T2 region is on an equal foot
But it doesn't make sense in our case SEA clearly had best teams in the whole region .
Most of the times top 4 here would be better than all other teams from SA,JP,Korea and Oce
I don't think people here realize just how screwed Vietnam is here
- ID, MY/SG, PH, and TH all have teams already in franchising
- HK/TW players can play in China without having import status
Challengers was quite literally the only pathway for teams like Fancy United and Team Flash to get into franchising and Riot decided to make that damn near impossible now
Mortadelo [#43]Calm tf down this is a big W
The scene is not currently sustainable, all those leagues are money holes that are bound to collapse. APAC and EMEA have wayyy too many leagues. EMEA with 2/3 leagues would be 10 times more fun, competitive and sustainable long term, hope they go that route. Every region can maintain a tier 3 league like Spain has to keep creating talent and have like a second ascension
rare mortadelo L.
it'll be a more fun and competitive league than what we have right now sure but the tier 3 scene will just die man
Strobe [#56]why give 2 slot to south asia tho I don't understand, we are not that good to deserve 2 slots , anyways SA team is gonna come last lol
Who tell u that SA got 2 slots
PP12123213123 [#57]Who tell u that SA got 2 slots
its not confirmed, i saw it on twitter while scrolling that all the regions will get 2 slots except sea which will get 3/4
it could be cap tho
CoCloudy [#49]sea region has the most talent in asia by far (besides maybe korea)
while SOUTH ASIA AND OCE GET THEIR OWN SLOTS
LIKE WHAT??
Even the OCE guys are flabbergasted
CoCloudy [#50]no its not
if this happend in emea
its possible gentle mates might not have made ascension
cause your not telling me they were the best team in all of t2 EU
there was so many teams that were seen as better
but in the end gentle mates won cause they got their shit together in the longevity of the tourneythis change ruins chances for all the included regions and makes it even harder for teams to ascend
I don’t understand your point at all. M8 won, and I don’t see how they wouldn’t have been able to go on that run if they were on a league with the other regions instead of going on a run at Ascension, how is it any different?
And if they didn’t well, that’s alright someone else would have, this is not the point of the format. The point is to make a sustainable tier 2, which if it stays separate like this, it was bound to die soon anyway
luckypleb [#55]rare mortadelo L.
it'll be a more fun and competitive league than what we have right now sure but the tier 3 scene will just die man
There will be less place for orgs and less jobs for players that is for sure. Tier 3 players here in Spain get payed very little (have another job quite often), and I understand why it’s not gonna be well received by that part. Have to look at it with a completely different mindset, and with this change that scene would grow a lot too
But you need to look at the bigger picture, those jobs weren’t gonna be maintained for a long time anyway. Tier 2 orgs are leaving Valorant massively because rn it just doesn’t make sense.
Look, I probably need more research on the SEA situation, maybe you can help me. But my head thinks of applying this to EMEA and thinks is great. Look at Polaris for example, they have 1 org. Half of the EMEA leagues struggle to get 1k viewers, idk about the SEA ones, but here it’s just not viable. Each year they have less viewers, less orgs and less money, they were all gonna end up dying
Strobe [#59]its not confirmed, i saw it on twitter while scrolling that all the regions will get 2 slots except sea which will get 3/4
it could be cap tho
4 slots for SEA ?,when they have team FS MITH NAOS BOOM AE ELEVATE DSG and BLEED next year, should be min 5, SA?
Arm4jay [#67]4 slots for SEA ?,when they have team FS MITH NAOS BOOM AE ELEVATE DSG and BLEED next year, should be min 5, SA?
bro snuck in DSG
Invic_Deep [#53]But it doesn't make sense in our case SEA clearly had best teams in the whole region .
Most of the times top 4 here would be better than all other teams from SA,JP,Korea and Oce
What are you smoking? Only PRX is there. DRX, T1, and GenG along with PRX have always been in top 4 for every pacific tourney since the start. And all of them are Korean. I have my bets on the Korean team to win Ascension this time around.
cristiadu [#70]is this really that bad?
Nah he just overacting, hes probably doesnt even know what hes talking about LMFAO
one reason why they merged SEA is probably about viewers, so that ALL SEA viewership becomes one and brings huge numbers
is not even that bad & i personally think is good..idk why tf everyone is so mad about
Beyonder2 [#73]If they allocate the slots (KR 2, JP 2, OCE 1, SA 1, and SEA 4) for Ascension, I honestly wouldn't mind
ye that what im saying, why tf is everone so mad about
SEA become 1 is good for the viewership, Imagine Thai vs indo team....that will be huge numbers
cristiadu [#70]is this really that bad?
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1653/champions-tour-2023-americas-ascension
just imagine brazil & NA league (with the deepest talent pool) got merged and only getting 3 slots for ascension
meanwhile argentina,colombia & 1 dead region getting their own league and getting 2 slots each
jiancik [#68]If they do this, they should merge KR JP and China together no?
Jp currently are plagued with imports, where jp talents have to compete against imports just to get into one of the t2 orgs IN THEIR OWN LEAGUE. the last thing jp needs is a merge between kr and jp.
Getsyuga [#71]What are you smoking? Only PRX is there. DRX, T1, and GenG along with PRX have always been in top 4 for every pacific tourney since the start. And all of them are Korean. I have my bets on the Korean team to win Ascension this time around.
They are all in T1 now bro , I am talking abt current T2, people overrated Korea last year and you saw what happened to Damwon Kia.
They are good region but no way they win ascension, SEA teams are just mechanically better.
Beyonder2 [#73]If they allocate the slots (KR 2, JP 2, OCE 1, SA 1, and SEA 4) for Ascension, I honestly wouldn't mind
yes i wouldn't mind this at all
but we're probably getting 3 slots max and i got a problem with that
jiancik [#68]If they do this, they should merge KR JP and China together no?
Probably yes. Not China tho? That’s not APAC
Mortadelo [#81]Probably yes. Not China tho? That’s not APAC
China is part of APAC tho
but it will become "East Asia Challengers League"
FDWC- [#82]China is part of APAC tho
but it will become "East Asia Challengers League"
Brother, respectfuly, a merge between 3 of these countries is near impossible.
FDWC- [#77]https://www.vlr.gg/event/1653/champions-tour-2023-americas-ascension
just imagine brazil & NA league (with the deepest talent pool) got merged and only getting 3 slots for ascension
meanwhile argentina,colombia & 1 dead region getting their own league and getting 2 slots each
they not even announce it yet, stop overreacting and talking nonsense lil bro
BRO MAD FOR NO REASON KKKKKKK
CoCloudy [#50]no its not
if this happend in emea
its possible gentle mates might not have made ascension
cause your not telling me they were the best team in all of t2 EU
there was so many teams that were seen as better
but in the end gentle mates won cause they got their shit together in the longevity of the tourneythis change ruins chances for all the included regions and makes it even harder for teams to ascend
Lets be honnest, some Pacific T2 league are not viable, seems only ID and TW where viable enough, (and maybe VN), it have to be a merge, but a merge that big is kinda an L? because of ping issues. It would have be smart to make 3 league based on server :
- Hong-Kong Server : East SEA with VN-PH-TW-HK
- Singapore Server (Malay speaking) with ID-MY-SG
- Singapore Server (Mainland SEA beside VN) with TH-CB-LA-MM
FDWC- [#80]yes i wouldn't mind this at all
but we're probably getting 3 slots max and i got a problem with that
Damn, I was kinda thinking, if there were no mobile games, we’d probably be pulling 400k viewership in Valorant since we had an FPS culture (Point Blank, CS 1.6, CSGO, etc.) back then. If that happened, we'd probably have 2 teams (RRQ and Boom/Onic) in the franchise LMAO
IonlywatchvcjXD [#28]Does SEA players purchase lots of skins? Or is it just a minority who does so?
What I'm saying is there are lots of players but probably only few are willing to spend money on the game 😅
so ur saying india and oce spend equal money on this game than my sg id ph th vn combined? xdd
FDWC- [#80]yes i wouldn't mind this at all
but we're probably getting 3 slots max and i got a problem with that
Riot will probably see how each of these regions performs in ascension and then they'll allocate slots. But SEA is getting atleast 3 for sure.
kaesra [#87]so ur saying india and oce spend equal money on this game than my sg id ph th vn combined? xdd
I am not saying that, and going by what you just said the fact that you had to combine 6 sea countries to match both india and oce means y'all are worse than bad bro. Which is not the case. I'm just trying to say bigger isn't necessarily better.
cristiadu [#70]is this really that bad?
People reaction was bas at first because we thought sea will get the same amount of ascension slots as other leagues but it was confirmed sea will have more
IonlywatchvcjXD [#89]I am not saying that, and going by what you just said the fact that you had to combine 6 sea countries to match both india and oce means y'all are worse than bad bro. Which is not the case. I'm just trying to say bigger isn't necessarily better.
thats crazy cuz thailand literally pulls 3x more viewers than south asia🤣
kaesra [#91]thats crazy cuz thailand literally pulls 3x more viewers than south asia🤣
Bro wtf the gap between jp and the rest is like grand canyon 😂
IonlywatchvcjXD [#92]Bro wtf the gap between jp and the rest is like grand canyon 😂
yea japan fans are crazy xdd
FDWC- [#82]China is part of APAC tho
but it will become "East Asia Challengers League"
Not in Valorant, it isn’t. China is a different region
Kurea [#95]they pulling these after the last ascension champs was SEA teams is wild tho.but guess what looks like this riot jaker never beating allegation for having wet dream turning APAC to only have korean players.
wait I never heard of this. what is it between jake and korean?
IonlywatchvcjXD [#96]wait I never heard of this. what is it between jake and korean?
he was in fact is korean tho
Kurea [#97]he was in fact is korean tho
lol no wonder jp are full of imports (mostly koreans) and no one cares, he probably prefers that anyways XD (this is a joke, don't take it srsly)
IonlywatchvcjXD [#83]Brother, respectfuly, a merge between 3 of these countries is near impossible.
nah imagine SPG playing in front of the Chinese crowd for a franchise slot😭 😭
Invic_Deep [#79]They are all in T1 now bro , I am talking abt current T2, people overrated Korea last year and you saw what happened to Damwon Kia.
They are good region but no way they win ascension, SEA teams are just mechanically better.
To be fair Damwon were literally the only team to Bleed in a series in Ascension. In fact, they straight up 2-0ed them. I think everybody forgot that.
archetype [#103]To be fair Damwon were literally the only team to Bleed in a series in Ascension. In fact, they straight up 2-0ed them. I think everybody forgot that.
But they also went down to Bonkers with no disrespect for them they were clearly having logistical issues and hence were a 5-6th rank type team. So isolated examples don't really prove much.
Invic_Deep [#104]But they also went down to Bonkers with no disrespect for them they were clearly having logistical issues and hence were a 5-6th rank type team. So isolated examples don't really prove much.
You can consider the loss to Bonkers to be the isolated example too though. Damwon only lost to SCARZ and Bonkers, and they beat BLEED and OGT.
Beating eventual winners, losing to 2nd place, and getting upset. Idk. Pretty sure in that tournament Damwon beat SEA's best team and SA's best team, lost to JP's best team, and also lost to OCE's best team.
archetype [#105]You can consider the loss to Bonkers to be the isolated example too though. Damwon only lost to SCARZ and Bonkers, and they beat BLEED and OGT.
Beating eventual winners, losing to 2nd place, and getting upset. Idk. Pretty sure in that tournament Damwon beat SEA's best team and SA's best team, lost to JP's best team, and also lost to OCE's best team.
That's what I meant too that both of them are isolated examples and we can't look too much into them.
I hope and I feel this year Korean team will make playoffs but they haven't got what it takes to win it against some of those heavy hitting SEA teams. Would be happy to be proven wrong though
Mortadelo [#43]Calm tf down this is a big W
The scene is not currently sustainable, all those leagues are money holes that are bound to collapse. APAC and EMEA have wayyy too many leagues. EMEA with 2/3 leagues would be 10 times more fun, competitive and sustainable long term, hope they go that route. Every region can maintain a tier 3 league like Spain has to keep creating talent and have like a second ascension
Its pretty hard to make emea only have 2 or 3 leagues tho.
Turkey and Mena both need their own league bc of ping.
You could combine Dach + Polaris + France and Spain + Italy + Portugal but apart from that its pretty hard i think
Invic_Deep [#106]That's what I meant too that both of them are isolated examples and we can't look too much into them.
I hope and I feel this year Korean team will make playoffs but they haven't got what it takes to win it against some of those heavy hitting SEA teams. Would be happy to be proven wrong though
I mean if anything Korea has a winning record against SEA teams in general no? Idk where the narrative came from that SEA were aimdiffing KR teams when in reality I'm pretty sure no SEA team has a winning record over Korea, besides maybe PRX and even then they still looked mortal vs GEN.G this year.
Like I said earlier, during Ascension Dplus didn't even lose to an SEA team and the one time they did face an SEA team, it was SEA's dominant number 1 team and they 2-0ed them.
Anguibok [#85]Lets be honnest, some Pacific T2 league are not viable, seems only ID and TW where viable enough, (and maybe VN), it have to be a merge, but a merge that big is kinda an L? because of ping issues. It would have be smart to make 3 league based on server :
- Hong-Kong Server : East SEA with VN-PH-TW-HK
- Singapore Server (Malay speaking) with ID-MY-SG
- Singapore Server (Mainland SEA beside VN) with TH-CB-LA-MM
i agree with these
_amBrian [#54]I don't think people here realize just how screwed Vietnam is here
- ID, MY/SG, PH, and TH all have teams already in franchising
- HK/TW players can play in China without having import status
Challengers was quite literally the only pathway for teams like Fancy United and Team Flash to get into franchising and Riot decided to make that damn near impossible now
VN looking pretty strong icl
they will be just fine
Mortadelo [#64]There will be less place for orgs and less jobs for players that is for sure. Tier 3 players here in Spain get payed very little (have another job quite often), and I understand why it’s not gonna be well received by that part. Have to look at it with a completely different mindset, and with this change that scene would grow a lot too
But you need to look at the bigger picture, those jobs weren’t gonna be maintained for a long time anyway. Tier 2 orgs are leaving Valorant massively because rn it just doesn’t make sense.
Look, I probably need more research on the SEA situation, maybe you can help me. But my head thinks of applying this to EMEA and thinks is great. Look at Polaris for example, they have 1 org. Half of the EMEA leagues struggle to get 1k viewers, idk about the SEA ones, but here it’s just not viable. Each year they have less viewers, less orgs and less money, they were all gonna end up dying
Bro didnt check stats https://youtu.be/MKTPU2REug8?si=kBkByNB8wXjNTIVR&t=205 here it's a timcodee with every T2 viewer data, FR got more average view than NA, TR wish is arguably one of the most fanatic T2 region got less average view than Thailand, I agree they are some region that should merge (PT, IT, MY, TW, VN,) but removing EU T2 region would make no sense at all
Liem [#107]Its pretty hard to make emea only have 2 or 3 leagues tho.
Turkey and Mena both need their own league bc of ping.
You could combine Dach + Polaris + France and Spain + Italy + Portugal but apart from that its pretty hard i think
I think what you said it's just fine, I don't see why it can't be done. Maybe move France with Spain and add East to Dach and Polaris.
I don't see why it can't be done and it would fix a lot of all the issues current tier 2 has
Mortadelo [#112]I think what you said it's just fine, I don't see why it can't be done. Maybe move France with Spain and add East to Dach and Polaris.
I don't see why it can't be done and it would fix a lot of all the issues current tier 2 has
then it would still be 4 leagues
MENA
Turkey
DACH Polaris East
Spain France Italy Portugal
Anguibok [#111]Bro didnt check stats https://youtu.be/MKTPU2REug8?si=kBkByNB8wXjNTIVR&t=205 here it's a timcodee with every T2 viewer data, FR got more average view than NA, TR wish is arguably one of the most fanatic T2 region got less average view than Thailand, I agree they are some region that should merge (PT, IT, MY, TW, VN,) but removing EU T2 region would make no sense at all
Lol looking at that data, it actually makes all the sense in the world. France and Turkey are the only 2 leagues in EMEA that will survive in the long term without merging. Look at Polaris buddy, they don't even have anyone who wants to organize it. Orgs leaving everywhere left and right, players not getting paid etc
i_am_mako [#2]FR THIS IS FUCKED IMO
THEY CAN MAKE A WHOLE FUCKING REGION FOR CHINA BUT NOT SEPRATE THESE BIG REGIONS
big?
SleepyBear [#84]they not even announce it yet, stop overreacting and talking nonsense lil bro
BRO MAD FOR NO REASON KKKKKKK
SEA getting 3 slots and SA getting 2 slots you tards
its super obvious that RIOT are trying to revive india valorant
unless they changed ascension slots from 10 to 12 and it will be a different story
Liem [#113]then it would still be 4 leagues
MENA
Turkey
DACH Polaris East
Spain France Italy Portugal
Any variation of that works for me. More leagues or less idc. I'm just saying what we have currently just doesn't work
Also you know what I would do? Make a regular season with those 4 leagues, and let the playoffs be unified, top 3 of each region qualifies. And have 1 unified champion each split. We need more region clash or this shit is dead soon
FDWC- [#116]SEA getting 3 slots and SA getting 2 slots you tards
its super obvious that RIOT are trying to revive india valorant
unless they changed ascension slots from 10 to 12 and it will be a different story
WHO THE FUCK TELLING U THAT ? UR FCKING STUPID BRAIN ?
Bro out here telling nonsense fake information base on his own imagination
bro said Source : Trust me bro KKKKKKK
Mortadelo [#114]Lol looking at that data, it actually makes all the sense in the world. France and Turkey are the only 2 leagues in EMEA that will survive in the long term without merging. Look at Polaris buddy, they don't even have anyone who wants to organize it. Orgs leaving everywhere left and right, players not getting paid etc
So basically make a merging that will kill regions that are viable (Again FR > NA, wish basically make the league dumb to merge), for making a big region that may not be viable (If you have one UE region with no french team you just loose french audience, it's as easy than this). DASH is okay, they even expanding the league to 10 and having almost a full roster of organisation, ES being that low make absolutely no sense, it's a region with a strong identity and they have the potential to be higher (Especially if Riot guarantee they are at least one PT and one IT teams), and then you have EUE and EUN that struggle but may rise because of lot of effort of Bodork, and the amazing diversity of eastern region.
Also, they will obviously have no merge between Europe and LNA/GCCI for ping and identity region, so the region that need the most will stay all alone, it would make things even more unbalanced if we have a massive T2 league that compete against small T2 league, best format, is format where every league have roughly the same level, and thats possible with the actual boundary of T2
Anguibok [#119]So basically make a merging that will kill regions that are viable (Again FR > NA, wish basically make the league dumb to merge), for making a big region that may not be viable (If you have one UE region with no french team you just loose french audience, it's as easy than this). DASH is okay, they even expanding the league to 10 and having almost a full roster of organisation, ES being that low make absolutely no sense, it's a region with a strong identity and they have the potential to be higher (Especially if Riot guarantee they are at least one PT and one IT teams), and then you have EUE and EUN that struggle but may rise because of lot of effort of Bodork, and the amazing diversity of eastern region.
Also, they will obviously have no merge between Europe and LNA/GCCI for ping and identity region, so the region that need the most will stay all alone, it would make things even more unbalanced if we have a massive T2 league that compete against small T2 league, best format, is format where every league have roughly the same level, and thats possible with the actual boundary of T2
I don't think you're aware of how bad the situation is in tier 2 at all. When I say the regions won't survive I mean they will all end up very similar to Polaris other than France/Turkey maybe someone else. Look at LOL man, there are barely 2 successful leagues and even Superliga is crashing rn. It's absolutely delusional to think any of those leagues are gonna thrive
And I'm not killing any region at all, #113 and #117 is what I mean, give 3/4 spots to Spain France Italy and Portugal. This won't be killing any scene at all, completely opposite. Tell me French fans won't be more excited to watch Mandatory or Joblife play Barça or UCAM than they will Valiant. Specially when I come out and tell them all French teams are shit and that we own them and get them triggered, wayyyyy more fun, entertaining, competitive and sustainable long term.
Start a tier 3 league like Liga Radiante to develop more talent if that's what worries you. https://www.vlr.gg/event/2081/circuito-tormenta-liga-radiante-2024-split-2
Can even have a tier 3 to tier 2 ascension
Arm4jay [#67]4 slots for SEA ?,when they have team FS MITH NAOS BOOM AE ELEVATE DSG and BLEED next year, should be min 5, SA?
lets wait for riot to give info, there is too much mis-information in the air rn
SleepyBear [#118]WHO THE FUCK TELLING U THAT ? UR FCKING STUPID BRAIN ?
Bro out here telling nonsense fake information base on his own imagination
bro said Source : Trust me bro KKKKKKK
https://x.com/ValorantEsports/status/1804167488713990343
Capping the International Leagues at 12 teams
you're looking like a clown out here
FDWC- [#126]https://x.com/ValorantEsports/status/1804167488713990343
Capping the International Leagues at 12 teams
you're looking like a clown out here
OH WOW what a surprise, everything you say is TRUE and everything in the link said exactly what u write
- 12 teams
- SEA getting 3 slots
-SA getting 2 slots
what else ?
congrats bro, are u Happy now ? for trying hard to look right
your mom must be so proud of you.
Kurea [#95]they pulling these after the last ascension champs was SEA teams is wild tho.but guess what looks like this riot jaker never beating allegation for having wet dream turning APAC to only have korean players.
Why sea fans regurgitating the same dumb ass narrative. U guys are poor and financially unstable. Yet you want more opportunities than other regions. This is all a business.
FDWC- [#110]VN looking pretty strong icl
they will be just fine
Even if Vietnam ends up being the best subregion to come out of SEA, the merger still screws them over.
In most of the other regions, good Tier 2 players who just barely missed out on the Ascension slot still had a shot of making it into Tier 1 through their region's respective franchise reps (hiroronn to ZETA, CR to DFM, Wild0reoo/NDG to TS, iZu to T1, the list goes on). Vietnam does not have this luxury; if the team can't get in through Ascension, that's it.
Can an org from another region sign someone like YESicaN into their roster? Sure, this has happened multiple times. But what results out of it is a mixed bag, and ultimately not an ideal way to grow Viet talent.
The only silver lining here is that SEA will get more Ascension slots (Ideally it should be ~4 slots for how big this region is), but this still worries me.
Mortadelo [#120]I don't think you're aware of how bad the situation is in tier 2 at all. When I say the regions won't survive I mean they will all end up very similar to Polaris other than France/Turkey maybe someone else. Look at LOL man, there are barely 2 successful leagues and even Superliga is crashing rn. It's absolutely delusional to think any of those leagues are gonna thrive
And I'm not killing any region at all, #113 and #117 is what I mean, give 3/4 spots to Spain France Italy and Portugal. This won't be killing any scene at all, completely opposite. Tell me French fans won't be more excited to watch Mandatory or Joblife play Barça or UCAM than they will Valiant. Specially when I come out and tell them all French teams are shit and that we own them and get them triggered, wayyyyy more fun, entertaining, competitive and sustainable long term.
Start a tier 3 league like Liga Radiante to develop more talent if that's what worries you. https://www.vlr.gg/event/2081/circuito-tormenta-liga-radiante-2024-split-2
Can even have a tier 3 to tier 2 ascension
That will push french team to be more competitive, and that would push French team to have a lot of important making French even more unappealed and may kill T2 hype in France, look at EMEA T2 region, almost all of them are viable :
Start with EU :
- France Viable alone, insane viewership
- DACH : Viable alone, all of their team are own by good org
- IBIT Viable alone especially now they have merge with IT and PT (6 Spanish team may not even be enough)
- EUE : Struggle a little, but have a lot of org, they will thrive is they force quota, having at least one Yougo team, one GR-CY-IS-AL team, one HU-RO team to make rivalries storytell and hype people (Too many PL-CZ player right now), may be even better when war is over and more Ukrainian player can join.
- EUN : Struggle a lot, but is the richest market in EMEA, lot of work for Polaris to make it work, i'm sure they will find org (Especially if Apeks is gone and the league seems winnable), it's litterally the best Tournament Organiser actually, but thats the hardest league
For other part of EMEA out of EU :
- TR, viable alone
- CIS, will be viable alone
- MENA, biggest market in EMEA, long term investment when MENA will be more developed (Mena's population is basically EU population), will be viable alone one day or another, and you cant marge them with anyone so...
To conclude situation between SEA and EMEA isnt the same, they are really few org in SEA, (but enough to have 3 league of 8), SEA got a lot of not viable league, with lot of orgless team, that play on the same server and with a kinda low viewership, while Europe have a majority of league full of org, wish every league have their server, and with a promising viewership, and you have only 2 not viable league that cant really merge.
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#3]I mean if Americas is combined, I don't see how this is that bad. The weakest region combining makes a lot of sense to me idk. Larger pool = there should be less bronze talent at the big events?
"weakest region" bro paper rex has carried pacific the last 2 years gen.g won a tournament because of learning from prx in attack and defense wtfdym weakest region when australia india china and japan exist in the same region as sea and they all have their own league? this bullshit is like merging brazil and latam south but leavin latam north as their own league
gordonramsay [#128]Why sea fans regurgitating the same dumb ass narrative. U guys are poor and financially unstable. Yet you want more opportunities than other regions. This is all a business.
NPC. they just won last ascension tho? want more opportunity? are you that clueless.the slot already given from 6 respective region that already had pre existed challenger which already running for years. we just want keep the slot as it is, your the one with stupid narrative making us want more opportunity.
Kurea [#132]NPC. they just won last ascension tho? want more opportunity? are you that clueless.the slot already given from 6 respective region that already had pre existed challenger which already running for years. we just want keep the slot as it is, your the one with stupid narrative making us want more opportunity.
exactly
gordonramsay [#128]Why sea fans regurgitating the same dumb ass narrative. U guys are poor and financially unstable. Yet you want more opportunities than other regions. This is all a business.
Bullshit. If Jake sin is really all about business he should have allocated 3 slots to japan just because they're carrying the views in apac.
Fun fact ,KR region are poor as fuck too,if they aren't , then jp wouldn't be full of kr imports. Jake Sin probably knew this is a problem and don't care or he's just clueless.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#134]Bullshit. If Jake sin is really all about business he should have allocated 3 slots to japan just because they're carrying the views in apac.
Fun fact ,KR region are poor as fuck too,if they aren't , then jp wouldn't be full of kr imports. Jake Sin probably knew this is a problem and don't care or he's just clueless.
Korea still has plenty of orgs that didnt invest in val yet iykyk. Why japan got the most viewership and got no extra slots? Because you are guys are fucking ass. Imagine just imagine having more jp slots than korea 💀💀💀. Pacific would end. Business + potential korea owns in that.
gordonramsay [#135]Korea still has plenty of orgs that didnt invest in val yet iykyk. Why japan got the most viewership and got no extra slots? Because you are guys are fucking ass. Imagine just imagine having more jp slots than korea 💀💀💀. Pacific would end. Business + potential korea owns in that.
Mind telling me which org hasn't yet invested in kr ? Danawa? Or fucking sandbox gaming? Regardless, no one is watching t2 kr, faker aint playing valorant. Stop talking about kr's potential. The only potential they have is they are potentially ruining jp scene by not allowing talents to develop there.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#136]Mind telling me which org hasn't yet invested in kr ? Danawa? Or fucking sandbox gaming? Regardless, no one is watching t2 kr, faker aint playing valorant. Stop talking about kr's potential. The only potential they have is they are potentially ruining jp scene by not allowing talents to develop there.
Are you retarded? Kt? Hanwha life? You guys are ass never compare your potential to koreas in esports. Bum ass japanese probably one of the freest regions talkimg about slots. Yall are lucky riot is being nice to you
gordonramsay [#137]Are you retarded? Kt? Hanwha life? You guys are ass never compare your potential to koreas in esports. Bum ass japanese probably one of the freest regions talkimg about slots. Yall are lucky riot is being nice to you
This isn't league idiot. If you guys have oh-my-god-so-much potential then maybe just let kr players develop in Korea instead of japan
IonlywatchvcjXD [#138]This isn't league idiot. If you guys have oh-my-god-so-much potential then maybe just let kr players develop in Korea instead of japan
We just won a trophy wtf are u talking about no potential. Now i know u just mad
gordonramsay [#139]We just won a trophy wtf are u talking about no potential. Now i know u just mad
read what I said again. I never said you guys didn't have potential idiot.
gordonramsay [#139]We just won a trophy wtf are u talking about no potential. Now i know u just mad
https://www.gametrics.com/gameinfo/gameinfo01.aspx?gamename=%eb%b0%9c%eb%a1%9c%eb%9e%80%ed%8a%b8
wait till you find out that valorant is slowly dying in KR
reached all time peak 10.29% 4 months ago and it went to 5.61% now
IonlywatchvcjXD [#140]read what I said again. I never said you guys didn't have potential idiot.
and im tryna tell you t2 korea just needs a few more big orgs to invest and the players should come back eventually.
FDWC- [#141]https://www.gametrics.com/gameinfo/gameinfo01.aspx?gamename=%eb%b0%9c%eb%a1%9c%eb%9e%80%ed%8a%b8
wait till you find out that valorant is slowly dying in KR
reached all time peak 10.29% 4 months ago and it went to 5.61% now
yea it peaked cuz it was the beginning of the season with more hype. Wait till champs that shit is about to go crazy
gordonramsay [#142]and im tryna tell you t2 korea just needs a few more big orgs to invest and the players should come back eventually.
tell that idiot jake sin to do that instead of letting more kr players to jp. Even then, there's no guarantee the pay would increase by much and we're back to square one
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