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| Last post: | June 23, 2025 at 1:43 AM |
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I don't really know the details of pre-franchising APAC, to be honest.
But I'm just glad that every event has had an Eastern v. Western team in the grand finals, it makes the stakes, competitiveness, and viewership a lot higher. The fact that APAC won the past four events doesn't really matter when each GF was so close, and the fact that the GF's have been so close is a symptom of all four regions becoming extremely competitive in general.
and the west won the previous 10 events in a row...
happy for APAC it makes the game a lot more exciting when all regions are competitive
expected of emea
No point in discussing this with someone intentionally misunderstanding the post and clearly taking things to be biased toward their own region.
You came in here dissing "low IQ Americans" unprovoked, and you've clearly continued that as you claim I try to "kick down". The only one doing that is you to make yourself feel better, and projecting that onto others, and you know it. I'm happy that APAC and China continue to dominate Valorant, they're easily the most entertaining teams to watch.
EMEA won in Masters 2 2023
AMER won in Masters 1 2024
That's a two event gap (unless your statement is because EMEA still has a chance at Toronto, so you're not adding that event for EMEA but you are for AMER, which is a little misleading).
The grand finals point is fair, but if you want to do that, why not take grand final appearances in the last six events (two years): EMEA 2-3 (if FNC win) and AMER 3.
At least this is an honest take. Discussions like these make VLR a lot more fun than the knuckleheads who bash each other about regions. I posted my take to provoke discussion / reflection, but this forum is so biased and people so unwilling to discuss or even banter that all they see is "Americas did well bwahaha onga bunga fake news".
I agree, don't take region rivalries too far. It's ultimately meant to enhance the viewing experience, not detract from it.
In terms of TL performance—they definitely had an unfortunate hand dealt to them, but I think it's unfair to suggest that they're better than other teams when they ultimately didn't deliver. It's like rewarding an unfortunate team for doing poorly, and punishing a fortunate one for doing relatively well. It's the same reason I won't say FPX "deserved" a win at Copenhagen despite visa issues, for example.
Regarding your TH logic—you could use this, but then you can't discount, for example, SEN's win against Wolves. You can't say SEN beat a weak Wolves (which seems to be the narrative) or are "China farmers" and that TH's loses aren't that bad, because they lost to top 3 toronto teams.
Again, just food for thought.
Does this change whether one region was better than the other?
It's not Americas fault that EMEA messed up their calendar and had tech issues, though I do sympathize with the region. At the end of the day, I want to watch good, fair Valorant and it was messed up that EMEA had less time to prepare.
Of course, a European lashes out for no reason. The insecurity truly is palpable, especially when they try to cosplay as someone who understands math.
There's so many contradictions here, so I'll try to highlight them for your smooth European brain:
The actual test, which is the games
If you want to use the games as logic, then this statement is clearly false:
Heretics might be the 4th best team at Toronto
Possibly the worst performance I've ever seen at an international, in terms of how well they played. At least MIBR lost to GenG, who was playing very well during Swiss.
You could have the worst team be the first seed and get 5 points for free.
They'd get 4 points, bucko. 1 point is awarded for attending. Maybe learn math, or is 5 - 1 = 4 too difficult?
By the way, all of this assumes that there exists a total order between all teams, which does not reflect the truth of sports.
I'm well aware of the fact that playoffs don't guarantee a linear order. There isn't a true linear order. Perhaps you should look into cyclic order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_order) and intransitivity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intransitivity). Assigning points based on playoff performance was never to say X was better than Y, but that X placed better than Y, which is the only non-subjective way of looking at performance.
The actual test, which is the games, clearly show that EMEA has had NA in their pocket for the last year since Shanghai.
At least it's better than this. NA has clearly played better than EMEA for over two years, including last year. The RNG you're claiming led to higher point totals for Americas would surely have become negligible over such a long timeframe, as EMEA and Americas would've both gotten lucky and unlucky at respective tournaments. That's probably a bit confusing for you, so you might need to look into the Law of Large Numbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers). Yet Americas has a significantly better mean placement (higher mean score) than EMEA over the course of these tournaments.
tl;dr learn math bro
yes, using the most notoriously inconsistent team as a benchmark seems to be a good idea.
Even so, I'll humor it. Here's my perspective:
Liquid were down 1-11, with most of those rounds them being flawlessed and getting absolutely cooked. PRX were playing against their own demons, not a competent team. They also got 13-5ed on Sunset. The bottom line: Liquid were down significant rounds at match point on every map (12-8, 12-5, 12-3); just because they came back does not mean they ever had control of the series.
Meanwhile, SEN might have gotten 13-3ed on split, but many of those rounds came down to clutches, milliseconds of time, or very close fights. And Sunset was especially close: an 11-13 loss with many clutches by PRX, including the forsaken helicopter defuse. Sentinels were absolutely in control of Sunset, got a bit unlucky, and could've pushed it to a map 3 and won.
That's using "gameplay" for you. It's subjective by nature, and that's fine, but it wasn't the purpose of this entire thread.
your region's been on life support for two years buddy
no viewership, no wins, no stories
bro is following me around everywhere lol
really that mad?
you realize he's referring to eu = 0, na = 10, right?
eu + na = 0 + 10
not such a great post now, is it?
you can't look at the gameplay and say FNC was miles ahead of SEN and G2
but you can look at the gameplay and say SEN and G2 were miles ahead of TH & TL.
the thing is, gameplay is subjective, especially when it comes to a whole region—and people absolutely forget the worst performers. Sure, FNC played well—but did the rest of Europe? That's what stats attempt to resolve—a more objective take.
i agree w this
people seem to equate top team with overall region
apac is probably a two team region (rrq looked pretty bad tbf) but their two teams are stronger than americas two teams.
region ≠ team
"dominant fashion"
when the stats don't work out in my favor = mental gymnastics
Yes, I've been baiting a good amount, but the VLR forums have reached new levels of recency bias and anti-American sentiment.
So let's take an objective look at region ranking:
Suppose we assign 1 point to 11th-12th, 3 points to 9th-10th, 5 points to 7th-8th, 7 points to 5th-6th, 8 points to 4th, 9 points to 3rd, 10 points to 2nd, and 11 points to 1st.
Probably the fairest way of finding the "average" strength of a region---no manipulated biased curves, "eye test" arguments, or region-based bias.
Hence, this event is APAC>>CN>AMER>EMEA by purely point totals.
You could make the argument AMER>CN since AMER is 4-0 against CN teams this event, and their point total is pretty close. But you could also say CN>AMER if you want to truly base this purely off point totals.
Regardless, the points make it clear that APAC is #1 and EMEA is #4. People don't seem to give the fact that two EMEA teams bombed out immediately enough weight.
Americas is 4-0 against Chinese teams this event
I have no idea which time frame you are talking about
right just like how Vitality did so at Bangkok.
or how FNC beat SEN at Seoul.
or how KC made it to playoffs and knocked out SEN at Madrid.
cherry picking at its finest.
recency bias go brrr
in all honesty an objective ranking is APAC>>>AMER>CHINA>>>>>EMEA
unfortunately emea frogs can't handle a reality check
your region couldn't even beat CN teams lmao
FNC didn't have competition they had smoke spams
finally someone with some sense on this forum
its been overrun with drunk delusional emea glazers
stats don't lie
maybe win a trophy lol
first time making the top 3 this year and yall have the biggest egos in the world
exactly im not from emea, someone's a little slow in the head
not surprising tbh
boo hoo someone's a little upset their team is going to choke again
1 apac
2 americas
3 china
4 tier 2 amercas apac china
7 tier 3 americas apac china
10 tier 3 india
11 my ranked games
12 fnc
13 other tier 1 emea
14 heretics
lemme bait in peace its too fun getting emea fans mad they have the biggest egos and act like that they're the best despite statistically being the worst region in valorant
fnc is the definition of lucky
how many more handouts does emea need
they most definitely were not before
typing all caps, everything is +1/-1, linking irrelevant games
yeah bro we know ur pressed
i agree imagine ever thinking emea could compare against na
he hasn't won in two years
never was the goat and never will be
so pressed you're upvoting yourself and downvoting everyone else lmao
only a fnc fanboy would think this game is close
fnc getting crazy spam and collat kills, double pistol, and still losing
this guy talks so much shit yet i haven't seen him win a duel without spamming through a smoke
where they don't get 3+ kills by randomly spamming a smoke
its actually called ethnocentrism and in-group bias dummy, look it up
and you have to be deluded to think xenophobia is more present in NA than EU
ultra processed food fed NA brain
wouldn't expect a drunk eu bum to understand anything
now this is the perfect example of a region in pure denial
and lashing out w racism too
no wonder you guys haven't won in two years
no wonder emea is statistically the worst region in this game
bro dropped the flair the same day geng lost diabolical
holy cope
yall won the craziest rng clutches and still mad
emea always needs more handouts
cuz their delulu and don't realize foxy9 is geng's best player
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