every chinese team except edg and (sometimes) fpx is a very likely contender for if not guaranteed last at any international event, compared to emea, americas and pacific who have multiple potential title contenders (on paper atleast) and a ton of internationally competitive teams. plus in every other esport i've watched where regions matter, china's just part of pacific, and that's what makes sense geographically. is china just its own region because riots owned by a chinese company, or is there some other reason i'm not thinking of?
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ttk10pokas [#8]wtf bro valorant was released in China only last year and the franchise started this year, just give them time and they will dominate the scene
valorant was released in China only last year and the franchise started this year
other way around..
Lucrix [#11]valorant was released in China only last year and the franchise started this year
other way around..
didnt valorant release like in august last year? And china league stsrted this yesr
Liwus [#16]Half of the teams ( or more when FUT is there) being asian at all events now is crazy... If you are doing this let NA be its own region and South America be another. Let there be 5 VCTs
LATAM region would be amazing
we poor unfortunately
Hydramizuj [#13]Can you uh... name the esports you've watched where China is part of pacific? In League, Dota, Valorant, and even OW, China is it's own region. The biggest ones have China as its own region, generally speaking.
ill be honest my frame of reference was just cs + people i know who are mainly valorant watchers thinking china being a seperate region is weird so i assumed it wasn't the case in other esports. i kinda just think its a bit weird that with a preset amount of spots for each region a country that isn't particularly competitive gets one over, say, brazil/latam or na, or even seperating eu into 2 regions
GNub [#3]every chinese team except edg and (sometimes) fpx is a very likely contender for if not guaranteed last at any international event
they are getting better
From watching all the Chinese games, only fpx is actually improving out of all the teams rest are just similar level as before and repeating same mistakes over and over again
Developed PC market
China population around 1M4 pop
Pacific population (without India) around 0M9 pop
EMEA population (without MEA) around 0M9 pop
America population around 1M1 pop
Undeveloped PC market
MENA+Pak 0M9
India 1M5
Africa 1M3
(Not sure where to put Bengladesh, Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, if I put India alone, their wiegh is 0M2)
Plus FPX is almost as good as EDG, they beat them twice in split 1, and we have no idea what Tyloo vs MIBR would look like, every region have strong top and trash bottom
steIIaaaa [#20]ill be honest my frame of reference was just cs + people i know who are mainly valorant watchers thinking china being a seperate region is weird so i assumed it wasn't the case in other esports. i kinda just think its a bit weird that with a preset amount of spots for each region a country that isn't particularly competitive gets one over, say, brazil/latam or na, or even seperating eu into 2 regions
You have to cut them a bit of slack because franchise only started this year. Once the cracked talents start filing in then CN might turn out to be a powerhouse region.
GNub [#3]every chinese team except edg and (sometimes) fpx is a very likely contender for if not guaranteed last at any international event
they are getting better
would they not improve faster having to play against pacific teams to qualify for international events though? as is they only play against (relative to the other regions) weak national comp and then get a couple games against top competition at an international event and go home.
teilwal [#18]didnt valorant release like in august last year? And china league stsrted this yesr
ohhh my bad. you're right i just misread it. i thought you meant china released last year as in january and that franchising in general started this year. i knew china gto the game in august or something, but i still count it as this year(dont question my logic)
Anguibok [#22]Developed PC market
China population around 1M4 pop
Pacific population (without India) around 0M9 pop
EMEA population (without MEA) around 0M9 pop
America population around 1M1 popUndeveloped PC market
MENA+Pak 0M9
India 1M5
Africa 1M3
(Not sure where to put Bengladesh, Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, if I put India alone, their wiegh is 0M2)Plus FPX is almost as good as EDG, they beat them twice in split 1, and we have no idea what Tyloo vs MIBR would look like, every region have strong top and trash bottom
0m9 is 9 million?
steIIaaaa [#25]would they not improve faster having to play against pacific teams to qualify for international events though? as is they only play against (relative to the other regions) weak national comp and then get a couple games against top competition at an international event and go home.
There are too many Chinese teams tho to fit them in apac.
Anguibok [#28]900 000 000
(Should I have G instead of M, would be more clear)
g???? am i stupid? what does g mean
Lucrix [#30]g???? am i stupid? what does g mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix
1k = 1 000
1M = 1 000 000
1G = 1 000 000 000
Anguibok [#32]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix
1k = 1 000
1M = 1 000 000
1G = 1 000 000 000
is this just na education dif??
is billion not a thing around the world..??
Lucrix [#33]is this just na education dif??
is billion not a thing around the world..??
I think it's my autistic diff + bad language diff T.T
I'm better in math than in English so I try to use more k/M/G @.@
Liotakla [#29]There are too many Chinese teams tho to fit them in apac.
that's true but i'm not arguing that china as a region should just be merged with apac, because that'd be a logistical nightmare now that both regions are already established. i'm just explaining why i don't think china being its own region makes sense, even from the perspective of helping the region improve.
Anguibok [#34]I think it's my autistic diff + bad language diff T.T
I'm better in math than in English so I try to use more k/M/G @.@
what😭
im severely sleep deprived so sorry if im not understanding
Lucrix [#36]what😭
im severely sleep deprived so sorry if im not understanding
Don't worry, explaining is nice.
Using, million, billion, or "milliard" (in my country) can somewhat be hard to use when you lack of fluency in English like me. Since I'm better with math than in English and the International System of Units assigned a universal letter for all this, I try to use them more (even if on my first post I failed miserably)
1k = 1 000
1M = 1 000 000
1G = 1 000 000 000
Anguibok [#37]Don't worry, explaining is nice.
Using, million, billion, or "milliard" (in my country) can somewhat be hard to use when you lack of fluency in English like me. Since I'm better with math than in English and the International System of Units assigned a universal letter for all this, I try to use them more (even if on my first post I failed miserably)
1k = 1 000
1M = 1 000 000
1G = 1 000 000 000
ohhh got it i understand now. thanks for teaching me o7
geospliced [#23]You have to cut them a bit of slack because franchise only started this year. Once the cracked talents start filing in then CN might turn out to be a powerhouse region.
that's fair. i feel like it's a lot harder for chinese teams to improve (to the level of being internationally competitive atleast) when there are only 2 competitive teams in the region and the rest just play weak domestic comp/a couple games against good teams and then go home if they make an international event, but there isn't really a great way to deal with that unless chinese teams started bootcamping in eu/na/br/etc to scrim against top competition during the offseason which isn't really something riot could have any affect on.
steIIaaaa [#41]that's fair. i feel like it's a lot harder for chinese teams to improve (to the level of being internationally competitive atleast) when there are only 2 competitive teams in the region and the rest just play weak domestic comp/a couple games against good teams and then go home if they make an international event, but there isn't really a great way to deal with that unless chinese teams started bootcamping in eu/na/br/etc to scrim against top competition during the offseason which isn't really something riot could have any affect on.
they can already practice against top apac teams. give them some time. fpx wasnt good then they improved and just beat fut.
steIIaaaa [#41]that's fair. i feel like it's a lot harder for chinese teams to improve (to the level of being internationally competitive atleast) when there are only 2 competitive teams in the region and the rest just play weak domestic comp/a couple games against good teams and then go home if they make an international event, but there isn't really a great way to deal with that unless chinese teams started bootcamping in eu/na/br/etc to scrim against top competition during the offseason which isn't really something riot could have any affect on.
I mean, if all the other teams start to improve like FPX (who were considered good but whatever before stage 1) then there could be serious hope for the region.
Liwus [#16]Half of the teams ( or more when FUT is there) being asian at all events now is crazy... If you are doing this let NA be its own region and South America be another. Let there be 5 VCTs
True but then the number of teams at internationals makes formats a bit weird. I'd assume they'd make the first masters event 10 teams in that case, which is workable if you change the swiss format up a bit and keep top 4 make playoffs. Mid season masters get fucky though. 15 teams with 5 automatically in playoffs would be awful so they'd have to run a 20 team event, which would still be difficult to run. And then you get the issue of how many teams you have in champs, because surely they'd want more than the mid season masters event. But 25 is a terrible number and 30 is just ridiculous.
Hence why they should make VCT CIS once all the sanctions are lifted so we have 6 regions
Lucrix [#38]ohhh got it i understand now. thanks for teaching me o7
its the metric system
k is kilo
m is mega
g is giga
like in bytes kilobytes megabytes gigabytes
RzqoFoxie [#47]China just isn't good enough to have their own region.
They've got 1-2 good teams but not good enough to ever make it in the semi finals (unless they get a crazy lucky bracket).
It took NA how many years to win their first major in CS? And it has bern 5 years since any western team reach a final in league in both MSI and world's.
This is how it's done in esports, otherwise CS would have 13 EU teams, 1 Na, 1 SA and 1 Asia team. League would be 6 Kr, 6 China, 1 sea, 1 Jp and 2 western teams., but ofc when its not China nobody actually complaints about free spots.
LeCat [#49]It took NA how many years to win their first major in CS? And it has bern 5 years since any western team reach a final in league in both MSI and world's.
This is how it's done in esports, otherwise CS would have 13 EU teams, 1 Na, 1 SA and 1 Asia team. League would be 6 Kr, 6 China, 1 sea, 1 Jp and 2 western teams., but ofc when its not China nobody actually complaints about free spots.
Well said!
Anguibok [#37]Don't worry, explaining is nice.
Using, million, billion, or "milliard" (in my country) can somewhat be hard to use when you lack of fluency in English like me. Since I'm better with math than in English and the International System of Units assigned a universal letter for all this, I try to use them more (even if on my first post I failed miserably)
1k = 1 000
1M = 1 000 000
1G = 1 000 000 000
ohh so its basically just like kilo- mega- giga- when talking about population numbers too? or am i illiterate (likely)
mon471 [#46]All about viewership. They’re esports-crazy country and they are the 2nd most populous country. Good for RITO but not fair for the other three regions who are battling it out just to make it to LAN, whereas China always has three secured slots.
This business, not for kids.
You are doomed if you can't expand esport to china
PP12123213123 [#5]average na fan
this guy is just a baiter. Or he could be asking a legitimate question. I dont think they way he phrased his question was that bad actually.
upset [#45]its the metric system
k is kilo
m is mega
g is giga
like in bytes kilobytes megabytes gigabytes
thats like weight and stuff, i thought we were talking about numbers as in hundred thousand million etc
You could argue it's due to a variety of factors mentioned here, but I'd say it's due to both social and regulatory conditions. Socially, China is already a very large country/market and its gaming community at large is more insular for obvious reasons. And the regulatory regime on games are much more stringent and typically lend themselves better to Chinese-based companies (hence why Perfect World works with Valve for Steam China, Tencent operates PUBG in China, and NetEase formerly worked with Blizzard), which usually bleeds over to the organizational side for first-party esports.
UsedCondom [#50]you can use VLR over there???
Bro the firewall just focuses on banning major foreign internet tools like facebook google etc. as well as anything including porn/violence/certain terms. Vlr is accessible like many other foreign sites but it's just pretty hard to find cause most people in China use baidu search engine. Even the english wikipedia page for tiannamen protests is accesible in China 💀
People were arguing that china didn't even deserve to get a 1 spot invitation to last years LANs because EDG lost their first 3 international games, then look at what they did in Tokyo and Champs. These teams from China are obviously going to need time to improve, they aren't just gonna be insane right from the start. It's called an investment, if you've actually been watching the chinese scene you wouldnt be saying this because of how fast random teams are improving, the speed is crazy
xSaneZ [#61]People were arguing that china didn't even deserve to get a 1 spot invitation to last years LANs because EDG lost their first 3 international games, then look at what they did in Tokyo and Champs. These teams from China are obviously going to need time to improve, they aren't just gonna be insane right from the start. It's called an investment, if you've actually been watching the chinese scene you wouldnt be saying this because of how fast random teams are improving, the speed is crazy
b-b-but DRG lost to Heretics!!!!!!!!!!! Surely BLEED clears the region!!!!!!!!
rtg9000 [#54]ohh so its basically just like kilo- mega- giga- when talking about population numbers too? or am i illiterate (likely)
Exactly ! Gigapopulation could sound a little bit weird but 1G1 pop is a little bit more clear !
steIIaaaa [#20]ill be honest my frame of reference was just cs + people i know who are mainly valorant watchers thinking china being a seperate region is weird so i assumed it wasn't the case in other esports. i kinda just think its a bit weird that with a preset amount of spots for each region a country that isn't particularly competitive gets one over, say, brazil/latam or na, or even seperating eu into 2 regions
CS in China is specifically different; CS is one of the most heavily modified clients and only got MM relatively recently, has very heavy anti-addiction measures linked to your birth certificate (for instance, if you're under 18 you only get to play 2h on the weekdays or it kicks you off the game), and Valve hasn't invested as much into the CN scene until recently (might be related to anti-addiction measures relating to skins/crates), as well as Valve's very strict performance only focus on bringing teams to Majors. The result is really slow progress to get really good CN teams.
Riot's esports philosophy is different from Valve's, that's why they have regional leagues for games like LoL; they really want to see a worldwide audience at major events. Even then, CN teams already scrim APAC teams (EDG/PRX are scrim partners for instance) and also only got a MM release last year I believe, most players were playing APAC servers off of a VPN before that.
Shawn23 [#67]na fans gonna be so mad when china runs valorant in 2-3 years
as long as it's not eu im fine with that.
LeCat [#49]It took NA how many years to win their first major in CS? And it has bern 5 years since any western team reach a final in league in both MSI and world's.
This is how it's done in esports, otherwise CS would have 13 EU teams, 1 Na, 1 SA and 1 Asia team. League would be 6 Kr, 6 China, 1 sea, 1 Jp and 2 western teams., but ofc when its not China nobody actually complaints about free spots.
i mean CS is a bit different, EU still get a vast majority of spots at any given event because they're just way better than every other region. Each region gets a bare minimum amount of slots with the rest changing depending on who did well at the last major, which imo makes a lot of sense.
Anguibok [#34]I think it's my autistic diff + bad language diff T.T
I'm better in math than in English so I try to use more k/M/G @.@
i think these are used in physics more
GNub [#3]every chinese team except edg and (sometimes) fpx is a very likely contender for if not guaranteed last at any international event
they are getting better
it would be catastrophic if they didnt, they have infinite money gta cheatcodes, they have 11 franchised teams for a single country with the ubication pretty much next to another 11 teams (seoul and shanghai can scrim each other unlike emea and americas teams, this makes scrim quality way better) and they also can buy the fuck out of the best player they want at any moment (mfers have stew, autumn, swerl, rb and i wouldnt be surprised if they get yay or demon1 when he is back)
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steIIaaaa [#25]would they not improve faster having to play against pacific teams to qualify for international events though? as is they only play against (relative to the other regions) weak national comp and then get a couple games against top competition at an international event and go home.
bro look up seoul and shanghai on google maps they literally scrim each other all the time
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