Duelist
HM: kangkang, derke, cNed, zekken, Miniboo
Flex
HM: MrFalin, rb, nukkye, saadhak, trexx
Controller
HM: marved, pancada, mindfreak, s0m, atakaptan, sScary
Initiator
HM: AAAAY, crashies, zest, Ethan, nzr, stax, cauanzin
Sentinel/Viper
HM: Daveeys, johnqt, shyy, chichoo, meteor, leaf
LeCat [#2]Sayf dont even play duelist anymore...
we gotta make a petition to get him back on it asap he clears runner
kyro1 [#6]jett 1 trick
Nah he's insane on Gekko as well
His stats on Gekko clear his stats on Jett so if anything he's a Gekko onetrick🤣
Lets_talk [#11]Meanwhile TenZ: I play controller but I entry as a duilest.
Also TenZ did defeat most of them in past months.
In the past month TenZ also didn't qualify for playoffs
The_Cleg [#7]Nah he's insane on Gekko as well
His stats on Gekko clear his stats on Jett so if anything he's a Gekko onetrick🤣
hes not even good at the character he barely uses his utility i remember their was 1 map they played in madrid pretty sure it was sunset and he didnt pick up his utility once
m00s3 [#8]As an initiator cloud is not better than smth (gekko) and as a duelist smth clears sayf (not even duelist) and kezint
hes not an initiator player he can only play 1 character well and thats jett his gekko is not good
lilcheese [#10]c0m? hell nah
best at setting up his team with utility hes a great support player and the only EG player to be consistent on a different team
strify [#13]In the past month TenZ also didn't qualify for playoffs
doesn't mean all of his performances this year are invalidated, and if you make a list of only players who qualified for stage 1 playoffs then a lot of players in the list wouldn't be here
Lets_talk [#11]Meanwhile TenZ: I play controller but I entry as a duilest.
Also TenZ did defeat most of them in past months.
TenZ is not in this discussion his micro decision making is so bad and his mechanics bail him out of his bad plays
strify [#13]In the past month TenZ also didn't qualify for playoffs
https://twitter.com/willminder/status/1787546345215234166 crazy
kyro1 [#19]TenZ is not in this discussion his micro decision making is so bad and his mechanics bail him out of his bad plays
2.https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1923/champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff
3.https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid
4.https://twitter.com/willminder/status/1787546345215234166
He's in the top 10 in 4 different tournaments but some bronze users from VLR decided that his micro decision making is bad lol
VGG [#24]2.https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1923/champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff
3.https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid
4.https://twitter.com/willminder/status/1787546345215234166
He's in the top 10 in 4 different tournaments but some bronze users from VLR decided that his micro decision making is bad lol
your just a tenz fanboy hes a good player with obvious mechanical skill but he isnt the reason his team was successful at madrid and has obvious flaws in his game saying i cant criticize how he plays bc hes had good recent performances is comedy. love to hear your take on why hes the best controller player without dropping stat links.
Klaw69 [#18]doesn't mean all of his performances this year are invalidated, and if you make a list of only players who qualified for stage 1 playoffs then a lot of players in the list wouldn't be here
He has great mechanical skills, but he doesn't excel in the role he's playing
kyro1 [#26]your just a tenz fanboy hes a good player with obvious mechanical skill but he isnt the reason his team was successful at madrid and has obvious flaws in his game saying i cant criticize how he plays bc hes had good recent performances is comedy. love to hear your take on why hes the best controller player without dropping stat links.
I would love to hear these OBVIOUS flaws which no other pro seems to be highlighting when watching the games
strify [#27]He has great mechanical skills, but he doesn't excel in the role he's playing
He has good mechanical skills is proven and a known fact doesn't mean he is not good at the role he plays. Problem is among controllers he only plays Omen and among initiators he only plays Kayo and a few maps on gekko so you cannot call him a true controller or initiator. Maybe we could call him a flex but even in that he hasn't played enough agents, hence he cannot be listed in a role-based ranking. And as for Omen, if you have seen him play, his has been one of the best this year so far, except a couple of mistimed tps, he was great with the utilities coupled with his aim ofc.
Charism [#30]I would love to hear these OBVIOUS flaws which no other pro seems to be highlighting when watching the games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjATS_l9TTI&t=1136stext
a lot of these issues are still in his gameplay this year dont believe me go watch a vod for yourself and why tf would pros highlight this kind of stuff they are hoping he doesnt get better its better for them lmao also would seem unprofessional and out of jealousy bc of who their criticizing they get nothing out of it.
kyro1 [#26]your just a tenz fanboy hes a good player with obvious mechanical skill but he isnt the reason his team was successful at madrid and has obvious flaws in his game saying i cant criticize how he plays bc hes had good recent performances is comedy. love to hear your take on why hes the best controller player without dropping stat links.
lol so result and stats don't matter now ? lol
One question: what qualifications do you have to be able to rate players?
yo act like you are an expert who sees the nuances of players outside of their stats lol the Pep Guardiola of VLR
peak comedy
61Hiko [#33]having sayf here is an insult to any main duelist right now.
Might aswell put Alfajer in there too, coz he was main duelist first year in FNC and in his previous team.get Sayf outta there, put cNed in Top 5
I think Sayf is an insane player, wasted talent in a wrong team.
i agree hes being wasted on support his duelist is top 5 in the world if you watched him last year on liquid he had the best regular season in emea last year and he was insane in 2022 dont know how thats an insult to any main duelist right now
thats the most dogshit list of all time never post anything again.
sayf is a flex player.
k0ngk0ng is dogshit buddy never add him to any top list.
u clearly have Americas bias cause u havent seen texture play he should be up there and not jing. all of the HMs r ASS except miniboo.
FLEX
Victor is washed rn he's not playing to the same level he used to.
CONTROLLER
sscary not putting up numbers.
INITIATOR:
ONLY FIRST 2 R VALID. Qraxs is such a good initiator. Ethan deserves top 5 spot for being consistently good for so long and cloud isnt even relevant now
maybe the sentinel list is only the valid one here. most of the HMs r bad
Lets_talk [#11]Meanwhile TenZ: I play controller but I entry as a duilest.
Also TenZ did defeat most of them in past months.
one trick omen who got exposed in split1
kyro1 [#25]gotta prove himself on smokes or learn raze
he has literally been outfragging everyone on astra for a year wdym. bro included zekken's ASS jett gameplay over cryo
61Hiko [#33]having sayf here is an insult to any main duelist right now.
Might aswell put Alfajer in there too, coz he was main duelist first year in FNC and in his previous team.get Sayf outta there, put cNed in Top 5
I think Sayf is an insane player, wasted talent in a wrong team.
Agree with the sayf part and cned is the best player in emea rn if fut make it to Shanghai he would be a top 5 player
VGG [#34]lol so result and stats don't matter now ? lol
One question: what qualifications do you have to be able to rate players?
yo act like you are an expert who sees the nuances of players outside of their stats lol the Pep Guardiola of VLR
peak comedy
stats obviously matter but dont tell the whole story and im not anymore qualified then you i just have my own opinion on what ive seen. im far from any expert but i am capable of vod reviewing and can play the game at a decently high level. if you have a reason you think tenz is the best controller im all ears.
Cromawarrior48 [#37]one trick omen who got exposed in split1
https://twitter.com/willminder/status/1787546345215234166 nice exposed
VGG [#42]https://twitter.com/willminder/status/1787546345215234166 nice exposed
where sentinels playoff spot
Cromawarrior48 [#36]thats the most dogshit list of all time never post anything again.
sayf is a flex player.
k0ngk0ng is dogshit buddy never add him to any top list.
u clearly have Americas bias cause u havent seen texture play he should be up there and not jing. all of the HMs r ASS except miniboo.FLEX
Victor is washed rn he's not playing to the same level he used to.
CONTROLLER
sscary not putting up numbers.
INITIATOR:
ONLY FIRST 2 R VALID. Qraxs is such a good initiator. Ethan deserves top 5 spot for being consistently good for so long and cloud isnt even relevant now
maybe the sentinel list is only the valid one here. most of the HMs r bad
sayf has played primary duelist thats what im refering to.
kangkang is bait.
t3xture should definatly be a hm lowkey forgot about him.
victor dropped 40 on raze the other week and his team is garbage.
sscary is just wrong.
qraxs lowkey a kayo onetrick.
ethan looks dog poo poo this year.
cloud is permanently slept on the second he gets an offer on a good team yall gonna be glazing him.
Cromawarrior48 [#43]where sentinels playoff spot
where is vitaly /india playoff spot or trophy ? lol
kyro1 [#47]best chamber player by a mile
He doesnt even like the agent anymore and is shit on any other sentinel + is extremaly washed
Kirya [#48]He doesnt even like the agent anymore and is shit on any other sentinel + is extremaly washed
okay who gives a fuck if he likes the agent get his ass back on chamber and i dont think we have seen him play any other sentinel and idk about washed he aint in his prime but he also hasnt been on a team surrounded by tier 1 players in a year and half and he isnt the type of player to just run it down and do well.
calImegod [#49]Yay viper 💀💀💀💀
😭😭😭 entirely forgot about his viper was just talking about his chamber
kyro1 [#40]stats obviously matter but dont tell the whole story and im not anymore qualified then you i just have my own opinion on what ive seen. im far from any expert but i am capable of vod reviewing and can play the game at a decently high level. if you have a reason you think tenz is the best controller im all ears.
Tenz result and stats is all you need
No idea why you think just because a clown from VLR decide to do VOD reviewing matter more than hard result and stats lol
kyro1 [#50]okay who gives a fuck if he likes the agent get his ass back on chamber and i dont think we have seen him play any other sentinel and idk about washed he aint in his prime but he also hasnt been on a team surrounded by tier 1 players in a year and half and he isnt the type of player to just run it down and do well.
He doesnt play chamber because he will get exposed and it will ruin his legacy
He wont perform that well after the nerfs all of you are dumb asf
Kirya [#55]He doesnt play chamber because he will get exposed and it will ruin his legacy
He wont perform that well after the nerfs all of you are dumb asf
bro just hates yay
kyro1 [#57]bro just hates yay
You just dickride yay
Im being realistic
You didn't put smth on the list cause he's jett 1 trick
Then what is y0y?
kyro1 [#45]sayf has played primary duelist thats what im refering to.
kangkang is bait.
t3xture should definatly be a hm lowkey forgot about him.
victor dropped 40 on raze the other week and his team is garbage.
sscary is just wrong.
qraxs lowkey a kayo onetrick.
ethan looks dog poo poo this year.
cloud is permanently slept on the second he gets an offer on a good team yall gonna be glazing him.
ethan is consistently fragging look at their matches u have recency bias . bro was igling while playing yoru and still fragged while victor could only put numbers on raze.
conclusion still remains the same ur take is trash.
Kirya [#59]You just dickride yay
Im being realistic
You didn't put smth on the list cause he's jett 1 trick
Then what is y0y?
i dont dickride yay at all i think hes a good player thats been misused and hasnt been able to find a role he excels at since chamber nerf took him out of meta and there isnt really a similar character to chamber. i dont value his duelist very highly and something hasnt dominated a year like yay has if his jett was among the best we have ever seen id put him up there but i left him off for the same reason i left demon1 off to be a top tier duelist you need to be able to play multiple duelists well imo.
kyro1 [#63]i dont dickride yay at all i think hes a good player thats been misused and hasnt been able to find a role he excels at since chamber nerf took him out of meta and there isnt really a similar character to chamber. i dont value his duelist very highly and something hasnt dominated a year like yay has if his jett was among the best we have ever seen id put him up there but i left him off for the same reason i left demon1 off to be a top tier duelist you need to be able to play multiple duelists well imo.
So do u need to play other sentinels well??? Chamber's gameplay was nothing similar to sentinel back then
Kirya [#64]So do u need to play other sentinels well??? Chamber's gameplay was nothing similar to sentinel back then
yeah its hard to rank yay on a role basis but i had to fit him somewhere he was the best player in 2022 by a mile. and i dont necessarily think thats the case for sentinels you could 1 trick cypher and still be among the best sentinels its more necessary for duelists imo.
_Esdeath_ [#66]oxy deserves to be in duelist, riens at least HM
lemme see oxy at a lan and then i would put him there and riens is really good defiantly could be a hm
uwukitten [#68]yeah you're retarded 🔥🔥🔥the only one that is semi-decent is top 5 duelist
bait or retardation?
some people i left off of hm to bait but i do genuinely think these are top 5 at their role
uwukitten [#68]yeah you're retarded 🔥🔥🔥the only one that is semi-decent is top 5 duelist
bait or retardation?
icl jawgemo is never top 5 duelist in the world not a chance
rtg9000 [#71]icl jawgemo is never top 5 duelist in the world not a chance
yeah that's my main issue with it
Average_NA_fan [#67]In ur dreams
not in my dreams, in reality. nAts is the best player in this game by far
kyro1 [#17]best at setting up his team with utility hes a great support player and the only EG player to be consistent on a different team
c0m over caunzin? nope also there are so many things wrong with list. smells like recency bias
kyro1 [#15]hes not even good at the character he barely uses his utility i remember their was 1 map they played in madrid pretty sure it was sunset and he didnt pick up his utility once
Honestly other than not picking up his util, his way of playing gekko is truly unique and seems like its working quite well so its unreal to call him bad.
dort [#79]finally a controller list that doesnt have tenz in there. all people do is look at stats and dont care about anything else. if it wasnt for tenz's raw aim he would be the worst player on the team
i agree zellsis is better then tenz in every aspect besides mechanical skill and tenz doesnt really excel at any particular role hes just a shooter
Selfim [#78]Honestly other than not picking up his util, his way of playing gekko is truly unique and seems like its working quite well so its unreal to call him bad.
hes playing the character wrong the value gekko provides over another initiator is always having full utility the more times you use it the better using an ability once and not picking it up atp just play a different initiator. hes not a bad player by any means quite the opposite i just dont think hes top 5 at any role hes played. he is a world class jett tho
rtg9000 [#71]icl jawgemo is never top 5 duelist in the world not a chance
he can play jett and raze at a very high level something a lot of duelists lack and hes a world champion and was a big reason as to why they won that trophy in what world is he not?
pasteled [#85]decent list this is what i would change:
Shanks
Aspas
jawgemo
Jingg
keznit
truly a legendary prime shanks had and so early on in his career it will never be matched
kyro1 [#16]hes not an initiator player he can only play 1 character well and thats jett his gekko is not good
his gekko is good. just because someone doesnt use util as much it doesnt mean they arent good at playing the character. he still uses his util when needed and in great ways, but his unique playstyle with op means he doesnt use it as much as players like tenz or n4rrate, who have perfected the util usage
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