the comments on this tweet is filled with valorant bandwagoners who somehow forget that yay at the very least is a top 5 player at both jett and chamber, but they disrespect him like he was never good at anything.
https://twitter.com/CommendYT/status/1725166432319664605
and especially not to forget that they are praising demon1 for being good at just champs 23. yes thats it. he has had one good tournament and somehow has surpassed yay's prime!!!
Yistyy [#3]It's sad to see, and I am a big demon1 fan too. If you have anybody over prime yay you're just flat out wrong.
exactly
nutab1e [#4]commend watchers are all 9 years old
may or may not be. but the commenters on this tweet are definitely more "generalized valorant fans", and they for sure are 9 year olds
AKIRA1988 [#17]No disrespect but idk if Demon1 can even be called the best player in 2023 (Alfajer had both a better average and a higher peak( at a less significant tourney but still)). Whereas 2022 yay was clearly the best player in the world and everyone else was basically competing for second
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Im sorry, but demon1 took a tier 2.5 into the best of the best. Yay alr had one of the biggest brain, best smoker, and one of the best duo on his team at that time. Demon1 peak is winning champs, while yays is master. I agree we shouldnt be hating on yay but if we r talking about peak, demon1 clears
333triplethreat [#19]Im sorry, but demon1 took a tier 2.5 into the best of the best. Yay alr had one of the biggest brain, best smoker, and one of the best duo on his team at that time. Demon1 peak is winning champs, while yays is master. I agree we shouldnt be hating on yay but if we r talking about peak, demon1 clears
Wut?
There is literally a bidding war over c0m, jawgemo, boostio, and ethan in NA rn. You act as if EG is just demon1 and co.
Yistyy [#20]Wut?
There is literally a bidding war over c0m, jawgemo, boostio, and ethan in NA rn. You act as if EG is just demon1 and co.
Where were they before demon1, he somehow literally changed them all. Not to mention if eg had yay in champs, if u had a braincell yk they wouldnt have won, theres a reason y demon1 broke records
333triplethreat [#22]Where were they before demon1, he somehow literally changed them all. Not to mention if eg had yay in champs, if u had a braincell yk they wouldnt have won, theres a reason y demon1 broke records
Nah im sorry this is just a bad take. Its a team game. One player doesn't solo carry like your silver ranked games. Every EG player had insane impact and Potter was the mastermind.
Demon1 was fragging out of his mind, but he wasn't carrying a "tier 2.5 team". That's delusional asf
Yistyy [#3]It's sad to see, and I am a big demon1 fan too. If you have anybody over prime yay you're just flat out wrong.
as a Loud fan hearing "prime yay/marved" has me shaking
Yistyy [#23]Nah im sorry this is just a bad take. Its a team game. One player doesn't solo carry like your silver ranked games. Every EG player had insane impact and Potter was the mastermind.
Demon1 was fragging out of his mind, but he wasn't carrying a "tier 2.5 team". That's delusional asf
read bro, i said they were literally a tier 2.5 team before he joined and after demon1 came along they literally improved. and u cant be serious if u think if yay was on the team they would win champs. yay relied more on his team than demon1 did, which just shows how good demon1 is.
afflict3d [#15]prime yay is top 3 peak OAT even today, whether he will be good on bleed is still up for debate tho, we just have to wait
yeah and comparing that prime yay had, to anything demon1 has reached is laughable at best
Kirya [#7]If I speak....
Bro i didnt even say y0y but the guy above me who said it got 2x less downvotes
Tf?
AKIRA1988 [#17]No disrespect but idk if Demon1 can even be called the best player in 2023 (Alfajer had both a better average and a higher peak( at a less significant tourney but still)). Whereas 2022 yay was clearly the best player in the world and everyone else was basically competing for second
alfa and leo are way ahead in the race for best player of 2023. demon1 is just so talked about because of the recency bias and the inherent bandwagon nature of valorant fans
333triplethreat [#27]read bro, i said they were literally a tier 2.5 team before he joined and after demon1 came along they literally improved. and u cant be serious if u think if yay was on the team they would win champs. yay relied more on his team than demon1 did, which just shows how good demon1 is.
after demon1 came along they literally improved
Yes, he made the team much better but he isn't the sole reason that EG is world class, like you keep implying. Watch EG's old vods, they looked horrible before. Their defaults were shit, their defensive setups, pacing and trading, and overall teamplay were all so bad. Then they started gradually improving as time went on. Demon1 didn't change what I listed above much. During masters Tokyo after 2 matches I already called it that they were a top 2 team itw, before the semifinals even started. Here's proof go to #9 and read this thread:
https://www.vlr.gg/229640/ayaz-we-need-a-nats-masterclass
and u cant be serious if u think if yay was on the team they would win champs
don't know why u keep saying that shit, not once did I ever make that statement.
333triplethreat [#19]Im sorry, but demon1 took a tier 2.5 into the best of the best. Yay alr had one of the biggest brain, best smoker, and one of the best duo on his team at that time. Demon1 peak is winning champs, while yays is master. I agree we shouldnt be hating on yay but if we r talking about peak, demon1 clears
bro you seriously lack some valorant brain. so i'll put some knowledge into it.
yay's peak involves being 2nd at champs and a masters trophy.
demon1 has had 1 good tournament, yay at the very least has had 3 good ones.
no. of tournaments yay has missed = no. of tournaments demon1 has attended in his whole career. put some respect on his name.
also i am the furthest thing from a yay / optic core fan. i am very unbiased when comparing two NA players, because of my inherent hate for NA.
peak yay had me wishing that the team i root for doesnt meet optic. while the last thing i think about when against EG is worry about demon1. that guy doesnt make me scared. think fnatic can win 3-0 in a bo5 against eg with leo with covid, boaster on jett and derke with hair
patuj [#24]Both Aspas and Derke clear these two
both can play Raze as well and haven't fell off. Waiting for yay comeback and Demon1 hasn't been on top for long.
this.i agree with this so much. what derke and aspas can do is far far more than either of yay or demon1
but i just cant tolerate when someone puts demon1 ahead of a player like yay.
symbols07 [#28]prime marved aint as scary
marved had insane impact through his readings and important kills, just not as flashy as yay killing everyone that appeared in his screen
symbols07 [#33]bro you seriously lack some valorant brain. so i'll put some knowledge into it.
yay's peak involves being 2nd at champs and a masters trophy.
demon1 has had 1 good tournament, yay at the very least has had 3 good ones.
no. of tournaments yay has missed = no. of tournaments demon1 has attended in his whole career. put some respect on his name.
also i am the furthest thing from a yay / optic core fan. i am very unbiased when comparing two NA players, because of my inherent hate for NA.peak yay had me wishing that the team i root for doesnt meet optic. while the last thing i think about when against EG is worry about demon1. that guy doesnt make me scared. think fnatic can win 3-0 in a bo5 against eg with leo with covid, boaster on jett and derke with hair
Thats not peak, thats overall his best. Yays peak id a 0 percent win in champs while demon1 is 100
Ur clearly mad demon1 was being toxic if the person ur least worried about is demon1
Like actually have meaning full takes. No one is gonna believe anything u say if u said demon1 is the least scariest on eg
Kirya [#30]Bro i didnt even say y0y but the guy above me who said it got 2x less downvotes
Tf?
Because everyone knows what you wanted to say but you were too much of a pussy to say it
crazy how you talk about lowballing yay before saying shit like “demon1 had a good tourney that’s it” lmao. How do you expect the majority to take this debate seriously when being the undisputed best player of Champs = just a good performance. I’m sure you think his Masters and Americas performance is subpar or smth too xd
Yistyy [#3]It's sad to see, and I am a big demon1 fan too. If you have anybody over prime yay you're just flat out wrong.
aspas
demon1
less
afajer
leo
mwzera
me
i could go on
B1itz [#38]Because everyone knows what you wanted to say but you were too much of a pussy to say it
nah ive alreayd said word y0y like 100 tiems
Yistyy [#32]after demon1 came along they literally improved
Yes, he made the team much better but he isn't the sole reason that EG is world class, like you keep implying. Watch EG's old vods, they looked horrible before. Their defaults were shit, their defensive setups, pacing and trading, and overall teamplay were all so bad. Then they started gradually improving as time went on. Demon1 didn't change what I listed above much. During masters Tokyo after 2 matches I already called it that they were a top 2 team itw, before the semifinals even started. Here's proof go to #9 and read this thread:
https://www.vlr.gg/229640/ayaz-we-need-a-nats-masterclass
and u cant be serious if u think if yay was on the team they would win champs
don't know why u keep saying that shit, not once did I ever make that statement.
Bro he joins and they improve, idc how they improved but they did and its not like they just decided to improve as its alr been like a few months before using demon1
And ok cool u think they r good, good job!
And im saying that we all know prime yay couldnt win champs with eg cuz his peak isnt as good as demon1
And im not saying hes the only reason, thats impossible. Hes the main reason and probably most of the reason too. They r able to do much more with demon1 as he expands their playing field
AKIRA1988 [#17]No disrespect but idk if Demon1 can even be called the best player in 2023 (Alfajer had both a better average and a higher peak( at a less significant tourney but still)). Whereas 2022 yay was clearly the best player in the world and everyone else was basically competing for second
Truer words have never been spoken
patuj [#24]Both Aspas and Derke clear these two
both can play Raze as well and haven't fell off. Waiting for yay comeback and Demon1 hasn't been on top for long.
Demon1 can flex on smokes as well and is actually impactful unlike that stat padder D0rke carried by leo and alfajer.
And D1 diffed aspas multiple times through 2023, but I'd still put him only slightly above aspas.
I think yay is great. But chamber made him even More great. Demon1 need to show us More how consistent he is on big stage, but its very Normal to compare both of them because demon1 is actually that good. He is the better jett, he can play smoke, he is More reliable than yay.
And if there is ever a 1v1 between both of them, demon1 most likely take it too.
MuZe [#51]Demon1 can flex on smokes as well and is actually impactful unlike that stat padder D0rke carried by leo and alfajer.
And D1 diffed aspas multiple times through 2023, but I'd still put him only slightly above aspas.
Smoke flex mean nothing if he leaves EG. And like I said Aspas and Derke has been killing it for long time already, especially Derke who was carrying Fnatic's ass in older rosters.
symbols07 [#33]bro you seriously lack some valorant brain. so i'll put some knowledge into it.
yay's peak involves being 2nd at champs and a masters trophy.
demon1 has had 1 good tournament, yay at the very least has had 3 good ones.
no. of tournaments yay has missed = no. of tournaments demon1 has attended in his whole career. put some respect on his name.
also i am the furthest thing from a yay / optic core fan. i am very unbiased when comparing two NA players, because of my inherent hate for NA.peak yay had me wishing that the team i root for doesnt meet optic. while the last thing i think about when against EG is worry about demon1. that guy doesnt make me scared. think fnatic can win 3-0 in a bo5 against eg with leo with covid, boaster on jett and derke with hair
Its like saying this year fnc had a higher peak than eg, no they were more consistent but eg had a higher peak.
Brain_Needle482 [#45]Prime Yay clears sadly
it is not prime yay it is prime chamber........... now that chamber is shit so is y0y
the diff between demon1 and yay is that yay could not carry his T2 team at DSG. But demon1 always been good alone and didn't need the supporting cast. it showed when he joined EG that he was meant to be in the top of the food chain. Yay was good because his supporting cast + chamber made him succeed, demon1 succeeded by helping give the firepower EG lacked at the time.
Prime Yay is something that no one will be able to replicate, maybe next year it might be possible, but no one had a dominant year like prime yay did. He was the best itw and no one at the time could challenged him, sure he used a broken character like chamber but even the best players weren't even close to matching him on the same character. You can cope and say that yay is a chamber abuser, but it doesn't change that fact that no one reach the same level as he did with the same agents, but at the same time his jett was top tier. Prime yay is something you don't see every day.
333triplethreat [#58]Its like saying this year fnc had a higher peak than eg, no they were more consistent but eg had a higher peak.
yeah the team that lost 3 maps in two international events had a lower peak than eg? yeah sure bud
MuZe [#51]Demon1 can flex on smokes as well and is actually impactful unlike that stat padder D0rke carried by leo and alfajer.
And D1 diffed aspas multiple times through 2023, but I'd still put him only slightly above aspas.
demon1 can play smoke is just a way of saying he cant play raze
yungbasel [#68]yay's only trophy was at a tournament where EMEA's top2 couldn't attend.
true, but what also is true that demon1 aint that guy
symbols07 [#69]yeah the team that lost 3 maps in two international events had a lower peak than eg? yeah sure bud
idk what ur trying to say, im pretty sure u mean 3 series?? also ok cool, eg only lost 4 and they won champs. like i dont c ur point, and they are more consistent than eg but eg had a higher peak. where were u when champ ended and everyone was deciding who was the best team and they said that fnc were the most consistent, but eg were the best
fnc fits yay perfectly, always near the top but failing at the end, while eg, like demon1 eventually had a much higher peak
idk if u guys know what a peak is, but winning champs is a super high peak, especially mpving it. yay was just more consistent because he was known for the whole year and was able to place high while demon1 was brand new and his first 2 international got 2 and and 1.
demon1 has rate of 100 percent o being top 3 on lans...
yungbasel [#68]yay's only trophy was at a tournament where EMEA's top2 couldn't attend.
but still got to the final when they did attend
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