If americas were the better regions then why did l0ud and eg choke twice against them? we are just so clear its sad to see how you dogs 🐕 cope. starting to think the hate is racially motivated
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why so much hate to EMEA over champions slots?
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Manaphy [#2]Best team does not equal best region.
Well, not best team doesn’t equal to best region either. Feel like we’re confusing concepts
Mortadelo [#8]Well, not best team doesn’t equal to best region either. Feel like we’re confusing concepts
That's why you have to look at depth of region and placements of regions as a whole. Americas outperformed EMEA when it came to placements at Tokyo.
Manaphy [#9]That's why you have to look at depth of region and placements of regions as a whole. Americas outperformed EMEA when it came to placements at Tokyo.
Americas had NRG beat TL at the buzzer and that was the only placement they got better. If 1 spot and having LOUD bomb out groups compensates loosing the finals and as you say getting “outperformed” in the previous event, then sure guess Americas is better lol
You guys talk like if top5 was 4/5 teams Americas and EMEA didn’t have any team in Playoffs lol
NANNE [#7]Yeah idk why you guys hate their added slots. It's just more free win for our regions.
Yeah, APAC is notorious for dominating EMEA (except it never happened)
Mortadelo [#11]Americas had NRG beat TL at the buzzer and that was the only placement they got better. If 1 spot and having LOUD bomb out groups compensates loosing the finals and as you say getting “outperformed” in the previous event, then sure guess Americas is better lol
You guys talk like if top5 was 4/5 teams Americas and EMEA didn’t have any team in Playoffs lol
I don't think Americas is clear of EMEA like a lot of fans but given the context of having 4 teams at Tokyo the "best region" should have more teams in the top 4 then Americas.
Manaphy [#13]I don't think Americas is clear of EMEA like a lot of fans but given the context of having 4 teams at Tokyo the "best region" should have more teams in the top 4 then Americas.
Why top 4 matters? Why not top 6? EMEA and NA had equal amount of teams in top 6.
Olofboost [#10]Giants and KOI/Navi aren't "filler trash teams"
That would be a description of BLG, FPX, T1 and ZETA.
fr.
they are worse than filler trash teams
Olofboost [#14]Why top 4 matters? Why not top 6? EMEA and NA had equal amount of teams in top 6.
Because EMEA has 4 spots, so I use the max number of teams possible to have at a certain point in the process of determining regional strength. Also, EMEA historically is supposed to be the strongest region so the fact that NA let alone Americas is competing is crazy to me.
Olofboost [#12]Yeah, APAC is notorious for dominating EMEA (except it never happened)
😂😂 closest they ever got was fpx vs prx
Olofboost [#12]Yeah, APAC is notorious for dominating EMEA (except it never happened)
🤡 <--- typical eu fan
Manaphy [#16]Because EMEA has 4 spots, so I use the max number of teams possible to have at a certain point in the process of determining regional strength. Also, EMEA historically is supposed to be the strongest region so the fact that NA let alone Americas is competing is crazy to me.
BS argument. There's no correlation between EMEA amount of spots, and looking at top-4 of Tokyo because it's convenient to you.
Olofboost [#21]BS argument. There's no correlation between EMEA amount of spots, and looking at top-4 of Tokyo because it's convenient to you.
EMEA had 4 slots that's why I look a top 4. If EMEA had all for teams in top 4 we could determine they are by far the best region. If there were 3 spots for every region, I would look a top 3 instead.
Udarara [#20]DRX 4-0 FPX at champs
Any more examples? We're just gonna forget how at every other tournament EMEA performed much better?
Olofboost [#22]How many international wins APAC has?
doesnt matter, apac just better
PRX with Ilya > any team
Manaphy [#23]EMEA had 4 slots that's why I look a top 4. If EMEA had all for teams in top 4 we could determine they are by far the best region. If there were 3 spots for every region, I would look a top 3 instead.
There's no logic behind this. You're making up stuff that's convenient to you, so you can say "NA is better".
RealDeal [#27]ты должен поддерживать своих людей
я не еу, долбаеб, выучи географию своей страны придурок
Olofboost [#24]Any more examples? We're just gonna forget how at every other tournament EMEA performed much better?
PRX vs guild and FNC. Also not saying EMEA sucks just pointing out that APAC has beaten EMEA before
Manaphy [#16]Because EMEA has 4 spots, so I use the max number of teams possible to have at a certain point in the process of determining regional strength. Also, EMEA historically is supposed to be the strongest region so the fact that NA let alone Americas is competing is crazy to me.
This literally doesn't mean anything lol
Olofboost [#28]There's no logic behind this. You're making up stuff that's convenient to you, so you can say "NA is better".
Where did you see me say "NA is better". I also didn't say that was the only determining factor is deciding which region was better. You have no argument so you're falling back on me saying stuff that I didn't.
Manaphy [#16]Because EMEA has 4 spots, so I use the max number of teams possible to have at a certain point in the process of determining regional strength. Also, EMEA historically is supposed to be the strongest region so the fact that NA let alone Americas is competing is crazy to me.
Isn’t that implying that Americas 4th seed would have made top 4? You can’t just add bottom teams and expect them to make top four
Also by that logic Americas is better because of a single OT between TL and NRG that determines who has more teams in top 4
Manaphy [#34]Where did you see me say "NA is better". I also didn't say that was the only determining factor is deciding which region was better. You have no argument so you're falling back on me saying stuff that I didn't.
I was pointing out your baseless bias towards top-4 results.
The_Cleg [#33]This literally doesn't mean anything lol
It does. EMEA has 4 spots, so they have a higher likelihood of having higher placing teams especially when they're considered the best region. I do this with every region in any game. EX: Rocket league majors have 5 teams from NA and EU so I use 5-6th as one factor in determining which region is better. It is not the only factor, but I use it in helping me decide which region is better.
Manaphy [#40]It does. EMEA has 4 spots, so they have a higher likelihood of having higher placing teams especially when they're considered the best region. I do this with every region in any game. EX: Rocket league majors have 5 teams from NA and EU so I use 5-6th as one factor in determining which region is better. It is not the only factor, but I use it in helping me decide which region is better.
Where's the proof that Cloud9 is better than Navi or Futbolist?
EMEAstan [#39]They're just jealous because we are the better region. No other region has even won a trophy this year, and you want to take our slots? KKKKKKKKKKKKK
b0tvi flair lol
Mortadelo [#36]Isn’t that implying that Americas 4th seed would have made top 4? You can’t just add bottom teams and expect them to make top four
Also by that logic Americas is better because of a single OT between TL and NRG that determines who has more teams in top 4
No, because it's unrealistic to expect all four team from a region to get top four unless that region is massively better than the others. So, if Liquid FNC NRG and EG made top 4, but FNC still won my opinion would be swayed because of how close the regions are right now.
Manaphy [#40]It does. EMEA has 4 spots, so they have a higher likelihood of having higher placing teams especially when they're considered the best region. I do this with every region in any game. EX: Rocket league majors have 5 teams from NA and EU so I use 5-6th as one factor in determining which region is better. It is not the only factor, but I use it in helping me decide which region is better.
If EU had top 4 and NA had top 5 and 6, definitely NA would be better yeah
Olofboost [#41]Where's the proof that Cloud9 is better than Navi or Futbolist?
Who said they were? I didn't say any of this.
Manaphy [#40]It does. EMEA has 4 spots, so they have a higher likelihood of having higher placing teams especially when they're considered the best region. I do this with every region in any game. EX: Rocket league majors have 5 teams from NA and EU so I use 5-6th as one factor in determining which region is better. It is not the only factor, but I use it in helping me decide which region is better.
ZETA placed 3rd at Masters Iceland 2022. By your logic, it would make Japan the best region in the world at that time, as it was represented with just 1 team.
Mortadelo [#11]Americas had NRG beat TL at the buzzer and that was the only placement they got better. If 1 spot and having LOUD bomb out groups compensates loosing the finals and as you say getting “outperformed” in the previous event, then sure guess Americas is better lol
You guys talk like if top5 was 4/5 teams Americas and EMEA didn’t have any team in Playoffs lol
I mean, we can also point out that EG beat Fut and Liquid, NRG beat NaVi and Liquid.
The only EMEA teams at playoffs were the ones that skipped groups (Thanks to Fnatic again)
EMEA besides Fnatic only won against China (EDG and ASE)
We dont have to be genius to accept that, at this moment, NA is way better than EMEA, probably next season it will be different, because at this moment the emea talents are scattered among diff teams instead of another superteam
Manaphy [#9]That's why you have to look at depth of region and placements of regions as a whole. Americas outperformed EMEA when it came to placements at Tokyo.
the other two EMEA teams were disappointing but overall the placements were similar. plus in LCQ many EMEA teams improved except for NAVI whereas many Americas teams other than KRU look like they stagnated. there is no superior region, teams win games, not regions.
Manaphy [#43]No, because it's unrealistic to expect all four team from a region to get top four unless that region is massively better than the others. So, if Liquid FNC NRG and EG made top 4, but FNC still won my opinion would be swayed because of how close the regions are right now.
Logic is a language too complex for these people to comprehend, it is okay.
Olofboost [#46]ZETA placed 3rd at Masters Iceland 2022. By your logic, it would make Japan the best region in the world at that time, as it was represented with just 1 team.
No, all that shows is that maybe Japan deserved more spots. That's why there are other factors in determining which region is better other than top finishes. NA and BR best teams still finished higher than them.
Manaphy [#13]I don't think Americas is clear of EMEA like a lot of fans but given the context of having 4 teams at Tokyo the "best region" should have more teams in the top 4 then Americas.
the best region should have more teams in the top 1
61Hiko [#53]the best region should have more teams in the top 1
That's impossible as only one team can be top 1. Which is FNC.
Sunrou [#29]я не еу, долбаеб, выучи географию своей страны придурок
Причём тут география? Большинство русских живёт в Европе + большинство наших игроков играет за европейские команды
Kirya [#55]Причём тут география? Большинство русских живёт в Европе + большинство наших игроков играет за европейские команды
Что это меняет? Я должен поддерживать челов которые находятся в тысячах киллометров от меня? Если ты так считаешь то ты сука ебланище
Manaphy [#50]No, all that shows is that maybe Japan deserved more spots. That's why there are other factors in determining which region is better other than top finishes. NA and BR best teams still finished higher than them.
How did Japan deserve more spots? All of their teams except Zeta were absolute garbage at that time. That's why your logic is flawed.
Sunrou [#56]Что это меняет? Я должен поддерживать челов которые находятся в тысячах киллометров от меня? Если ты так считаешь то ты сука ебланище
Что ты вообще несёшь чел
Сначала что-то про географию сказал, затем высрал что-то про расстояние, что это вообще меняет, может пояснишь?
Kirya [#58]Что ты вообще несёшь чел
Сначала что-то про географию сказал, затем высрал что-то про расстояние, что это вообще меняет, может пояснишь?
Ну тебе видимо не дано понять. Иди лучше болей за нави, а то вдруг они худшей тиме в eu проиграют
Olofboost [#57]How did Japan deserve more spots? All of their teams except Zeta were absolute garbage at that time. That's why your logic is flawed.
That's why I said maybe because in hindsight they didn't deserve the extra slots but it's possible that a region that produces a very good team could deserve more slots. Also why are you ignoring the fact that I said it is one of the determining factors in which regions is better and not the end all be all?
Sunrou [#25]doesnt matter, apac just better
PRX with Ilya > any team
WHAT???
Are you saying APAC is better than EMEA? Well, that's a good question actually...
And who exactly is "Ilya"... Oh, sorry, I see you meant "smth"... So, in this case, why don't you go ask Ilya himself? What does he think of your seemingly "unbiased" opinion - PRX with Ilya > any team? I am convinced that he is a far more humble and weighted individual who is also respectful and will give you the correct answer. go go ask him ;)
P.S. Regarding PRX and your claim... https://i.imgur.com/OBsUHfF.jpeg (26/08/2022, 19:14)... perhaps PRX should be concerned with winning (not a scrim match) vs. local EMEA stack teams (excellent ones, ngl) and only then, with or without Ilya the saviour, be compared in "> any team" scenario?
Or maybe you just plain DUMB and a 🤡 for stating all of that?
BTW, DUMB is not a horrible adjective to use to describe you.
Sunrou [#59]Ну тебе видимо не дано понять. Иди лучше болей за нави, а то вдруг они худшей тиме в eu проиграют
Прикольная отмазка
Просто скажи то что ты не знаешь чем ответить, даже если между вами большое расстояние, то вы всё равно оба остаётесь русскими 💀
Kirya [#62]Прикольная отмазка
Просто скажи то что ты не знаешь чем ответить, даже если между вами большое расстояние, то вы всё равно оба остаётесь русскими 💀
Отмазка? Ты серьезно думаешь что я тебе что-то буду объяснять? Интересно почему я вообще должен их подерживать. smartest b0tvi fan
Sunrou [#59]Ну тебе видимо не дано понять. Иди лучше болей за нави, а то вдруг они худшей тиме в eu проиграют
DF is wrong with you LMAO ... What a vile individual you are, gee... you literally squirt negativity all over the place ... chill df
clocksky888 [#61]WHAT???
Are you saying APAC is better than EMEA? Well, that's a good question actually...
And who exactly is "Ilya"... Oh, sorry, I see you meant "smth"... So, in this case, why don't you go ask Ilya himself? What does he think of your seemingly "unbiased" opinion - PRX with Ilya > any team? I am convinced that he is a far more humble and weighted individual who is also respectful and will give you the correct answer. go go ask him ;)
P.S. Regarding PRX and your claim... https://i.imgur.com/OBsUHfF.jpeg (26/08/2022, 19:14)... perhaps PRX should be concerned with winning (not a scrim match) vs. local EMEA stack teams (excellent ones, ngl) and only then, with or without Ilya the saviour, be compared in "> any team" scenario?
Or maybe you just plain DUMB and a 🤡 for stating all of that?
BTW, DUMB is not a horrible adjective to use to describe you.
allat
Sunrou [#63]Отмазка? Ты серьезно думаешь что я тебе что-то буду объяснять? Интересно почему я вообще должен их подерживать. smartest b0tvi fan
Опять отмазка чел ахахаха
Ты вообще в дискуссию не можешь
Болеть ты за них не обязан, но зачем что-то говорить про географию и расстояние, я не понимаю
Ты мог просто прямо сказать, то что не хочешь за них болеть, но теперь тебе нужно отмазываться и ты выглядишь как долбаёб полный
Kirya [#67]Опять отмазка чел ахахаха
Ты вообще в дискуссию не можешь
Болеть ты за них не обязан, но зачем что-то говорить про географию и расстояние, я не понимаю
Ты мог просто прямо сказать, то что не хочешь за них болеть, но теперь тебе нужно отмазываться и ты выглядишь как долбаёб полный
КАКАЯ НАХУЙ ОТМАЗКА? Я ВООБЩЕ НИХУЯ НЕ ДОЛЖЕН ТЕБЕ ИДИОТУ ДАЖЕ ОТВЕЧАТЬ. ОТЪЕБИСЬ ОТ МЕНЯ
Sunrou [#68]КАКАЯ НАХУЙ ОТМАЗКА? Я ВООБЩЕ НИХУЯ НЕ ДОЛЖЕН ТЕБЕ ИДИОТУ ДАЖЕ ОТВЕЧАТЬ. ОТЪЕБИСЬ ОТ МЕНЯ
Я ВООБЩЕ НИХУЯ НЕ ДОЛЖЕН ТЕБЕ ИДИОТУ ДАЖЕ ОТВЕЧАТЬ
Хорошая аналогия "мне нечем тебе ответить"
Ладно я перестану тебе отвечать, ты уже в капсе пишешь💀
Sunrou [#65]allat
Ohh I see "allat" is a new 🤡 then... good for you, and welcome to the club, my child.
Keep your braindead takes to yourself
And no need to hide behind pro teams and certain pro players as well as FRAMING them in your favour - NOT COOL!
61Hiko [#72]more teams than 0
Thank you for conforming that you have no argument and think that best team equals best region. Refer to # 4 please.
Sunrou [#68]КАКАЯ НАХУЙ ОТМАЗКА? Я ВООБЩЕ НИХУЯ НЕ ДОЛЖЕН ТЕБЕ ИДИОТУ ДАЖЕ ОТВЕЧАТЬ. ОТЪЕБИСЬ ОТ МЕНЯ
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Manaphy [#73]Thank you for conforming that you have no argument and think that best team equals best region. Refer to # 4 please.
top 6 same amount, u don't care, top 4 americas has more, u care somehow. Top 1 emea wins. U don't care.
Ur a clown
Kirya [#69]Я ВООБЩЕ НИХУЯ НЕ ДОЛЖЕН ТЕБЕ ИДИОТУ ДАЖЕ ОТВЕЧАТЬ
Хорошая аналогия "мне нечем тебе ответить"
Ладно я перестану тебе отвечать, ты уже в капсе пишешь💀
этот парень такой глупый
61Hiko [#76]top 6 same amount, u don't care, top 4 americas has more, u care somehow. Top 1 emea wins. U don't care.
Ur a clown
Where did I say EMEA having the best team doesn't matter? Bros just making up shit at this point. If you read any of what I said you would know that I value EMEA having the best team and why I look at top 4 instead of top 6.
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