they won like a pre season tournament that was complety worthless and americans put them as the best team in the world
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why was 100thieves so overrated?
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Sprouts [#8]just a reminder that Bren and Sideshow both picked 100T to win the entire event
thats because they are br*ts (worse that americans)
G2ShahZaM [#4]100T fans aren't the smartest
bros name is g2shazam but doesnt have a g2 banner. bros saying 100t fans arent smart when one of them predicted team liquid is garbage and predicted zekken will do bad 💀 bro posted over a thousand time in like 4 months 💀bro has a argentina flag and isnt supporting his own country 💀bro clearly has no life 💀
paulinmagic [#13]ok, americans saying that they retained their core and upgraded
but they already suck since a long time with this lineup lol
Guess you're saying that making champs from LCQ is easy then.
MuZe [#5]Because they retained 4 of their players (+ signed Cryo which is an upgrade over Will) compared to a lot of new teams, but Sean Gares leaving affected them too much
Yeah but why would that make them the best in the world?
Y’all keep acting like they were so close and cryo was the missing piece when in reality their biggest achievement was getting grouped at champions
MuZe [#5]Because they retained 4 of their players (+ signed Cryo which is an upgrade over Will) compared to a lot of new teams, but Sean Gares leaving affected them too much
yeah
condsicc [#14]Guess you're saying that making champs from LCQ is easy then.
i mean what was the stronger team that thet beat?
and if they were so good why did they have to attend LCQ in the first place?
paulinmagic [#17]i mean what was the stronger team that thet beat?
and if they were so good why did they have to attend LCQ in the first place?
fnatic at champs. beat them first time they played against them, then lost to them in the rematch.
in lcq, they had probably the roughest ride of all the teams. had to fight Sen, C9, Faze, and then The Guard who were the favourites of LCQ.
Like, I dont see how they were seen as the favourites, but being seen as the best Na team behind NRG is what I saw more of. favourites of the event, whoever calls that is delusional. Navi, loud, and fnatic were the favourites of the event, by far.
lorenzopajaroFC [#15]Yeah but why would that make them the best in the world?
Y’all keep acting like they were so close and cryo was the missing piece when in reality their biggest achievement was getting grouped at champions
they were just on an upward trajectory and kept their core (which ALL the top placing teams this tournament did). Calling them best in the world was a little stupid in hindsight but they also went off the rails and didnt keep the momentum of their LCQ run.
The thought process was basically:
Cryo on XSET had performance comparable to Yay.
The 4 person 100T core managed to win against Fnatic at Champions.
Replacing Will with Cryo would give them the firepower they needed to win it all.
Bang became the 2nd best smokes player in NA within the span of 2 months somehow.
paulinmagic [#17]i mean what was the stronger team that thet beat?
and if they were so good why did they have to attend LCQ in the first place?
I aint saying they're good, but they don't SUCK.
Nachtel [#25]The thought process was basically:
Cryo on XSET had performance comparable to Yay.
The 4 person 100T core managed to win against Fnatic at Champions.
Replacing Will with Cryo would give them the firepower they needed to win it all.
Bang became the 2nd best smokes player in NA within the span of 2 months somehow.
Out of curiosity - who's the best smoke in NA?
condsicc [#30]Out of curiosity - who's the best smoke in NA?
MarveD...
Moreover, I disagree with the idea that Bang is the second greatest smoker in North America.
clocksky888 [#31]MarveD...
Moreover, I disagree with the idea that Bang is the second greatest smoker in North America.
I think bang tends to standout more than other smokers, is his frag potential it has. Guy has a strong tendancy to drop great numbers. It's what set marved and pancada, aswell as zander aside compared to more generic smokers.
333triplethreat [#11]bros name is g2shazam but doesnt have a g2 banner. bros saying 100t fans arent smart when one of them predicted team liquid is garbage and predicted zekken will do bad 💀 bro posted over a thousand time in like 4 months 💀bro has a argentina flag and isnt supporting his own country 💀bro clearly has no life 💀
looks like that dude struck a nerve
I_SELL_ORGANS [#34]looks like that dude struck a nerve
not really, im just trying to show whos superior :p
MuZe [#5]Because they retained 4 of their players (+ signed Cryo which is an upgrade over Will) compared to a lot of new teams, but Sean Gares leaving affected them too much
maybe the core of 4 was never good, and derrek and asoona can only clutch against tier 3 NA LCQ teams?
Raevus [#33]I think bang tends to standout more than other smokers, is his frag potential it has. Guy has a strong tendancy to drop great numbers. It's what set marved and pancada, aswell as zander aside compared to more generic smokers.
Name Agent R ACS ADR K D A +/– KAST FK FD
FNC Boaster Brim/Viper 1.1 187 110 24 24 18 0 81% 5 3
100T Bang Omen/Viper 0.55 131 89 18 30 7 -12 54% 2 2
Apologies for the below... I didn't mean to write a wall... it's just am venting out on this disgusting topic <3
There is a considerable difference between designating a certain player to play a role and then believing that this same player to be the best in this role across the whole region... the latter is referred to as OVERRATING which NA region is so good at. Good luck to 100T and Bang.... and please disregard comparing Bang to a superstar player such as Boaster - just wanted to make a point.
Nevertheless, any organisation that decides to abandon such a top-tier talent/player as MarveD is dubbed CLUELESS and BRAINDEAD... I don't care what anyone believes - <<insert here the name of anyone in the industry>> - I will prove them wrong. You don't even have to look too deep into the data to find MarveD's excellence in the role, not even scratching the f-ing surface - the fact has been known since long time. LET THE KID PLAY, god damn!
And surprise surpise.... YAY too found himself on the bench (which is literally a crime) - bunch of premature - aka "Imma choke you with my urgent goal projections" - noobs of a region, nothing else - in terms of ORGANISATIONAL efficiency and estimation of their talent pool. Who on F-ing earth would put YAY and Leaf on the same team??? <--- rhetorical question ofc. If you do so, then for love of a god, assign them accordingly! But no....
If anything, the whole region should be ashamed of how their orgs treat pro players! Though, respect to sgares on doing it the right way....
PS, don't believe I'm speaking from a place of hatred or jealousy... but of pure and factual truth and fairness to hardworking players!
ExCPt [#2]bc NA is delusional
Brazil farming dubs while they can. emea won't even have to eliminate them cuz DRX will kekw
sentinelmain377 [#42]Brazil farming dubs while they can. emea won't even have to eliminate them cuz DRX will kekw
What day will NA play the playoffs? I think I forgot
flames-leleo [#43]What day will NA play the playoffs? I think I forgot
Are u blind? I support EMEA. I don't support NA kekw.
sentinelmain377 [#44]Are u blind? I support EMEA. I don't support NA kekw.
Don't u know geography?your flag is from NA
clocksky888 [#39]Name Agent R ACS ADR K D A +/– KAST FK FD FNC Boaster Brim/Viper 1.1 187 110 24 24 18 0 81% 5 3 100T Bang Omen/Viper 0.55 131 89 18 30 7 -12 54% 2 2Apologies for the below... I didn't mean to write a wall... it's just am venting out on this disgusting topic <3
There is a considerable difference between designating a certain player to play a role and then believing that this same player to be the best in this role across the whole region... the latter is referred to as OVERRATING which NA region is so good at. Good luck to 100T and Bang.... and please disregard comparing Bang to a superstar player such as Boaster - just wanted to make a point.
Nevertheless, any organisation that decides to abandon such a top-tier talent/player as MarveD is dubbed CLUELESS and BRAINDEAD... I don't care what anyone believes - <<insert here the name of anyone in the industry>> - I will prove them wrong. You don't even have to look too deep into the data to find MarveD's excellence in the role, not even scratching the f-ing surface - the fact has been known since long time. LET THE KID PLAY, god damn!
And surprise surpise.... YAY too found himself on the bench (which is literally a crime) - bunch of premature - aka "Imma choke you with my urgent goal projections" - noobs of a region, nothing else - in terms of ORGANISATIONAL efficiency and estimation of their talent pool. Who on F-ing earth would put YAY and Leaf on the same team??? <--- rhetorical question ofc. If you do so, then for love of a god, assign them accordingly! But no....
If anything, the whole region should be ashamed of how their orgs treat pro players! Though, respect to sgares on doing it the right way....
PS, don't believe I'm speaking from a place of hatred or jealousy... but of pure and factual truth and fairness to hardworking players!
I don't think it's fair to compare Bang and Boaster. Even though both play controllers, they don't necessary play the same role.
I like to differentiate between independent smokes players like Marved and Banged vs IGL smokes players like Boaster and Valyn. Between the two camps, one is more actively the designated lurker and meant to be the clutch player, while the other typically plays more solidly and is meant to place smokes within the midround once they get a read (Independent smokes players can also do this, but since the IGL usually mid-rounds, them being the smoke character streamlines the process vs wasting time and distracting an independent smokes player to request a specific smoke.
I don't know what's gotten into all the IGLs this tournament, fragging out as much as they are, but in general I think bang's impact is different than Boaster's impact.
333triplethreat [#36]not really, im just trying to show whos superior :p
"Superior". Nah you're just a weirdo
flames-leleo [#46]Don't u know geography?your flag is from NA
Problem is. I don't support NA teams since I started Valorant. 1st team I saw was fnc in reyk and gmb nats lower bracket run in emea vct stage 3. When I saw Gambit, I rooted for them in Berlin and my first ever prediction was the trophy. After that i only semi-predicted FPX win in Copenhagen..
I'm not supporting NA
clocksky888 [#39]Name Agent R ACS ADR K D A +/– KAST FK FD FNC Boaster Brim/Viper 1.1 187 110 24 24 18 0 81% 5 3 100T Bang Omen/Viper 0.55 131 89 18 30 7 -12 54% 2 2Apologies for the below... I didn't mean to write a wall... it's just am venting out on this disgusting topic <3
There is a considerable difference between designating a certain player to play a role and then believing that this same player to be the best in this role across the whole region... the latter is referred to as OVERRATING which NA region is so good at. Good luck to 100T and Bang.... and please disregard comparing Bang to a superstar player such as Boaster - just wanted to make a point.
Nevertheless, any organisation that decides to abandon such a top-tier talent/player as MarveD is dubbed CLUELESS and BRAINDEAD... I don't care what anyone believes - <<insert here the name of anyone in the industry>> - I will prove them wrong. You don't even have to look too deep into the data to find MarveD's excellence in the role, not even scratching the f-ing surface - the fact has been known since long time. LET THE KID PLAY, god damn!
And surprise surpise.... YAY too found himself on the bench (which is literally a crime) - bunch of premature - aka "Imma choke you with my urgent goal projections" - noobs of a region, nothing else - in terms of ORGANISATIONAL efficiency and estimation of their talent pool. Who on F-ing earth would put YAY and Leaf on the same team??? <--- rhetorical question ofc. If you do so, then for love of a god, assign them accordingly! But no....
If anything, the whole region should be ashamed of how their orgs treat pro players! Though, respect to sgares on doing it the right way....
PS, don't believe I'm speaking from a place of hatred or jealousy... but of pure and factual truth and fairness to hardworking players!
idm wall of texts. I tend to write a lot when talking on here aswell. Way more than needed most of the time.
I dont believe bang is the best in NA. I just stated why bang stood out compared to other smokers, who wernt exactly the best mechanical players. This is the same reason why people assumed Zander would get picked up by a franchised team. I do believe bang is up there as a mechanical controller. We're reaching the stage where just having good util isn't enough. Not always showing up on the scoreboard, is losing teams on matches. Even as IGL's. It's why fnatic have looked great the past couple games, as boaster has shown up when needed (other than furia haven). It's why Navi look insane, and why loud were always good.
Bang just has a few off games, but overall is generally a good mechanical controller. This is what led people to believe he's one of the best controllers in NA. That and marved was slowly leaning towards initiators towards the end of optic.
With disregard, do you mean disregard any comments comparing, or your comparison?
Marved not being picked up isn't surprising to me. As a player, he's by far the best controller player in NA. However him deciding not to go lft led orgs to find other options, and when he decided he wanted to play, it was too late. Even then, he will always have a sketchy past from CS, which people still bring up constantly.
Yay being benched and dropped was a mutual thing. No was c9 would dissolve a contract of yay, when they know how much money they could make out of him. I do agree that yay joining the team wasn't ideal, as it changed the whole dynamic that made c9 what it was. Ik you said rhetorical, but yay going there wasn't a great idea. They had a good dynamic of leaf duelist, xeppa init, vanity igl/smoke, and then zellsis as flex/2nd duelist. Yay going in make leaf go to sentinel, zellsis on 2nd duelist, xeppa stayed init, and vanity stayed.
Hopefully yay joins a team that knows how to work around him, without changing vital team roles.
PS. same with you. I dont type any of this out of anything vindictive, or mean. Just my general opinion on it. Also I do agree that NA treats players like shit in general, and more of merchandise than a team member (tenz c9, contract hell players get put in)
sentinelmain377 [#42]Brazil farming dubs while they can. emea won't even have to eliminate them cuz DRX will kekw
can you not drag fnc in your toxic bullshit ?
Brazil has some insane teams, don't be like those NA baiters that just say dumb delusional shit, have some tact
Moiraine [#52]can you not drag fnc in your toxic bullshit ?
Brazil has some insane teams, don't be like those NA baiters that just say dumb delusional shit, have some tact
Bro my opinion is DRX winning the match. Problem?
clocksky888 [#31]MarveD...
Moreover, I disagree with the idea that Bang is the second greatest smoker in North America.
Ah makes sense. Still out of doubt Bang is at least top 5 NA smokes.
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