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Top 10 NA players FOR ME

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#1
Chovymaker

1- yay (best Chamber,Duelist and not even close)
2- Cryocells (you will know better in the next Masters)
3- Marved (best Controller in NA, maybe best Omen)
4- Sayaplayer (more than a good duelist, trust this guy)
5- leaf (you can't forget this man, what a player!!!!)
6- Trent (np cuz M1R was the first LAN experience)
7- TenZ (you didn't expect to see this guy here, right?)
8- wippie (not even WARDELL can replace this guy!)
9- bdog (i wanted to add this guy to the list cuz bgod)
10- Zander (Zander is just Zander, what a cool name)

There may be names that I forgot because I made the list without thinking!
i heckin love TenZ

#2
Chovymaker
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what a boring list, i wouldn't read

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lorenzopajaroFC
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Lol wippie? Hoes sólido and all but bota penny and zellsis are berger than him

Zander has great mechanics and is a good IGL but his decision making is abysmal, he constantly runs in head first all alone and just throws, besides playing too aggressive for a controller. I think babybay/dicey could be on this list if they prove themselves during playoffs tho

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Mjtchell
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Plus his reasoning that wardell couldnt replace wippie even though they have different roles

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LouBag
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They both play sentinel

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lorenzopajaroFC
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You don’t know how well V1 will do now with wippie, that makes no sense

#31
Gqviria
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Dude, V1 stomped the last Open with V1 tho lol

#32
lorenzopajaroFC
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“Last open” that doesn’t mean shit for this open

Edit: almost forgot, they had a much closer game this time around against luminosity than last playoffs in which they were eliminated, so in reality following your logic I could also argue that they were worse with wippie huh

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Dude, you were saying we don't know how good V1 will do with Wippie, but we do know, we have seen it.

Also, you can't take conclusions out of 1 series, but you can take conclusions with 1 whole season.

And if you want me to follow your line of thought, V1 had almost the same outcome with NRG as last season, but that doesnt mean Wardell == Wippie

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CrimsonPride
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yea cause wardell > wippie anyday

#4
240hz_Wood
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bdog is included but mada isn't? Instantly awful list if you rate bdog over mada

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AltonBu02
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Why do you make it seem like it isn't close, bgod and mada could both make a case for top 15

#43
240hz_Wood
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bdog's Chamber is good, but is he even close to Mada? No. Plus, his Jett is mid at best, averaging a .90 k/d and 120 ADR.

Mada's Raze is by far the best in NA. On top of that, Mada top fragged/mvp'd 4 of the last 5 games (not just maps). To top that off, this is while he has many maps flexing on other picks such as Sage and Kayo.

You're simply wrong if you think bdog is even close to mada on a top 10 list in NA.

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AltonBu02
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Addressing your first point: I'd argue that Bdog's chamber is top 3 or at least top 5 in NA this year. That's more than just good, he's a top chamber.

Second of all, saying Bdog's jett is mid is a little misleading and I'll tell you why. Stats are insanely misleading, especially when you only look at the past 60 days. Bdog had an extremely bad series against TSM, and that dragged his stats down by a lot. Specifically, his KDA on jett. Previously, his jett has been amazing and using only a few games in this vct (where he only had one bad match with it) to assess his jett, makes no sense what so ever.

Third of all, your point about Mada being the best raze in NA is valid, but we are comparing the impact of mada and bdog as players not mada's raze to other raze players, so you're point here kinda falls short.

Your worst point is saying Mada map mvp'd 4/5 of the last maps. 2/4 maps mada match mvp'd, bdog actually had more kills. Making it seem like mada was a hard carry when bdog was up there with him really doesn't bode well with me.

Mada is more flexible than bdog, I agree.

All in all, I do agree that mada is the better player. However, only very slightly. In terms of impact, they are very close; mada was the great entry fragger while bdog was the guy who would clutch up or get the important kill when you needed him the most. Also, for future reference, don't use stats like match mvp or KDA as your only point; if you do, at least give more context so it doesn't seem like a player is worse or better than he/she actually is.

I'd love a reply, always down for a good debate :)

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AltonBu02
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Still think bgod isn't close to mada?

#55
Chovymaker
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bgoddd

#5
ait8k
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FNS owns every single one of them. also crashies > trent

#6
373washoooi
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Cryocells overrated, Zekken is infinitely beter.

#7
nutab1e
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Perc30FishFillet obliterates zekken

#8
Avix
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am i the only one who finds it sad that most of them are duelists?

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Cresp
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where is mocking????

#10
factsonly
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Man put cyro into lost he didnt even make to lan yet and he doesnt always perform vs t1 teams

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andrewdamf
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He literally mvps every game and he just doesnt go to lan bcuz of his team lmfao.

#11
erickwak
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  1. yay
    2.leaf
    3.xeppa
    4.zellsis
    5.victor
    6.marved
    7.zander
    8.saya
    9.Ethan
    10.cryocells
    11.sick
    12.xeta
    13.trent
    14.bdog
    15.s0m
    16.zekken
    17.penny
  2. asuna
    19.wippie
    20.dapr
    21.net
    22.skuba
    23.rossy
    24.zombs
#12
Cresp
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u have dapr over tenz? i love dapr but u didnt even have tenz in the list and u have zombs too. this is such a weird list.

#14
Strafe7
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Good list, personally think Zellsis and victor are a little too high but still top 10. Also bdog does not belong on this list

#15
erickwak
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oh man i forgot tenz existed mb. but dapr still has good decision-making. I think I took if they are a good player in general as more of a factor but then I just half-assed it like a stat andy and added some decent support players.

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spookmeister
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Bdog and wippie over someone like Asuna? They’re good but certainly not over that

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AltonBu02
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Asuna on flex has looked good but not amazing. As of now I don't think asuna is top 10. I don't think bgod should be there either. They're both arguably top 15 though.

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Avix
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Asuna hasnt had a team who could support him enough for him to properly pop off

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AltonBu02
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I agree that Asuna hasn't shown his full potential yet, but with how he is preforming right now (which is still good don't can't me wrong), I don't think it's fair to say he's currently a top 10 player.

#19
LouBag
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Not a bad list. I would arrange it differently.

Besides a few of your personal favorites towards the ends of the list, it’s a solid top 10.

I’d give it 7/10

#20
delusional_sentinels_fan1
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Cryo has become to incredibly overrated and I have no idea how

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h9zard
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I think you can see it in the way he plays, he is really good individually but I do agree that he doesn't really have enough games against t1 opposition to solidify him at the top of the list.

#22
sazanka
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Mocking

#23
AltonBu02
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I love bgod to death but dicey should be up there instead or babybay

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h9zard
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I would put Cryo 6th under Marved, Sayaplayer and leaf just cause he doesn't have enough matches against t1 teams yet and to respect all of them having played insanely well on LAN.

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h9zard
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.

#29
Dolphin
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I made the list without thinking!

i agree

#30
Depressed_TSM_Fan
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Where’s subroza?

#39
Chovymaker
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who?

#33
McLovinGG
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sick?

#35
PG_newt
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W list

#36
burritx
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Stopped reading at xset flair

#37
100TBoeJiden
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this isn’t a debate anymore is it? sitting in drive thru at chick fil a so wanted to make sure

Top 5 is most likely in this order

sinatraa
yay
vanity
cryo
marved

#38
Laconia
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Vanity is probably the best aimer NA has. He's just put on lots of extra weight so the friction of his arm fat and mousepad has been holding him back recently. Give him time to be #1

#40
Enamul_Huq1990
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Lol Sayaplayer?

#42
Chovymaker
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say a player?

#41
riven_val
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i love the addition of bdog

#44
PastorClarence
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Leaf is 2nd only to yay and thats debatable imo

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filter
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Zexrow
Zexrow
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Zexrow
Zexrow
Zexrow
Zexrow
Zexrow
Zexrow
Zexrow

#50
NG1nS
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cryo will be TENZ 2.0

#54
Chovymaker
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nope

#51
DarkLNM
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Put asuna up there 😩

#53
Ullyr
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Terrible list lmao

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