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only 1 slot for Brazil

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#1
Vortexy

They got 2 guaranteed spots at Reykjavik last year, they got 2 guaranteed spots at Masters Berlin, they got 2 guaranteed spots at Champions plus an ADDITIONAL 3rd spot by playing in Brazil + Latam LCQ. In this LCQ, 3 out of 4 semifinalists were Brazilian teams, and the final was an extremely one sided affair in favor of Brazil. Same with this last LCQ which resulted in another sweeping 3-0 for Brazil. A Br + Latam LCQ is literally another guaranteed spot for a Brazilian team.
They have literally never made it out of groups ONCE despite having 8 teams in 4 LAN events (excluding the internationally unproven Loud which was given a free pass out of groups).

edit: lmao 8 months later it got locked

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rodx3
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we literally have 1 slot the other is for latam who we beat brother

#4
KoreanOverlord
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yeah u dont deserve that slot

#29
PrTsty
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Cringe + Sacy owns you

#130
WuRey
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KoreanRacist.

#137
qwertyiop
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based koreanoverlord

#367
Howard
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stupid as fuck

#142
moonisnotcool
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i think na should have an extra slot cause all of these new teams took by storm like sentinels lost in the first round of vct that never has happened ever and the guard which got formed 5 months ago is going to master and optic is very inconsistent because they always either win against the best or lose against the worst seeded teams like rise and xerxia and then they come back but from their inconsistency i think that if na has an extra slot v1,c9,xset, or any young teams could out perform and give na their second Reykjavik win

#188
m8te
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I hope this is sarcasm

#230
nikoko07
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hahahahahahaha

#174
Hexa2022
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quem merece é esse time de chocadeira da drx né coreia filha da puta

#233
nairolf1337
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omg -116 downfrags holy

#252
rangeto
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Can you imagine saying this being in the top 4 at most? lol

#300
mszinx77
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#303
Hasbulla
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Very Rare KoreanOverlord L

#317
prophet_m1mosa
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DRX neither, Korea is one team region and DRX always end up choking, the most overrated team on the world stage

#370
TS_ChedZ
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I LOVE HEAT

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Vortexy
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you got 2 slots in champs? plus the basically guaranteed 3rd spot for sweeping Latam in an uncontested LCQ

#44
Yugure
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actually 1 spot, the other 2 goes to the LCQ finalists.

#47
Vortexy
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sry m8 but Vikings and Keyd qualified directly from Brazil. Only one team could make it from LCQ, which was no surprise swept by Brazil for essentially another free slot.

#50
Yugure
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I'm saying for this year, not last year.

#53
Vortexy
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lo and behold there's 2 Brazilian teams. The LCQ is literally a free spot to Brazil. Latam have never once got close to contesting the win. What's more, now the LCQ is used as a justification for Brazil to finally get a pass out of groups, which they've been failing at getting out of despite having 8 teams at 4 different events.

#57
Yugure
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I don't think Riot's going to transfer the slot to other region. They'll probably add like Masters Berlin, but maybe with 20-24 teams next year. With COVID and the Ukraine crisis is hard to do big LAN events, even Worlds have struggled in the last 2 years. Every region should have at least 2 spots in Masters/Champions.

#61
Vortexy
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All I'm advocating for is getting rid of this Br + Latam LCQ. Brazil is getting an unproportionate amount of opportunity compared to other regions, despite being the worst region themselves.

#63
Yugure
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Imo if they're going to do this, they need to add in all regions aswell OR the match between seed 1 from LATAM and seed 1 from BR to decide, because LATAM as a region didn't acomplished anything just like Brazil, only KRU. So a match between KRU and BR seed 1 to decide the TOP SEED in Masters would be more fair than putting seed 2 from each region and let them battle.

If not that, maybe putting
EMEA 1 (pot 1)
NA 1 (pot 1)
KR 1 (pot 1)
SEA 1 (pot 1)
JP 1 (pot 2)
BR 1 (pot 2)
LATAM 1 (pot 2)
EMEA 2 (pot 2)

already in group stage, then other lower seeds need to do an "Play-in phase" just like League u know?

#180
looklook
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this is a nice brazil user counter
so far 107 brazilian visited this post

#332
wiki
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So NIP don't exist?

#3
Marty
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They only got 1, Latam could've gotten the 2nd but they lost to br. So it wasnt 2 guaranteed technically

#10
Vortexy
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a Br + Latam LCQ is basically a guarantee for Brazil. Just look back through all the Br and Latam LCQ's. They have been swept by Brazil each and every time.

#15
Marty
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Not guaranteed either way, and during Champs lcq australs almost swept the entire br scene, they just lost on the grand final which was sad.

#25
Marty
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But my argument is that it isn't guaranteed. If you remove that slot from br and Latam you're not only punishing br you're also punishing latam(probably justified at this point tbh). You're saying it's basically guaranteed and I'm saying it's technically not. Especially when that australs core was able to beat a large majority of br teams.

#31
Vortexy
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Sry m8 I guess our opinions vary, but in my eyes, it's basically a guarantee. Brazil has always won LCQ convincingly every single time. No Latam team has come close. Yes they can occasionally win a game here or there, but they have never come close whatsoever to winning LCQ. Refer to those finals I linked above again.

#35
Marty
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All good, end of the day we have no influence lol. Cheers

#62
Vortexy
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cheers 🥂

#178
makewar
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i honestly thought they would get the spot

#193
avepalto
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as an avid LATAM viewer i think you are right :(
I would completely eliminate LATAM/BR LCQ slot and give that slot to a LCQ between JP and KR

#195
Vortexy
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no sad emoticons <3
Latam teams will steadily improve to the point they can challenge for more than 1 international spot in the near future :)

#5
KOKUSHIBO
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LATAM + Brazil 1 slot and we ok

#8
manca
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braindead take
representation from as many regions as possible is very important

#11
KOKUSHIBO
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yeah i would give that slots to india so we could see some skrossi playz

#108
Bo0mShell
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Won't happen. He already has migrane issues and now his spine is broken from all the hard carrying

#14
p1lot
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you dont need to be ok, you just need to accept and be irrelevant, wake up you're a random sadboy and RIOT dont cares about you

#6
raicadis
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Let Br/LATAM compete for 2 spots not more.

#9
Sprouts
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Maybe try doing a KR+JP slot instead of the LATAM+BR slot for one event, see how it works out (just a thought)

#13
Vortexy
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It's Brazil who are still yet to prove themselves, not Kr or Jp who not only get only 1 spot each time but have proven better than Brazil. Brazil has gotten 2 guaranteed spots for all of 2021. They had 3 representatives at champs. Any Br + Latam LCQ is literally another guaranteed spot for Brazil as evident by Brazil sweeping them each time.

Edit: My bad I didn't understand what you were trying to say. But yeah I agree with that. Kr > Br (for now) and Japan has more viewership and investment than Br.

#32
deadpark
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I don't think Riot will change slots in the middle of the circuit, let's see how it goes throughout the year. If this keeps happening, so yeah, they should definitely change the slots

#65
Vortexy
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They changed slot allocations and formats throughout all of last year

#12
TenZ_is_the_bettor
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Brazil already has only 1 slot, NiP through to Masters winning LCQ,, If LATAM is weak, it's not our fault

#16
Vortexy
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They sweep Latam each time. A Br + Latam LCQ is basically another guaranteed spot for Brazil. There shouldn't even be a Br + Latam LCQ. One from each of those regions is enough.

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Jkatona1
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Kru was 3/4 on the champions better than all the other regions (exclude EMEA), how could you say something like that. And Loud still alive, which is a team much superior to nip,

#26
Vortexy
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Kru has already bombed out of groups, not being able to win a single map. That is the most relevant statistic you should look at. Anyone can go back and refer to some event where one team had a nice run or something.

By your logic...
One year ago Korea got 3rd at Reykjavik (even better than a tied 3-4th place finish which Kru got).
Japan has actually made it out of groups and has beat Brazil several times, unlike Brazil who haven't even made it out of groups ONCE despite having 8 teams at 4 events (excluding Loud who were handed a free pass out of groups on a silver platter).

According to that, why should Latam and Brazil get additional spots and not KR and JP?

#28
Jkatona1
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The riot has already made it clear that it prioritizes the champion. KRU had a good run, so they deserved it. KR dont make out of the groups, jp too. So its logic, to make a seed, you look at the latest event. How could they imagine the choke of kru? For the next one we need to see yet. Any team can win this masters

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Vortexy
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Your comment is filled with incorrect statements. Korea got 3rd at Reykjavik, they crushed Acend to advance out of groups at Berlin only to face Gambit right away who were the best team there (DRX statistically the 2nd best team there as they were the only team to take maps of Gambit in playoffs). Just right now, they decimated NIP to make it out of groups again in a +36 round deferential. ZETA literally just beat NIP to advance out of groups right now.

Kru couldn't even win a single map and are already eliminated. So are NIP. Sure Kru had a nice run, but evidently they're done for going off their most recent performance. If you want to reference Kru getting a joint 3rd-4th place finish, then i can easily reference Nuturn getting a better placing of 3rd place at Reykjavik.

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Mkin11
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You know that third spot Korea got does not weight the same as the 4th spot Kru got at champions, becuase of that performance they took one slot from Br and made it an LCQ with latam. They had 2 slots now they have 1 and a half.

#56
Vortexy
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Why not? And why do Brazil and Latam get a slot and a half each? Kru bombed out of groups already without winning a single map. Nip already eliminated too. They should each be getting one slot maximum based off their performances.

#59
Mkin11
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Masters is qualifier for champions thus the results of champions matter more than masters results. why do Brazil and Latam get a slot and a half each? I already told you Brazil had 2 slots and becuase of champions they lost the second lost to compete with latam. Loud still has the chance to redeem BR for the second slot.

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Vortexy
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here are the facts:

Brazil can't do crap at international events
They have never made it out of groups
Latam hasn't done much either (only Kru made a decent run, but are now statistically the worst team at Reykjavik right now)
Korea has had much more proven successes
Japan can actually beat Brazil and get out of groups and has much more viewership and investment than Brazil

Yet Brazil is lavished with luxuries like getting 9 teams participating in a span of 4 LAN events and getting automatic passes out of groups. They should be getting one spot at max.

#71
Mkin11
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I dont care about Brazil, if you want another slot for Korea go ahead, you already got one before and it went in the drain. Maybe this time it will not

#74
Vortexy
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"you already got one before and it went in the drain"

what's that even supposed to mean? are you talking about Kru who couldn't win a single map? kekw

Brazil: 9 international appearances at 4 events. Apparently ALL those slots when down the drain.

#194
avepalto
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based take

#196
Vortexy
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:D

#40
mino
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It's your fault if you're losing to literally Japan and APAC every other event while having as many seeds as EMEA for no fucking reason.

#18
Zeronblack
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this LCQ change request does not only depend on the region's performance, it also takes into account the amount of players playing, the profit that the region gives, the amount of views it gives, among others. In the last survey that riot mentioned, the biggest player base was in the EU, then NA and in third, BR. for now until he launches it in china for good

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Vortexy
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Japan has more viewership than Brazil. They get like 60k, sometimes more, on twitch alone plus more on additional Japanese platforms.

But basically Brazil is gifted spots on a silver platter, failing to make it out of groups even ONCE from 8 teams in 4 events? (besides the yet unproven Loud who got a pass out of groups for Nip sweeping Lev in LCQ).

#24
Zeronblack
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as I said, there are several factors that weigh, the biggest of all even being the base player who plays, many just prefer to play than to see the competitive, this is in all games

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Vortexy
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so teams grinding hard and actually earning results can only get 1 spot? But because Brazil has an enthusiastic fan base, they can get 9 representatives at 4 events despite being incapable of getting out of groups?

#33
Zeronblack
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another point , valorant is just beginning in a way , this is its second year officially , sudden changes like this require a longer period of observation , it 's not just spending 1 year and changing , imagine if the EU is not doing well this year and they ask to take a vacancy from them and give it to NA, it's without logic, you can't evaluate the evolution or what is happening in the region to have this result

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The only thing I know is that Brazil has been getting a ridiculous amount of spots only to flop every single time. Now the LCQ, which basically gives them a free spot, is used as justification for them to bypass groups for the first time. Regions like Korea have performed much better. Regions like Japan have much more viewership. There is no justification for Brazil to get such beneficial treatment.

#64
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as I said before, there are several factors that weigh, the biggest of all even being the base player who plays, many just prefer to play than to see the competitive, this is in all games. The PLAYER BASE is the one that has the most weight, and in terms of performance, valorant is very new (2 years) and we are in the 1/3 international of 2022.

You can never say just because the game doesn't have views when riot does it there aren't people playing, a lot of people here shit to see the competitive and just focus on playing

#67
Vortexy
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Evidently you ignored what I wrote, but Japan has more engagement, viewership, and investment than the entirety of Brazil. They had more viewers than NA or EMEA.

Moreover, you seem oblivious to the fact that Brazil sucks ass and can't even get out of groups without a "get out of groups pass."

#68
Zeronblack
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and you didn't know how to read when I said that the most important thing is the amount of player base, you say that they have more audience is one thing but to say that more engagement and more investment is very unfounded, engagement doesn't come only from live and investment doesn't it's just a mixed scenario, think before you type

#70
Vortexy
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You think before you type salty bronzilian. Why tf would the player base be the most determining factor since you seem to be casting aside all other aspects like Brazil being crap. Things like viewership rate and investment are bigger factors, which Japan has more of.

#23
kyLeria_
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it should better be given to CIS & TR as last chance quals, instead of weaker region, competing against EU teams just not fair. in whole EMEA, there many more better teams than Latin America i believe ..

#30
RedditGGGB
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BR/LATAM LCQ shouldn't exist, both regions don't deserve an additional spot. Just give it to KR/JP

#36
mino
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Latam + BR 2 slots, KR + JP 2 slots. I think that's fair. The last slot should honestly go towards EMEA, seeing how CIS is literally so good it's topping every Challengers so far, they deserve 4 slots at Master at least.

#38
number1_MIBR_hater
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The real problem is the number of teams competing. We should have at least 16 and we could accommodate all the regions l.

#37
number1_MIBR_hater
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Always the "Brazil is bad" prerogative. LATAM is bad. It's not our fault that RIOT keeps putting us together and they are a 0,5 team region. Put BR against LATAM and we will always win over them l.

#39
Mkin11
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not always

#45
number1_MIBR_hater
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If you're gonna bring the CSGO 9z against 00nation thing, just forget it. 00nation is a dump, it doesn't represent us.
FURIA "swept" the LCQ against BR and LATAM on valorant, and they're like our top 4 now.

#48
Mkin11
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this is valorant bro, you are 3-0 against latam in masters/champions

#51
number1_MIBR_hater
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Brazil on playoffs, LATAM out on groups, idk what you're talking about.

#52
Mkin11
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no te da la cara para decir eso kkkkkkkk

#54
number1_MIBR_hater
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Campaña de KRU = fluke

Agarrate a que quieras, pelo és la verdad

#55
Mkin11
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el mayor logro de valorant BR a dia de hoy fue ganarle a un Fnatic con dos subs, agarrate a que quieras, pelo es la verdad

#148
junior
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lul

#42
BadlandsChugs
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Tell that to leviatan in last year's SA lcq, made it all the way to grand finals

#46
number1_MIBR_hater
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And lost 3-0 to our current top 4. Point?

#43
Vortexy
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bro lol I'm not blaming the individual fans for Riot putting you guys against Latam for easy LCQ qualification. (although some Brazilian fans do tend to be a bit demanding ngl)

#49
number1_MIBR_hater
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It should be like current CS: all america with a number of spots and they play against each other to get the slots

#58
hoang
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Riot should’ve made it a LAN event where all second/third seeds from each region has a chance to compete for Masters slots instead of just handing them out.

#69
akaFelipee
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today's match showed that BR's seed2 is similar to JP seed1

if it was Loud vs Zeta it would have been different

#73
Vortexy
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Brazil: 9 appearances at 4 international events + never once made it out of groups
Japan: 4 appearances at 4 international events + can actually progress and qualify to playoffs despite having less than half the opportunity of Brazil

Also, DRX crapped all over NIP, it wasn't even close. By your logic, Korea should have more spots or at least LCQ opportunities, yet they don't.

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akaFelipee
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"DRX crapped all over NIP"

bro wtf wdym
DRX 26-5 ZETA
just give that slot to Korea, they deserve more than JP and Brazil

#80
Vortexy
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"bRo wTf WdYm"

https://www.vlr.gg/84644/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-drx-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-winners-a

mad on copium kekw

drx smashed every team so far, but my initial claim "DRX crapped all over NIP" stands true

#85
akaFelipee
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yes bro, DRX is better than NIP -> AND <- ZETA, that's true

but Loud is miles ahead of NIP, you can't say Brazil suck bcuz our seed2 lost to JP seed1

BR/LATAM LCQ slot should go to Korea not Japan, they deserve more than everyone else

the problem is that it seems like you just want to trashtalk brazil

conclusion: DRX is ahead of both regions

edit: i upvoted u

#88
Vortexy
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W you earned my respect.

"the problem is that it seems like you just want to trashtalk brazil"

nah I'm just trying to shine light onto how unfairly slots are distributed among the regions. I'm sorry that I have to use Brazil's poor performances so far as justification, but it is a legitimate argument to make.

#91
akaFelipee
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you earned my respect too lmao

btw I think DRX will get at least 2nd place, they're too good

#92
Vortexy
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nah they'll lose to loud :(

#94
akaFelipee
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I'm Brazilian but, being honest, DRX is slightly better than Loud :(

#101
Vortexy
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👀

#172
deadpark
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Considering how DRX choked, i don't think so

#96
xdee1234
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take lcq slot and give it to na.

#102
Sprouts
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I know every one is fighting above this comment, but can we all unite to say that this is the one wrong answer

#107
LouBag
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What if NA wins this tournament?

Is it still wrong?

Another question.

If C9 was in group A do you think they wouldn’t have qualified for the playoffs?

#126
Sprouts
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If NA wins the tournament it’s fair, but I’d rather either keep this current format or even see the slot be donated to EMEA over NA, seeing as they have a lot more high level teams

#110
xdee1234
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c9/v1/sen would outperform half of the teams at this event

#112
Heyheyehyehyehyrhyr
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stop reading at SEN, SEN is a bunch of good players/streamers without a coach

#132
Sprouts
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C9 and V1 maybe, but SEN would’ve been hard grouped

#171
deadpark
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Sentinels copium is still a thing?

#135
suzuyasay
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ok but how about only 1 brazil for Slot?

#136
Vortexy
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1 br and 1 latam seem plenty to me, considering their performances

#139
suzuyasay
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the only region who has the exact number of spots they deserve is emea, apart from that riot system is biased (to $$$) and messed up

#141
Vortexy
0
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W

#143
Yugure
3
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not enough, I'm coming back later

#144
CowboySG
7
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As long as Brazil has LOUD, they probably only need 1 slot

#145
Revlo
3
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so many old threads coming back up lmao.

#146
klaus_god_top1
0
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cry is free

#147
number1_MIBR_hater
2
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One slot is enough since w have loud

#149
rdgs99
3
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that thread has aged badly

#152
Vortexy
-8
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not at all, Brazil's 2nd best team showed they were still a step behind everyone else

#153
RayzerGH
1
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They have fallen down, it happens, but they are good (and will come more stronger in the next masters I hope).

#154
Vortexy
-10
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Brazilian teams have fallen down so much tho across all international events, it's evident that its only Loud who are capable of stringing international victories on a consistent basis

#212
cta
0
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What are you talking about, your region is a one good team region

#215
Vortexy
-3
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This one team region narrative is getting old, it's not even historically supported. Kr's best international finish was by another team. Drx have been consistently challenged within Korea, dropping Bo3 to teams like f4q, Onslayers, etc.

U want to know what a one team region looks like? big hint it comes from an fps crazed region with a green and yellow flag who haven't internationally shown any success besides the one team that is looking good so far

#225
cta
2
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Stay mald lul, you are a bad loser, c'mon focus in your team

#232
Vortexy
-2
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the only thing I’m mad about is unfair slot distributions

#296
semptez
2
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wdym even mean korea is fucking tiny compared to latam/brazil (almost 1 billion people compared to 50mil) , why even argue about that, brazil already lost a slot from champs, what more can you ask??? its not gonna up korea's chances of winning if you add another team, if drx isnt winning no korean team is winning and to add on the that NIP could've made it out of groups it was anyone's game that moment

#155
Meursault
1
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lol? how? they lost for Zeta for 1 point, zeta did pressured G2 and eliminated Team Liquid. This is just bullshit. You think your 2nd best team would do better? That was not what happened at Berlin.

#156
Vortexy
-6
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Brazil has had 9 representatives in all international events
Korea has had 5

for the amount of opportunity given to Brazil, they have literally showed nothing besides Loud who won 2 games in a row

#157
Meursault
2
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Also i remember Korean teams being stomped by SEA on LCQ

#158
Vortexy
-2
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Even tho the rest of Br is pretty far behind Loud, a Br + Latam Lcq is literally just another free spot for Brazil since the rest of the Latam teams are, respectfully, so much weaker. Only good team there is Kru who couldn't even win a single map this tournament. Neither region has really had more than one competitive team at a time. Sea on the other hand, and the rest of asia for that matter, has far more teams closer in terms of competitive skill. If Brazilian and Latam seeds #2 and lower played in that Asian Lcq, all of them would have been royally clapped.

And no, Korean teams didn't get "stomped". Excluding matches where they faced each other, Korean teams in total, had 6 wins and 4 losses. Idk where this imaginary "stomp" came from.

#161
eszett
2
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lmao seed #1 being stomped by a team that nip almost beat. you're dumb

#165
Vortexy
2
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you seem to have forgotten drx stomping zeta even worse. you're dumb. teams win and lose to teams they've beat before and lost to before, but Brazil, besides Loud with 2 wins, has been consistent in group stage exits and flops

and idk what you said had to do with what I said above, go read it again, my point still stands

#176
eszett
0
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don't forget that nip almost beat zeta at the same point that drx got stomped ^^

#177
Vortexy
2
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nip almost beat zeta at the same point that drx got stomped? no, nip lost to zeta right after drx stomped them both

#179
eszett
1
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to get stomped by zeta LMAO

#181
Vortexy
0
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nip and literally every single Brazilian team (besides Loud with their free get by groups pass) gets stomped in groups LMAO

#236
Pemetro
0
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And Korea never reached the finals

#237
Vortexy
-3
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a small region with minimal investment and no support and passion for fps games

Drx won more rounds than optic. Optic won more rounds against loud. The top 6 teams are all neck and neck and can win and lose against one other. Chad drx fans are happy enough to have a competitive team despite the little support the region has.

#238
Pemetro
0
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Yes, the 6 teams are all neck and neck, but Optic just won more rounds because of fracture, so doesn't make sense use the rounds wins as a comparison

#160
rdgs99
4
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"A step behind everyone else" = 1 point away to eliminate Zeta, top 4 of the tournament?. Same thing VK and VKS did last Champions. Both had real chances to win against Acend and Gambit, finalists of the tournament. VKS also was 1 point away to win against GMB. The difference between other BR teams and Loud in fact is that they don't choke.

#164
akaFelipee
-3
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w

#167
Vortexy
0
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you can state all the "omg this one team at this one specific game was sooo close to beating this team" or "omg that team was so close to beating that other team in this specific match in this specific tournament over half a year ago".
the fact is, brazil has been extremely consistent in group stage exits. you can mention all the times they had some close matche (and there were quite a lot of not so close matches as well) but the consistency of their flops is what you seem to be oblivious too. In 9 appearances, not once have they made it out of groups (besides Loud who got the free pass out of groups but credit to them they're a strong team).

#169
Meursault
-1
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When DRX is going to play?

#170
Vortexy
-5
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when is NIP going to play? and literally every other Brazilian team who flopped internationally?

#210
Sukita
-2
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Your seed 1 already took the airplane to home. Kr flopped every expectation people had on them. Bye

#211
Vortexy
1
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lmao Koreans haven't put huge expectations on their teams unlike some other... regions. They already came top 6, ofc I would always like to see them go further, but this is more than acceptable for me.

The fact that a region with such a significantly smaller population, 160 million less people than Brazil, almost 700 million less than Europe, 75 million less than Japan, 300 million less than NA (us + can), 620 million less than Sea, etc. who doesn't even have a passion for fps games has competitive teams that can stomp on teams from these other regions is enough for us.
It's like Brazilians winning a match of football 7-1 ;) against a much less populated nation with no passion for the game like some random pacific island nation and bragging "ahaha their top men's roster flopped so hard"

#228
Meursault
1
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DRX flopped team. The population excuse HAHAHA that's why China and India dominates every sport and e-sport, right??

#235
Vortexy
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They don’t have an insane passion for Valorant unlike Na, Eu, and more than all others, Brazilians who take things way too far and act like it’s life or death.

Also China can’t even participate in international Valorant events kekw why did you even mention them?

#333
rdgs99
1
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I think you just did not read what i said... BR teams dont have good results because of a lack of quality. BR teams dont have good results because they choke. That fact is that, recently, BR teams showed a good level. There is no why remanaging the spots.

#339
Vortexy
-2
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by recently I think you meant to say Loud which is far ahead of every other Brazilian team

#363
rdgs99
0
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Again, last champions VK and VKS had 100% real chances to beat Gambit and Acend, finalists of this tournament. They in fact showed a pretty good level, but as i said they choke. Loud did not.

#365
Vortexy
0
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tf do you mean Loud did not. They literally weren't even a team then?? ofc they wouldn't have the ability to beat/come close to beating them if they weren't even formed.

#150
nicobonito
3
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I think now loud is internationally proven

#151
Apelidosnoobz
7
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ALEEE LOUD ALEEEE

#159
Yugure
4
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for Masters with 12 teams:

EMEA 2 slots
NA 2 slots
SEA 2 slots
BR 1 slot
LATAM 1 slot
BR + LATAM LCQ 1 slot
KR 1 slot
JP 1 slot
JP + KR LCQ 1 slot

Masters with 16 teams:

3 EMEA
2 NA
2 SEA
2 BR
2 LATAM
2 KR
2 JP
1 for China, India or MENA

Champions with 24 teams:

straight to phase two:

1st EMEA
2nd EMEA
1st SEA
1st BR
1st LATAM
1st KR
1st JP
1st NA

play-in:

3rd EMEA
4th EMEA
2nd SEA
3rd SEA
2nd NA
2nd BR
2nd LATAM
2nd KR
2nd JP
1st MENA
1st CN
1 LCQ South America
1 LCQ APAC South
1 LCQ APAC North
1 LCQ EMEA
1 LCQ NA

maybe give 1 slot from EMEA to India

#201
zardinez
0
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No way you give another slot to Japan before NA. NA has at least 4 top competitive teams (Optic, TGRD, C9, and V1), Japan has 2 at best (Zeta + CR). That being said, although Zeta were able to improve incredibly and I'm super excited for their run, that doesn't mean CR will also be a lot better. Also a China/India/MENA team would need to be tier 1 first, and none of them are yet.

#243
Lidire
-1
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OMEGALUL NA COPIUM

#244
zardinez
-1
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Bruh how? Is this bc a NA team lost in a final of a masters event??

#254
Lidire
-1
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Because NA valorant IS OVERRATED. The guy above the thread only wanted equal opportunity and you're out here questioning why he/she gave an extra slot to JP rather than giving it to Near Airport LMAO. You see the hype everyone except NA gets when "minor" regions play out of their minds? Yeah you will never see those in a game where NA is featured. Just make your pro's keep streaming so you can keep being the laughing stock region that you are. Every other region's playstyle >>>>> NA.

#257
zardinez
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Alright this has to be a bait. I've personally really loved seeing Zeta, PRX, and Loud do well, but that doesn't change the fact that the other teams in their regions aren't nearly as competitive. It makes sense to give the slots in a way so they'll be the best teams possible, and giving MENA and Japan an extra slot over NA won't do that. Also idk how you're saying NA valorant is overrated if an NA team is top 3 in a tournament (better than APAC, Korea, and EMEA).

#162
andreziN
-1
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4 br teams playing in champions and shut the fuck up

#163
kowacic
-1
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10 br teams, fuck the kr

#166
Vortexy
0
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lol ok

#168
AverageJoe
0
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zzz

#173
HaSanity
1
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its for viewership plus br plus loud is pretty good

#175
Hexa2022
0
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0 for korea please, choke region

#182
DiegoMocu
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A Br + Latam LCQ is literally another guaranteed spot for a Brazilian team.>
bro could u shut up pls

#183
Vortexy
-1
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DiegoMocu fears the truth 😔 :P

#184
DiegoMocu
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the only LATAM team people knows are KRU and LEV, and people watched 3 LEV games in their whole life. Minor regions are coming stronger, and LATAM is not an exception buddy

#185
Vortexy
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proceeds to win literally 0 maps, let alone a bo3 in the entire tournament

#186
DiegoMocu
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called it, only 3 games, I present you other 3 LEV games so you know a bit more about them

texthttps://www.vlr.gg/42185/australs-vs-havan-liberty-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-sf
texthttps://www.vlr.gg/42174/australs-vs-furia-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-opening-a
texthttps://www.vlr.gg/42175/sharks-esports-vs-australs-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-winners-a

when they stop choking at important matches (like LCQ finals) bc of pressure, they will be almost as good as KRÜ or Loud for everybody in the scene

#187
Vortexy
0
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tf is this? I'm talking about the region competing at Reykjavik. The Latam region (represented by Kru who is the strongest team from there) got literally 0 maps in the entire tourney.

#189
DiegoMocu
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Oh ok, thought we were talking about leviatan xd.
KRÜ wasn't in their best moment at Masters, but... you rlly gonna judge KRÜ for not getting a map against LIQUID AND OPTIC? holy fuck

#190
Vortexy
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They got absolutely crushed. The couldn't win a single map. They literally had only one competitive map the whole tourney, getting convincingly defeated in every other map. Pretty unacceptable regardless of who you're facing. TL wasn't even performing well, they got knocked out immediately by Loud and Zeta.

#191
Zephyros
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Lol dude they literally had the hardest group and we can't forget their champions run last year
Drx got small regions against them u rly can't compare

#192
Vortexy
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Brazil small region, Sea small region, Na small region?
so now what, Emea is the only big region and every other region is small?

Also Drx did face teams like Optic as well. Only difference is that Kru got absolutely annihilated against them while Drx and Optic were neck and neck (drx even won more rounds).

"Drx got small regions against them u rly can't compare"
this logic makes literally no sense

#197
DiegoMocu
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Liquid performed like a champs contender in groups, not trolling with comps and macros (like their games in haven with double initiator w/o Sova, or Jett+Neon in fracture). KRÜ played bad this Masters and that is recognizable, but you can't say they played bad because "they dropped every map", it's bad to analize them by generalized results. And it's even worse to ignore their entire last year achievements (and their matches on the LAS split this year) so you can say they are shit because of... losing two matches against tier 1 teams?

#198
Vortexy
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it's not a "generalized result'
on the contrary, it's a very specific analysis, idk what you're smoking by saying that's a vague thing to look at, the amount of maps they win and by how many rounds they win/lose maps by

last year's achievements? the word fluke exists for a reason. They achieved nothing both before and after champs. Even if it wasn't a fluke, this last LAN event is the most relevant piece of information to look at. Anyone can look at some team and reference a few good wins they had over some other teams sometime in the past.

#199
User011098
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1slot for all south america

#200
juliaoxd
2
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1 slot latam, 1 slot brazil and 1 slot latam and brazil (top 4 champions and top 3 masters)

#203
Pemetro
1
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Top 1 masters*

#246
AfricanBalls
1
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Quer matar o Coreano aí kkkk
O cara tá chorando pra 1 vaga pra JP/KR mds, mal sabe ele que a segunda vaga nós perdemos no ano passado.

#202
juliaoxd
2
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sentiu

#205
Vortexy
0
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.

#213
chloeburbank
0
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rare L take from u

#214
Vortexy
-4
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not really, from all of Latam + Brazil, there seems to be only one competitive team currently
it's just that this forum attracted a lot of Brazilians who didn't agree with me :3

#216
chloeburbank
0
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same thing japan doubters said before this

#231
Vortexy
-3
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Japan said what before what?

#226
kowacic
4
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lol, korea and japan are also "one team regions"

#234
Vortexy
-5
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This one team narrative is getting old and isn’t even historically supported. Korea’s best run has been by a team that wasn’t even drx. Drx are consistently challenged within Korea and have lost plenty of bo3’s to other Kr teams. Japan has been dominated by Crazy Racoon all of last year, this is their japan’s first representation that’s not them.

#217
Gyro
5
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i confused who is more braindead , chloebraindead or VortexLLLLL

#218
chloeburbank
-3
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still mad about me calling your horrendous region bad?

#219
Gyro
-2
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lol, im just trolling bro
i see u on literally every vlr discussion, get a life loser

#220
chloeburbank
-3
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still soo mad about me stating facts, i will say it again, south asia is the worst val region

#222
Gyro
2
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who cares abt ur opinion loser?
u are too ashamed of ur country u fake flag and all u do is call other players/teams/regions bad cause u need some attention.

im not even mad at u, i feel sorry for u, im mad at ur parents, they did a bad job horrible job raising u

KEK

#224
chloeburbank
-3
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definitely u care enough to reply to me on every thread.

#253
rangeto
0
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espero real q tu nao seja br

#208
mzto
3
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rlx fiooo, teu time ja vazou do masters

#221
greezoe
0
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BRONZIL'S MALDINNNN 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

#223
PNegri
1
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Muito choro e pouca bala, tente de novo na próxima

#227
matiasqnt
0
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shit, this community is already toxic, enjoy the matches and players instead of focusing on which region is better... I don't know, it's just advice

#229
Vortexy
-9
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not arguing which is better or not, just advocating for more fair and even slot distributions

#241
Zzeroo
0
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Kkkkkkkk "just advocating for more fair and even slot distributions "

#251
Vortexy
-1
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+

Quite true, Brazil got 2 guaranteed spots at each event all of last year despite being the least performing region. This doesn't include times where they had 3 representatives thanks to winning those free LCQ spots with no competition. Now they're getting another 2 representatives again despite having only one competitive team. Why should regions like Kr with more overall international successes, or regions like Jp with more viewership and investment and just as competitive teams have less spots?

#255
rangeto
3
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Korea disputes apac's LCQ and didn't have the capacity to win so cry less

#258
Vortexy
0
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idk if you even know the definition of dispute, doesn't work well in this context

Brazilian's winning a Latam + Br Lcq is just free wins for Brazil, nobody from Latam has even come close to winning the LCQ. Koreans competed well in apac Lcq (which has only happened once unlike the SA Lcq which happens more frequently along with coming with benefits like skipping groups), earning many more wins than losses, it's just significantly harder for such a smaller populated nation to compete against countries with more investment and viewership with 15x more population size (this doesn't even include the 1.4 billion from India since they don't have much passion either). Brazil 2nd seed teams wouldn't stand a chance in an apac lcq where the best apac teams aren't even competing.

#273
rangeto
1
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vks and keyd have already played against apac and won, if these teams were top 1 and 2 apac every team br has a chance against this region, you're just dumb

#293
Vortexy
0
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Rn, every Brazilian team besides Loud is significantly behind as evident by their performance

#239
p1lot
6
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DRX not even top5 LOUD atleast top2

#249
Vortexy
-5
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+

Drx won more rounds than Optic. Optic won more rounds than Loud. The top 6 teams representing 6 different regions are all neck and neck. Anyone has the potential to beat or lose to each other. Yet Brazil has gotten the privilege of getting 6 guaranteed spots alone just last year without accomplishing anything, not even including the Lcq's which basically gives them guaranteed spots. They had another 2 representatives again this tourney, despite regions like Korea who have had more international success, or regions like Japan with more viewership and investment and just as competitive teams only get 1 slot.

#263
olenstriker
1
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That's not how this (or any other game) works. You actually need to win the series (bo1, bo3, or bo5), not rounds.

#266
Vortexy
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I'm not saying the amount of rounds are the determining factor, but it's a good indicator to show how close all the teams are.

#279
b3rnie
4
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You said it right. Brazil HAD 2 guaranteed spots at events LAST YEAR. Because they greatly underperformed, RIOT took out one of the spots, instead replacing it with an opportunity to LATAM teams as well to fight for that second spot.
In this Masters, your argument was that LOUD was given a “free pass” to the playoffs, which I agree. However, I guess it’s pretty understandable now that LOUD would most likely be in the playoffs anyways as they are guaranteed a top 2 finish.
NiP, who won the SA LCQ by sweeping Leviatan 3-0 almost made it out of the groups, choking on the LAST MAP when they had 4 match points. As I said, they choked.
See later how further teams from Brazil and LATAM will do, and then we may discuss this later.

From what I’ve seen, Vortexy is for Korea what TrembolonaRage is for Brazil: a user who’s constantly mad and says a lot of shit, even when it’s sprinkled with some truth in between.

#290
Vortexy
0
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at international events
BR - 2 representatives, then 2, then 3, then 2 again, like I said before a Latam + Br LCQ is literally free Brazil slots

and what shit did I say lol. Brazil has been very poor internationally. Only Loud rn are competitive. All the other Brazilian teams are significantly far behind. None of them have been able to challenge Loud domestically either. I think they only need 1 slot rn. Why does Japan with less viewership, more past successes, and just as competitive teams rn, have less slots and opportunity? You can disagree that's fine, but it's not like I'm spitting random things out without any logic or evidence.

#378
b3rnie
0
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Love the fact that LATAM just got two seeds at the current Masters and Loud was eliminated in (technically) last. I do agree with you though... We'll see how it goes.

#381
Vortexy
0
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Love the fact that Brazil has gotten 2, once even 3 slots at every international event besides this one.

#240
brdreamer
10
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This thread is resurrected every time something happens with LOUD, it's funny.

#247
Vortexy
-4
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ikr it is, I wonder if mods can delete this thread, I'm getting so many notifications

#242
kbkdark
5
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA this thread is becoming better everytime

#250
Vortexy
-15
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it is, it just keeps proving how Brazil is a one team region and they don't need more than 1 until the rest of the competition improves

#260
Navegazz
10
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The fact the Zeta is only the lower finals because they just barely won against NIP should tell you something else, but once a dumbass, always a dumbass.

#264
Vortexy
-5
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oh no Zeta is only in the lower finals?? how could they shame on them

"barely won" lol Zeta has convincingly won all their wins
Loud went -4 rounds against optic, I think that's more "barely"

#269
Tales
2
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NiP was 1 round away from winning the whole series on fracture (12-8). So in your opinion Zeta was far superior in that game?

#270
Vortexy
-2
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Drx was even closer to beating teams like Optic. (not "far" superior, but they were definitely the better side. Zeta looked like they had better strats, coordination, and mental focus to bring the game back and win it, shows their ability to adapt unlike Brazilian teams who rely mostly on pure aim and mechanical skill tho Loud seems to be the exception, they have more rehearsed utility usage than other Brazilian teams.)

#274
Navegazz
5
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Stop being a dick and trying to dodge the argument, I love Zeta and I'm clearly not trying to undermine their achievements on this event they were the better team against NIP, that's why they won regardless of how many rounds each team won.

What I'm saying is - The 2nd BR seed lost in an extremely close match against the team that's now on lower bracket final, and 1st BR seed is on the upper bracker final - Why the fuck should any slots be removed from them?

#294
Vortexy
-2
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Since they're getting an unproportionate amount of opportunity compared to regions like Japan. Japan has been historically the stronger region over Brazil. Yet they've gotten significantly fewer spots. Now, both have competitive teams going far. Why should Brazil get more opportunity than Japan when Japan has just as competitive teams and more viewership and investment?

(Also Nip game vs Zeta was close, but Nip played some of the best valorant I have seen them play there, but it still wasn't enough. Both teams got crushed by Drx, who barely lost to optic, who then lost to Zeta in a rematch. Teams are close, but Brazil teams have just been far too consistent in their failure of advancing out of groups besides the new Loud which was completely unchallenged domestically.)

also liked how you edited your comment after I responded

#304
Meursault
0
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"japan has been historically the stronger region over Brazil" LOL, you're so DELUSIONAL. Before this Master Brazil won against JP 2 times (Vikings x Crazy raccoon 2x0; Vivo Keyd x ZETA 2x0 and this one was a stomp) and lost one time (Crazy raccoon x Liberty 2x0. The viewership argument is just bs Brazil also has a lot of viewereship and it's historically a strong region in tactical FPS games. "more investment" I google it and i couldn't found any true in that statement. The income that orgs like Furia, Loud and NIP have it's far higher than Zeta division and Crazy Raccoon income. Vivo Keyd, Liberty, Sharks, Pain are good organizations investing a lot, there is another big orgs in Brazil that want to invest in the Valorant scene as well. There is also another great Orgs looking to invest in Brazil Valorant this time we had NIP and MIBR (immortals) and Godsent will join in Q2. There are other Big organizations that have investments in Brazil in other FPS games, soon they will also want to have a Br roster. The point is, Brazil started to have more investment in Valorant this year, and already have more investment than Japan, and it's just the beginning. You're just spitting lies because you can't accept that you talked a lot of shit days ago.

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Brazil has gotten significantly more representatives and opportunity than japan. They should have accomplished way more then bombing out of groups every time.

"You're just spitting lies because you can't accept that you talked a lot of shit days ago."
lol? link it please
it's ok tho, totally forget about Brazilians like trembolona, singling me out is the most logical thing to do am I right?

#261
Kainen
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No disrespect, but you have no place to speak here: your region is even worse, because it only has 1 good team and the investment and viewership are low.

#268
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region is worse? Korea has had more international success than Brazil despite Brazil having so much more representation all of last year as well. Loud is currently the only team from Brazil who can internationally compete. The rest of Brazil is so far behind. Loud is unchallenged in Brazil. Drx is. They consistently drop bo3's and even get swept 2-0'd. I don't think Loud has ever lost yet.

Japan has just as competitive teams and a better track record than Brazil at international events, combined with more viewership and investment. Why should they get less spots than Brazil?

and wdym by I have no place to speak? depending on your background you're not allowed to say things someone else can?

#271
Kainen
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Overall yes, it is worse. I'm not talking results only, and you know it isn't the only thing that defines how many slots a region gets. Brazil received great investment in the form of two orgs changing regions, plus others coming (either new or from other games), like TBK, Los Grandes, and LOUD. Viewership is also improving. The same can't be said about Korea. A lot players went on to play on Japan after all.

And you know why Japan has less spots. Lower player base, no tradition in FPS games, etc. Viewership can only carry them so far. They are starting to get results now, but so is Brazil. The -slot thing is dumb.

#292
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"Viewership can only carry them so far" - plenty of Brazilians were using the viewership logic to justify why they should get more spots I recall

"They are starting to get results now, but so is Brazil. The -slot thing is dumb"

If they're both getting results (AND Japan has more viewership) why should Brazil get more opportunity then?

#245
lowkeygui
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lol

#248
iMyw_
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the fact is that there is only loud who is very good... but i would rather like how it is + add NA teams to that is could be very cool!

#256
rangeto
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There's the most garbage topic on vlr

#259
Vortexy
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popular*

;)

#262
greezoe
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#FUCKBRONZIL

#275
DERANGED_DERKE_DEVOTEE
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pls shut up bro, you would be nowhere without derke, its embarrassing what you do for emea

#276
greezoe
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fuck off mate

#265
kowa
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Vortexy, your threads are actually useless, please seek help

#267
Vortexy
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kekw, go tell that to trembolona

#280
b3rnie
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On this I agree with you. But you’re for Korea what he is for Brazil.

#272
Val293m
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Vortexy, koreanoveroad why away annoying?
Plz stfu.
and LOUD GO GRAND FINAL, but DRX TOP6
DRX so overated.
I apologize brazil fan.
도대체 너네 둘은 왜 항상 개소리를 지껄이는 거임?
브라질 1시드민 줘야한다고? 라우드가 결승을 갔는데??
DRX는 냉정하게 6등에 머물렀고 단 한번도 우승문턱을 가본적이 없는데? 까놓고 이야기하면 한국이야말로 DRX 원툴 물로켓 지역인데
라우드가 결승 간 이상 BR > KR인거 아님? 도대체 무슨 근거로 깝치는지 모르겠네

#282
Vortexy
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lmfao account literally made today with 2 posts

1: this one
2: ban vortexy

#287
Val293m
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너 새끼 너무 쪽팔려서 한 마디하려고 계정 만들었음. 그리고 한글써라 왜 나한테 영어를 쓰냐?

#288
Vortexy
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this kids probably using a translator kekw the way you wrote it sounds so unnatural

#291
Val293m
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.

#277
LiFz
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this didnt age well lmao

Brazil is a top region in any fps game, do your research before shitposting my friend

#283
Vortexy
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didn't age at all

my point still stands that Brazil only needs 1 spot as of now

#278
zekard
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brazil 1 masters final kr 0

#286
Vortexy
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Kr - almost no investment, viewership, or passion for esports (yet still has more overall success at international events)
Br - super enthusiastic fan base with huge passion for esports (even with Loud rn, still has had less international success)

#297
TopperMan
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you clearly don't know what you are talking about

if you are talking about all esports it's simply idiotic to compare, sure there has always been people passionate about esports in Brazil, but the investment and size of the fan base here only started to really grow after LG/SK won their stuff in cs and brazilian teams started having success in R6, so pretty much in the last 5 years. Before that all success was scrappy af. Are you really gonna say that Kr didn't have tradition in esports before that?

If you are talking valorant only saying that korean teams have more overall success at international events is also bullshit.

#281
siriuziun
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i think they have to add 2 spots for korea and 10 for NA, with this Brazil can beat you guys so much more often

#284
Vortexy
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nah add more for Brazil, all Brazilian teams besides Loud are free farming

#298
semptez
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like other korean teams right?

#299
Vortexy
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nah Korean teams stomped on teams like Nip

#302
juliaoxd
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vk no

#311
Vortexy
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uh, cause they haven't faced each other? I'll bet my life savings drx will beat them tho in a bo3 or 5

#285
BielzinBalaTensa
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Huge L

#289
Vortexy
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W*

#295
Zeronblack
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dude, this talk that the region only needs 1 vacancy because it only has loud is not very cohesive, sorry if it sounds like desulmide but I'm asking because I really forgot, last year korea only had 2 different teams in international, right? (nutrun and vision strike). You said that br had 6 vacancies, but excluding champions, br always sent a different team, many there were the first lan that have several psychological factors at the moment, and you say that there is no competition? The but loud ran over everything there! bro , start of competitions , loud came strong as shown in the master , nobody was prepared for this level , if you see the teams are going through reformulation , you can not say the same thing when they return from inlandia , the same thing happened in korea to beat the vision strike that dominated

#301
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internationally, Brazil has been extremely weak. They're weak right now too with the exception of Loud who are the uncontested leaders there. Teams from Korea and Japan rn have had more overall success, even including Loud's good run rn.

#305
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ok, and this falls into the justification that they are always different teams and many of them try their first lan, which weighs absurd because THERE IS dispute for vacancy here, in korea there are only 2 teams that always won the vacancy, not taking their credit but that's it , first international match always weighs and you can not play very well , but if you gain experience you are more relaxed and even with poor performance there is always visible evolution , Loud itself is the best example , you guarantee that in master 2 a live kedy don't become one too, no

#306
Zeronblack
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the guardian is another example, the guys are insane, but they lost to the pressure and enter the experience and in the near future they will prove their true skills

#309
Vortexy
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heh? I don't know what's this got to do with Brazil needing to get more than 1 spot

#307
Mypotato
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Bro, Brazil already has just one slot

#308
Vortexy
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they've always gotten 2, this is the first time they only have one, but then they get an lcq with the free pass out of groups advantage that's swept by Brazil every time. Latam teams have never come close to winning it ever.

#312
6vine
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Just take the L and stop responding to this thread

#313
Vortexy
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what L? I still stand by my notion that Brazil doesn't need more than 1 slot. The rest of the region is still far behind and regions like japan with just as competitive teams and more viewership get much less oportunity

#314
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You probably will never admit your bad take cause your ego so far is looking bigger than a 4x4 american truck. Trying to define "international success" in a game that the competitive scene is just over a year old is borderline insane. The game sample is simply unsufficient to backup any serious statement that the regions spots distribution should change once AGAIN.

First of all, is not even like Brazil has 2 guaranteed spots at Masters, they need to fight over it with another region. Both regions combined have a massive player base, a more than decent viewership (if you want you can compare it with Korea) and investments that I am sure largely surpass that out of your home league.
"LCQ Brazil+Latam is an easy win to Brazil"
There is not even much to argue about this... So far, only 2 LCQ's have been played and yes, Brazil won both of them. But you talk as if this is some kind of unchangeable reality, when it is definitely not. Brazil ALREADY have other strong teams and Latam IS getting better and better. It would be the same as saying "don't let Korea plays LCQ this year against APAC teams again, they always lost anyways" or "Japan don't deserve a direct spot on Challengers". Zeta is literally the biggest example about how dumb such argument is.

Also, what about this "Loud is the only good team in Brazil" thing?
They had more than 7 different teams going to international competitions in 15 months. Loud is an org that joined valorant 3 months ago, and SO FAR they seem unbeatable in Brazil, as did Sentinels in NA 1 year ago or Crazy Racoons in Japan last year, and guess what? They are not here anymore. The problem is, you cannot consider the last 3 months as being the historical reality of a region, neither that it is going to determine the whole future of it.
Brazil HAVE the capacity to gather up other rosters as strong as Loud. 6 months ago, Aspas and Less were not even a thing, Pancada was playing on a tier 2 team, but now they are part of the "brazilian superteam", as if this was a collective of the single best players in Brazil FPS history... 4 months ago NOBODY considered Less as the "best controler" is Brazil's region, or thought that Aspas would be even close to Heat or Mwzera, but you can see where they are now, and that is due to the depth of talent on the region you are shitting about. It is easy to say things like that after everything worked out perfectly.
And as already pointed out, the other brazilian teams are good enough to be here. NIP was really close to qualify. Yes, Zeta won and it was well deserved, but you cannot say a team like that cannot put up a fight. And so would Vivo Keyd and Furia for example.

You should be advocating for bigger tournments with more teams, not for Riot to take away well deserved spots of a specific region over such bad arguments. Or go take a walk on a park, it is sunny today here in Seoul, have some fun on Hongdae, i don't know... Just be better.

#315
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tldr: Brazil is one team region who doesn't need more than 1 spot currently, they're getting more slots and opportunity than regions with just as much success with more viewership and investment

#316
renywri
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we have more viewers than everyone else, WTF hahahahah

#318
Vortexy
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NA and EU both have more viewers. Japan had more viewers than either NA or EU. Go back to threads like a week or so ago, people compiled a lot of viewership data.

#330
renywri
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2022-stage-1-masters-reykjavik hahahahahah

#338
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  1. I'm talking about the domestic leagues. Japan has more viewers than domestic Brazilian games for example.
  2. This is an international competition. Not only did your link just prove that Japanese matches get more views on average, there are Japanese people watching Loud v Optic as well. This doesn't pinpoint exactly where the views come from. Also more neutral people are likely to watch a match with more weight on it like upper and grand finals, regardless of which teams are playing there.
#340
renywri
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130k peak of viewers in the grand final of vct br, apac have 2 slots and your viewership is very low and you want to take a slot from Brazil?

u are just a hater bro

#342
Vortexy
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Japan who gets more viewers and just as competitive teams? And they don't get any lcq's and free get by groups pass. u are just biased

#344
renywri
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so take a slot from korea ,because is the region with the lowest investment and viewership lol

#346
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Take if from Brazil. Korea can actually be competitive with more than one team. Brazil has had so much representation internationally but has bungled it gloriously each time. Loud is the only one who seems to able to not make a joke of themselves. The rest of Brazil is far behind. No need for more than one spot and Lcq's for more free spots and get by groups advantages until the rest of the teams show they can actually compete.

#319
Zeronblack
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"more investments"
sources: ass
"ain, just research how much money the team has" as if this amount was equivalent to what he gives in this unique modality and there is no other game he participates in

#320
Vortexy
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you can look simply look at the number of orgs invested, nobody is hiding those facts
amount of viewers is right there as well, go to viewer counters like esportcharts and Japan has the most viewers, Brazil falls behind Jp, Na, and Eu for viewership.

#322
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"audiencia" a lot of people shit on watching the games, between watching and playing I don't even need to talk about what matters more what I don't mean you don't invest. I don't even need to talk about engagement, just seeing interaction on twitter and discord is one of the biggest or if not the biggest in the world. to shut up even more , not only are more teams starting to invest in the scene , but also the EU and NA orgs are migrating here

#323
Zeronblack
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Nidh did almost an essay there for you to understand, but if you read it and still stuck to your opinion, it proves that you are a small-minded and impatient person with ego and arrogance in the heights

#324
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"I don't even need to talk about engagement, just seeing interaction on twitter and discord is one of the biggest or if not the biggest in the world."
Japan? Then yes you're correct, Crazy Raccoon and Zeta had the most retweet/comment/engagement responses than any other team. Sen was third or something I believe.

I like how when you have no more logic left, you'll start ranting off emotions

#325
Zeronblack
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it's misinformed so, just see in the rankings that I left the fury, loud and pain in the top 10

#334
Vortexy
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I like how you simply say "misinformed" when you don't have a logical response

#328
Nidh
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Well... Only there are 3 Zeta matches and 2 Loud matches into the top 5. Loud x Optic was the most watched game on Masters so far... Even you don't know what you are talking about.

Also, what do you mean by "the number of orgs invested"? If you are talking about the amount of orgs, Brazil easily tops Japan and Korea. If you are talking about money invested, well, it also does hahaha.

Then there is also the playbase aspect. Country by country, Brazil is second on number of players, only behind the US. The brazilian player base is bigger than the japanese and korean ones COMBINED.

I am still trying to find reasoning on your arguments :(

#337
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the number of orgs invested is pretty straightforward, just look at the number of orgs invested in each region.
go back like a week or so. some guy compiled a bunch of evidence and numbers showing japan topped regions like na, eu, and brazil in viewership

#368
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No, it is not straightforward. It is not only a comparison between absolute numbers, it goes beyond that if you are talking about investiments to create a healthy competitive scene in a region. But even if you consider only absolute numbers, I doubt you checked the Brazilian tier 2/3 and counted how many orgs there is and compared it with Korean/Japan numbers, because it would just prove how wrong you are. You are literally just saying whatever comes to your mind to keep supporting your disrupted idea.

And yes, I never said "the viewership in Japan is smaller than other regions", I just don't agree that the difference is so massive where it would be enough to remove another slot from Brazil. The fact that 2 out of the 5 most whatched games are from a Brazilian team supports what I am saying...

And nice to see that you ignored the playerbase point I mentioned, at least you have no way to disagree with that.

#372
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"You are literally just saying whatever comes to your mind to keep supporting your disrupted idea."

bud, the numbers are literally there, look at the value of each japanese/korean org invested, compare it with the numbers coming out of Brazil, they're incomparable. The japanese region alone has valuable investment right up there with Na and Emea. There's a reason they're able to attract so many import players with their high salaries, org recognition, the amount of amenities and accommodations they can receive, etc.

"The fact that 2 out of the 5 most whatched games are from a Brazilian team supports what I am saying..."
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2022-stage-1-masters-reykjavik (only 1 match, and you can clearly see how much more the japanese watch the game)

It's because Loud is good and they've advanced far. Whatever the region it may be playing the upper and grand final, they're bound to get more viewers naturally. Moreover, Japanese watch their domestic leagues the most, even more than NA or Emea. A huge chunk of those viewers watching Brazilian games, or any game for that matter, are Japanese.

#326
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in the end everything you say is directed to korea, you have good teams, but the region shows that it is dominated by a single team, based on the old vision strike, br has no argument to say that, every event is a different team that goes with inexperienced players in lan. Tip : look at your scenario before criticizing the other

#335
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pretty incorrect. Korea's best run was as team not even by Drx (or ex Vision Strikers). Drx are constantly challenged and lose bo3s to multiple teams domestically. Loud has been completely unchallenged. They're the first Brazil team to be able to be competitive internationally. They are the definition of a one team region

#341
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"Bo3s lose to several internal teams", the old VS was 103 unbeatable games in the region, you say that they lose but only the 2 line base went out, you have no argument and when they show an argument against what you say, you say that It doesn't have logic, it understands with its mind it's facade agr. You talk about loud, it was unstoppable here, guess what they are also being in the master, and it's not like they will forever be like the team in their region, first quarter of the year, teams already reformulating to beat loud. the game had its first competitive year in 2021, ANY change like that is extremely early, you talk about how it is an immutable thing and it's only based on audience as ONLY that would be equivalent to investment

#343
Vortexy
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idk what you meant by that last sentence.
"old" VS thanks for remembering. Not recent. This was at the start of Valorant. After their win streak, multiple teams have beat them domestically and Korea's best run wasn't even by vision strikers. Brazil on the other hand is a different story. They've had far more representation and opportunity internationally yet this new Loud team is the only one who can compete well without looking like a joke. They're the definition of a one team region.

#352
Zeronblack
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talking little and still being nonsense, remembering that this old VS is the current base of DRX and guess what they are still the only ones going out as well as the base of DWG, the br scenario was never a team of a single team, what loud did it only happened with gamelanders in 2020 in year 0 of the game, different in korea, you say that they are constantly tested but what always goes out are the 2 lines, br was never the same team, always with an inexperienced person in lan, and always with an individual standing out EVERY event even with an early exit in the competitive test year (2021) because the regions were still getting to know each other, and the nip itself in this master was well, it just succumbed to pressure because it was literally 1 point for the play off (without taking the merit of zeta that was better and is proving it now), but the evolution proof is VERY visible, only blind people don't see it as you are being and it's quite possible the loud will come back and it won't be the same thing for her to do the same thing, with completely different from korea that the winners will practically be DRX or DWG

#354
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and if you knew how the team's economy works, you would know that the audience is not the main factor to know if they have a high investment, there are several other factors such as followers, international fame, sale of shirts and especially sponsorship what the teams here have a lot but you just fill the audience

#355
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talking a lot and still being nonsense
every region is involving, you're acting like Brazil should be getting some sort of special accommodation
here are the facts: Brazil has looked like a joke internationally, only Loud has been redeeming the region. There are regions who have gotten much less slots and opportunity despite having just as competitive teams and more viewership.

#358
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and another fact for you to understand , audience is not the only metric , look at the individual highlights that you will always see one or three br in tp 5 in the rank , and we are in the second year of the game , with the format as a calendar still poorly made , being a few of the regions that invest the most and have the potential for growth much greater than that of Korea, he thinks, you are organizing in the short term differently from us, which is being organized in the medium and long term

#359
Zeronblack
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and you say that nip played badly is proof that you don't see the game, of course in zeta's game he made several basic mistakes that you could understand because he was 1 POINT away from ending the game, the same happened with zeta agr

#360
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Brazil has much larger population, much more passion for fps games, I would be surprised if they don't succeed. In fact, I'm already surprised that it's taken them this long to find some meaningful international wins even if it's from their one 'superteam' which doesn't accurately demonstrate how far behind the rest of the region is.

#361
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the same happens with korea, but they did it from the beginning, being the base of the drx almost always the only one that gets international prominence, what the region shows that even beating them sometimes can't take their place. and br has this history in fps and he never found himself at first r6 took 5 years and cs was 3 , it's always a matter of time and as already said loud is just the beginning , teams are reformulating we are only at the beginning , and you come up with a topic too early to talk about being impatient and feeling frustrated and feeling unfair to the asia region, with your only base being a year of testing the regions to get to know each other and to test acceptable tournament format for the teams , in addition to assuming that there is more investment in the modality and some sponsorship data from the orgs themselves do not reveal the value

#362
Vortexy
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you seem to smashing your head against a wall. "drx almost always the only one that gets international prominence" Korea's best run wasn't even by drx.

#327
waelkhrais
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no slots for Korea! Korea has to compete like last chance asia to enter the champions, I think it's fair since they always deliver.

#336
Vortexy
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'no slots' since they 'always deliver'? that doesn't make sense

#331
shauy
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don't know why people want less slots for regions and not just more slots & more tourneys overall tbh

#345
zzzzzzzzz
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1 slot for Brazil is healthy so apac can get 3

#349
renywri
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.

#350
Vortexy
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lol

#353
renywri
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yes i don't know how to use the forum XDDD LOL mb

#356
Vortexy
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happens to us all <3

#351
renywri
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and nuturn's best player is playing in japan now, you literally only have drx and tell me they are not a 1 team region HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

#357
Vortexy
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Yep they're not. Korea's best international run wasn't even by Drx (regardless of whatever region with more money bought the players out, facts are facts). Drx is constantly challenged domestically losing bo3's to multiple teams. How about Loud? I don't think they've even lost once domestically. The definition of a one team region.

#369
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Bro, they are literally 3 months old... If Loud was out there for a long period of time, winning everything they could, always taking Masters 1st BR spot and everything >>>>>>just like VS/CR/KRU at different moments<<<<<<<< them you would have a fair argument. Until them, sit down and watch the game.

#373
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What does the age matter? I'm simply pointing out that guy's illogical statement, calling Kr a 1 team region when Drx has't even had the region's best international runs and are often beat, but being completely oblivious to the fact that Br is somehow not a one team region, even tho Loud is the first time Brazil is even making it out of groups and going undefeated domestically.

#364
andzeraaa
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You should stop embarrassing your country and yourself, koreans are better than that.

LOUD proved that they are tier 1 and our teams, in general, are decent and only going to get better with LOUD being this good, they will push the other teams to get even better. This event NIP almost won against the top 3 team ZETA. Past results? VK put up a good fight against Acend last champions, vks almost won against gambit...

My country is historically good at fps and will always be, look at csgo, crossfire (which was played by asians a lot btw), only good results. Keep playing the game and maybe you will reach the finals one day, I hope we meet.

#366
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Likewise, Drx was close to beating multiple teams to like Optic which they won more rounds against, etc.

"You should stop embarrassing your country and yourself, koreans are better than that."
kekw, as if trembolona doesn't exist

#371
waelkhrais
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ehh, bcause Apac and Korea always hit finals in masters, they deserv 10 slots. Brazil no slots bcause they never play FPS, almost all best CS players and Valorant players are Korean, NA and EMEA dont even get close to Korea / APAC....
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HAHAHAHAH

#374
Vortexy
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Nah Brazil 1 slot until the rest of the region catches up. Why give them more opportunity over regions like Japan with just as competitive teams and more viewership and engagement?

#375
IXVI
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You literally have no idea about Brazil.
Brazil have so many talented players to form even 2 more super teams
Just look at Pancada from LOUD he didn't got a chance in last year because Brazil have a big problem called "friendship"
pancada tried to play with his friends from CrossFire used to carry them every single game and it doesn't happen only with Pancada, there's a lot "Friendship over sucess" here. Isn't because we're untalented unlike KR or JP.

People from other scenarios like CrossFire, CS, Point Blank. Always preferred to invite their old friends instead some random talented user
That's why Aspas, Less, Cauanzin, and many others players could not attend in past events (I know that's because their age but people always prefer old teammates + Lan experienced players over talented players )

Now in VK is happening something similar about VK's coach inviting his old companion to be 5th player, dude is already 25+ yo and untalented, going to perform OK because his old experience but he won't shine at all.
Another great player from here declined VK offer because his team is like "family" for him.
It really hurt BR scenario but I can understand if they prefer to play with cool people instead a Team focused only on results.

Do you remember FURIA from last year? It's also a team about "friendship" and LONG TERM PROJECT.

Qck from FURIA is destroying every single match, Khalil, nzr too. but three players cannot carry 2players dead weight.

Just like I said Brazil can form 2 more super teams if they focused more in Sucess than Friendship. We deserve 1 slots until' we fix this issue so we're going to get 2 slots.

#377
Vortexy
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"Isn't because we're untalented unlike KR"
lol someone doesn't know esports

"Do you remember FURIA from last year?"
the team who couldn't win anything besides that one lcq which they proved wasn't deserved?

"2players dead weigh"
lol that doesn't speak too highly of the region

W
"We deserve 1 slots until' we fix this issue so we're going to get 2 slots."
exactly what I'm saying. They have large population, huge passion, they'll be at the top soon, but getting so many slots throughout all of last year and this tourney as well (that lcq is literally just free spots for Brazil combined with advantages like getting out of groups) is not necessary atm.

#376
Vortexy
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#379
KoreanOverlord
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shouldve always been 1 slot removed given to JP/KR

all good franchise next year

#380
deadpark
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i love seeing u guys crying about slots

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