only 1 slot for Brazil

They got 2 guaranteed spots at Reykjavik last year, they got 2 guaranteed spots at Masters Berlin, they got 2 guaranteed spots at Champions plus an ADDITIONAL 3rd spot by playing in Brazil + Latam LCQ. In this LCQ, 3 out of 4 semifinalists were Brazilian teams, and the final was an extremely one sided affair in favor of Brazil. Same with this last LCQ which resulted in another sweeping 3-0 for Brazil. A Br + Latam LCQ is literally another guaranteed spot for a Brazilian team.
They have literally never made it out of groups ONCE despite having 8 teams in 4 LAN events (excluding the internationally unproven Loud which was given a free pass out of groups).

edit: lmao 8 months later it got locked

we literally have 1 slot the other is for latam who we beat brother

They only got 1, Latam could've gotten the 2nd but they lost to br. So it wasnt 2 guaranteed technically

rodx3 [#2]

we literally have 1 slot the other is for latam who we beat brother

yeah u dont deserve that slot

LATAM + Brazil 1 slot and we ok

Let Br/LATAM compete for 2 spots not more.

rodx3 [#2]

we literally have 1 slot the other is for latam who we beat brother

you got 2 slots in champs? plus the basically guaranteed 3rd spot for sweeping Latam in an uncontested LCQ

KOKUSHIBO [#5]

LATAM + Brazil 1 slot and we ok

braindead take
representation from as many regions as possible is very important

Maybe try doing a KR+JP slot instead of the LATAM+BR slot for one event, see how it works out (just a thought)

Marty [#3]

They only got 1, Latam could've gotten the 2nd but they lost to br. So it wasnt 2 guaranteed technically

a Br + Latam LCQ is basically a guarantee for Brazil. Just look back through all the Br and Latam LCQ's. They have been swept by Brazil each and every time.

manca [#8]

braindead take
representation from as many regions as possible is very important

yeah i would give that slots to india so we could see some skrossi playz

Brazil already has only 1 slot, NiP through to Masters winning LCQ,, If LATAM is weak, it's not our fault

Sprouts [#9]

Maybe try doing a KR+JP slot instead of the LATAM+BR slot for one event, see how it works out (just a thought)

It's Brazil who are still yet to prove themselves, not Kr or Jp who not only get only 1 spot each time but have proven better than Brazil. Brazil has gotten 2 guaranteed spots for all of 2021. They had 3 representatives at champs. Any Br + Latam LCQ is literally another guaranteed spot for Brazil as evident by Brazil sweeping them each time.

Edit: My bad I didn't understand what you were trying to say. But yeah I agree with that. Kr > Br (for now) and Japan has more viewership and investment than Br.

KOKUSHIBO [#5]

LATAM + Brazil 1 slot and we ok

you dont need to be ok, you just need to accept and be irrelevant, wake up you're a random sadboy and RIOT dont cares about you

Vortexy [#10]

a Br + Latam LCQ is basically a guarantee for Brazil. Just look back through all the Br and Latam LCQ's. They have been swept by Brazil each and every time.

Not guaranteed either way, and during Champs lcq australs almost swept the entire br scene, they just lost on the grand final which was sad.

TenZ_is_the_bettor [#12]

Brazil already has only 1 slot, NiP through to Masters winning LCQ,, If LATAM is weak, it's not our fault

They sweep Latam each time. A Br + Latam LCQ is basically another guaranteed spot for Brazil. There shouldn't even be a Br + Latam LCQ. One from each of those regions is enough.

Marty [#15]

Not guaranteed either way, and during Champs lcq australs almost swept the entire br scene, they just lost on the grand final which was sad.

here was that final btw
https://www.vlr.gg/42187/australs-vs-furia-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-gf

and this was this last lcq
https://www.vlr.gg/82602/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-latam-br-stage-1-last-chance-qualifier-decider

this LCQ change request does not only depend on the region's performance, it also takes into account the amount of players playing, the profit that the region gives, the amount of views it gives, among others. In the last survey that riot mentioned, the biggest player base was in the EU, then NA and in third, BR. for now until he launches it in china for good

Vortexy [#16]

They sweep Latam each time. A Br + Latam LCQ is basically another guaranteed spot for Brazil. There shouldn't even be a Br + Latam LCQ. One from each of those regions is enough.

Do you even what LCQ Matches?

Vortexy [#16]

They sweep Latam each time. A Br + Latam LCQ is basically another guaranteed spot for Brazil. There shouldn't even be a Br + Latam LCQ. One from each of those regions is enough.

Kru was 3/4 on the champions better than all the other regions (exclude EMEA), how could you say something like that. And Loud still alive, which is a team much superior to nip,

Zeronblack [#18]

this LCQ change request does not only depend on the region's performance, it also takes into account the amount of players playing, the profit that the region gives, the amount of views it gives, among others. In the last survey that riot mentioned, the biggest player base was in the EU, then NA and in third, BR. for now until he launches it in china for good

Japan has more viewership than Brazil. They get like 60k, sometimes more, on twitch alone plus more on additional Japanese platforms.

But basically Brazil is gifted spots on a silver platter, failing to make it out of groups even ONCE from 8 teams in 4 events? (besides the yet unproven Loud who got a pass out of groups for Nip sweeping Lev in LCQ).

NexusFPS [#19]

Do you even what LCQ Matches?

yep I do watch them
https://www.vlr.gg/42187/australs-vs-furia-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/82602/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-latam-br-stage-1-last-chance-qualifier-decider

it should better be given to CIS & TR as last chance quals, instead of weaker region, competing against EU teams just not fair. in whole EMEA, there many more better teams than Latin America i believe ..

Vortexy [#21]

Japan has more viewership than Brazil. They get like 60k, sometimes more, on twitch alone plus more on additional Japanese platforms.

But basically Brazil is gifted spots on a silver platter, failing to make it out of groups even ONCE from 8 teams in 4 events? (besides the yet unproven Loud who got a pass out of groups for Nip sweeping Lev in LCQ).

as I said, there are several factors that weigh, the biggest of all even being the base player who plays, many just prefer to play than to see the competitive, this is in all games

Vortexy [#17]

here was that final btw
https://www.vlr.gg/42187/australs-vs-furia-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-gf

and this was this last lcq
https://www.vlr.gg/82602/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-latam-br-stage-1-last-chance-qualifier-decider

But my argument is that it isn't guaranteed. If you remove that slot from br and Latam you're not only punishing br you're also punishing latam(probably justified at this point tbh). You're saying it's basically guaranteed and I'm saying it's technically not. Especially when that australs core was able to beat a large majority of br teams.

Jkatona1 [#20]

Kru was 3/4 on the champions better than all the other regions (exclude EMEA), how could you say something like that. And Loud still alive, which is a team much superior to nip,

Kru has already bombed out of groups, not being able to win a single map. That is the most relevant statistic you should look at. Anyone can go back and refer to some event where one team had a nice run or something.

By your logic...
One year ago Korea got 3rd at Reykjavik (even better than a tied 3-4th place finish which Kru got).
Japan has actually made it out of groups and has beat Brazil several times, unlike Brazil who haven't even made it out of groups ONCE despite having 8 teams at 4 events (excluding Loud who were handed a free pass out of groups on a silver platter).

According to that, why should Latam and Brazil get additional spots and not KR and JP?

Zeronblack [#24]

as I said, there are several factors that weigh, the biggest of all even being the base player who plays, many just prefer to play than to see the competitive, this is in all games

so teams grinding hard and actually earning results can only get 1 spot? But because Brazil has an enthusiastic fan base, they can get 9 representatives at 4 events despite being incapable of getting out of groups?

Vortexy [#26]

Kru has already bombed out of groups, not being able to win a single map. That is the most relevant statistic you should look at. Anyone can go back and refer to some event where one team had a nice run or something.

By your logic...
One year ago Korea got 3rd at Reykjavik (even better than a tied 3-4th place finish which Kru got).
Japan has actually made it out of groups and has beat Brazil several times, unlike Brazil who haven't even made it out of groups ONCE despite having 8 teams at 4 events (excluding Loud who were handed a free pass out of groups on a silver platter).

According to that, why should Latam and Brazil get additional spots and not KR and JP?

The riot has already made it clear that it prioritizes the champion. KRU had a good run, so they deserved it. KR dont make out of the groups, jp too. So its logic, to make a seed, you look at the latest event. How could they imagine the choke of kru? For the next one we need to see yet. Any team can win this masters

KoreanOverlord [#4]

yeah u dont deserve that slot

Cringe + Sacy owns you

BR/LATAM LCQ shouldn't exist, both regions don't deserve an additional spot. Just give it to KR/JP

Marty [#25]

But my argument is that it isn't guaranteed. If you remove that slot from br and Latam you're not only punishing br you're also punishing latam(probably justified at this point tbh). You're saying it's basically guaranteed and I'm saying it's technically not. Especially when that australs core was able to beat a large majority of br teams.

Sry m8 I guess our opinions vary, but in my eyes, it's basically a guarantee. Brazil has always won LCQ convincingly every single time. No Latam team has come close. Yes they can occasionally win a game here or there, but they have never come close whatsoever to winning LCQ. Refer to those finals I linked above again.

Vortexy [#13]

It's Brazil who are still yet to prove themselves, not Kr or Jp who not only get only 1 spot each time but have proven better than Brazil. Brazil has gotten 2 guaranteed spots for all of 2021. They had 3 representatives at champs. Any Br + Latam LCQ is literally another guaranteed spot for Brazil as evident by Brazil sweeping them each time.

Edit: My bad I didn't understand what you were trying to say. But yeah I agree with that. Kr > Br (for now) and Japan has more viewership and investment than Br.

I don't think Riot will change slots in the middle of the circuit, let's see how it goes throughout the year. If this keeps happening, so yeah, they should definitely change the slots

Vortexy [#27]

so teams grinding hard and actually earning results can only get 1 spot? But because Brazil has an enthusiastic fan base, they can get 9 representatives at 4 events despite being incapable of getting out of groups?

another point , valorant is just beginning in a way , this is its second year officially , sudden changes like this require a longer period of observation , it 's not just spending 1 year and changing , imagine if the EU is not doing well this year and they ask to take a vacancy from them and give it to NA, it's without logic, you can't evaluate the evolution or what is happening in the region to have this result

Vortexy [#26]

Kru has already bombed out of groups, not being able to win a single map. That is the most relevant statistic you should look at. Anyone can go back and refer to some event where one team had a nice run or something.

By your logic...
One year ago Korea got 3rd at Reykjavik (even better than a tied 3-4th place finish which Kru got).
Japan has actually made it out of groups and has beat Brazil several times, unlike Brazil who haven't even made it out of groups ONCE despite having 8 teams at 4 events (excluding Loud who were handed a free pass out of groups on a silver platter).

According to that, why should Latam and Brazil get additional spots and not KR and JP?

You know that third spot Korea got does not weight the same as the 4th spot Kru got at champions, becuase of that performance they took one slot from Br and made it an LCQ with latam. They had 2 slots now they have 1 and a half.

Vortexy [#31]

Sry m8 I guess our opinions vary, but in my eyes, it's basically a guarantee. Brazil has always won LCQ convincingly every single time. No Latam team has come close. Yes they can occasionally win a game here or there, but they have never come close whatsoever to winning LCQ. Refer to those finals I linked above again.

All good, end of the day we have no influence lol. Cheers

Latam + BR 2 slots, KR + JP 2 slots. I think that's fair. The last slot should honestly go towards EMEA, seeing how CIS is literally so good it's topping every Challengers so far, they deserve 4 slots at Master at least.

Always the "Brazil is bad" prerogative. LATAM is bad. It's not our fault that RIOT keeps putting us together and they are a 0,5 team region. Put BR against LATAM and we will always win over them l.

mino [#36]

Latam + BR 2 slots, KR + JP 2 slots. I think that's fair. The last slot should honestly go towards EMEA, seeing how CIS is literally so good it's topping every Challengers so far, they deserve 4 slots at Master at least.

The real problem is the number of teams competing. We should have at least 16 and we could accommodate all the regions l.

number1_MIBR_hater [#37]

Always the "Brazil is bad" prerogative. LATAM is bad. It's not our fault that RIOT keeps putting us together and they are a 0,5 team region. Put BR against LATAM and we will always win over them l.

not always

TenZ_is_the_bettor [#12]

Brazil already has only 1 slot, NiP through to Masters winning LCQ,, If LATAM is weak, it's not our fault

It's your fault if you're losing to literally Japan and APAC every other event while having as many seeds as EMEA for no fucking reason.

Jkatona1 [#28]

The riot has already made it clear that it prioritizes the champion. KRU had a good run, so they deserved it. KR dont make out of the groups, jp too. So its logic, to make a seed, you look at the latest event. How could they imagine the choke of kru? For the next one we need to see yet. Any team can win this masters

Your comment is filled with incorrect statements. Korea got 3rd at Reykjavik, they crushed Acend to advance out of groups at Berlin only to face Gambit right away who were the best team there (DRX statistically the 2nd best team there as they were the only team to take maps of Gambit in playoffs). Just right now, they decimated NIP to make it out of groups again in a +36 round deferential. ZETA literally just beat NIP to advance out of groups right now.

Kru couldn't even win a single map and are already eliminated. So are NIP. Sure Kru had a nice run, but evidently they're done for going off their most recent performance. If you want to reference Kru getting a joint 3rd-4th place finish, then i can easily reference Nuturn getting a better placing of 3rd place at Reykjavik.

number1_MIBR_hater [#37]

Always the "Brazil is bad" prerogative. LATAM is bad. It's not our fault that RIOT keeps putting us together and they are a 0,5 team region. Put BR against LATAM and we will always win over them l.

Tell that to leviatan in last year's SA lcq, made it all the way to grand finals

number1_MIBR_hater [#37]

Always the "Brazil is bad" prerogative. LATAM is bad. It's not our fault that RIOT keeps putting us together and they are a 0,5 team region. Put BR against LATAM and we will always win over them l.

bro lol I'm not blaming the individual fans for Riot putting you guys against Latam for easy LCQ qualification. (although some Brazilian fans do tend to be a bit demanding ngl)

Vortexy [#7]

you got 2 slots in champs? plus the basically guaranteed 3rd spot for sweeping Latam in an uncontested LCQ

actually 1 spot, the other 2 goes to the LCQ finalists.

Mkin11 [#39]

not always

If you're gonna bring the CSGO 9z against 00nation thing, just forget it. 00nation is a dump, it doesn't represent us.
FURIA "swept" the LCQ against BR and LATAM on valorant, and they're like our top 4 now.

BadlandsChugs [#42]

Tell that to leviatan in last year's SA lcq, made it all the way to grand finals

And lost 3-0 to our current top 4. Point?

Yugure [#44]

actually 1 spot, the other 2 goes to the LCQ finalists.

sry m8 but Vikings and Keyd qualified directly from Brazil. Only one team could make it from LCQ, which was no surprise swept by Brazil for essentially another free slot.

number1_MIBR_hater [#45]

If you're gonna bring the CSGO 9z against 00nation thing, just forget it. 00nation is a dump, it doesn't represent us.
FURIA "swept" the LCQ against BR and LATAM on valorant, and they're like our top 4 now.

this is valorant bro, you are 3-0 against latam in masters/champions

Vortexy [#43]

bro lol I'm not blaming the individual fans for Riot putting you guys against Latam for easy LCQ qualification. (although some Brazilian fans do tend to be a bit demanding ngl)

It should be like current CS: all america with a number of spots and they play against each other to get the slots

Vortexy [#47]

sry m8 but Vikings and Keyd qualified directly from Brazil. Only one team could make it from LCQ, which was no surprise swept by Brazil for essentially another free slot.

I'm saying for this year, not last year.

Mkin11 [#48]

this is valorant bro, you are 3-0 against latam in masters/champions

Brazil on playoffs, LATAM out on groups, idk what you're talking about.

number1_MIBR_hater [#51]

Brazil on playoffs, LATAM out on groups, idk what you're talking about.

no te da la cara para decir eso kkkkkkkk

Yugure [#50]

I'm saying for this year, not last year.

lo and behold there's 2 Brazilian teams. The LCQ is literally a free spot to Brazil. Latam have never once got close to contesting the win. What's more, now the LCQ is used as a justification for Brazil to finally get a pass out of groups, which they've been failing at getting out of despite having 8 teams at 4 different events.

Mkin11 [#52]

no te da la cara para decir eso kkkkkkkk

Campaña de KRU = fluke

Agarrate a que quieras, pelo és la verdad

number1_MIBR_hater [#54]

Campaña de KRU = fluke

Agarrate a que quieras, pelo és la verdad

el mayor logro de valorant BR a dia de hoy fue ganarle a un Fnatic con dos subs, agarrate a que quieras, pelo es la verdad

Mkin11 [#34]

You know that third spot Korea got does not weight the same as the 4th spot Kru got at champions, becuase of that performance they took one slot from Br and made it an LCQ with latam. They had 2 slots now they have 1 and a half.

Why not? And why do Brazil and Latam get a slot and a half each? Kru bombed out of groups already without winning a single map. Nip already eliminated too. They should each be getting one slot maximum based off their performances.

Vortexy [#53]

lo and behold there's 2 Brazilian teams. The LCQ is literally a free spot to Brazil. Latam have never once got close to contesting the win. What's more, now the LCQ is used as a justification for Brazil to finally get a pass out of groups, which they've been failing at getting out of despite having 8 teams at 4 different events.

I don't think Riot's going to transfer the slot to other region. They'll probably add like Masters Berlin, but maybe with 20-24 teams next year. With COVID and the Ukraine crisis is hard to do big LAN events, even Worlds have struggled in the last 2 years. Every region should have at least 2 spots in Masters/Champions.

Riot should’ve made it a LAN event where all second/third seeds from each region has a chance to compete for Masters slots instead of just handing them out.

Vortexy [#56]

Why not? And why do Brazil and Latam get a slot and a half each? Kru bombed out of groups already without winning a single map. Nip already eliminated too. They should each be getting one slot maximum based off their performances.

Masters is qualifier for champions thus the results of champions matter more than masters results. why do Brazil and Latam get a slot and a half each? I already told you Brazil had 2 slots and becuase of champions they lost the second lost to compete with latam. Loud still has the chance to redeem BR for the second slot.

Zeronblack [#33]

another point , valorant is just beginning in a way , this is its second year officially , sudden changes like this require a longer period of observation , it 's not just spending 1 year and changing , imagine if the EU is not doing well this year and they ask to take a vacancy from them and give it to NA, it's without logic, you can't evaluate the evolution or what is happening in the region to have this result

The only thing I know is that Brazil has been getting a ridiculous amount of spots only to flop every single time. Now the LCQ, which basically gives them a free spot, is used as justification for them to bypass groups for the first time. Regions like Korea have performed much better. Regions like Japan have much more viewership. There is no justification for Brazil to get such beneficial treatment.

Yugure [#57]

I don't think Riot's going to transfer the slot to other region. They'll probably add like Masters Berlin, but maybe with 20-24 teams next year. With COVID and the Ukraine crisis is hard to do big LAN events, even Worlds have struggled in the last 2 years. Every region should have at least 2 spots in Masters/Champions.

All I'm advocating for is getting rid of this Br + Latam LCQ. Brazil is getting an unproportionate amount of opportunity compared to other regions, despite being the worst region themselves.

Marty [#35]

All good, end of the day we have no influence lol. Cheers

cheers 🥂

Vortexy [#61]

All I'm advocating for is getting rid of this Br + Latam LCQ. Brazil is getting an unproportionate amount of opportunity compared to other regions, despite being the worst region themselves.

Imo if they're going to do this, they need to add in all regions aswell OR the match between seed 1 from LATAM and seed 1 from BR to decide, because LATAM as a region didn't acomplished anything just like Brazil, only KRU. So a match between KRU and BR seed 1 to decide the TOP SEED in Masters would be more fair than putting seed 2 from each region and let them battle.

If not that, maybe putting
EMEA 1 (pot 1)
NA 1 (pot 1)
KR 1 (pot 1)
SEA 1 (pot 1)
JP 1 (pot 2)
BR 1 (pot 2)
LATAM 1 (pot 2)
EMEA 2 (pot 2)

already in group stage, then other lower seeds need to do an "Play-in phase" just like League u know?

Vortexy [#60]

The only thing I know is that Brazil has been getting a ridiculous amount of spots only to flop every single time. Now the LCQ, which basically gives them a free spot, is used as justification for them to bypass groups for the first time. Regions like Korea have performed much better. Regions like Japan have much more viewership. There is no justification for Brazil to get such beneficial treatment.

as I said before, there are several factors that weigh, the biggest of all even being the base player who plays, many just prefer to play than to see the competitive, this is in all games. The PLAYER BASE is the one that has the most weight, and in terms of performance, valorant is very new (2 years) and we are in the 1/3 international of 2022.

You can never say just because the game doesn't have views when riot does it there aren't people playing, a lot of people here shit to see the competitive and just focus on playing

deadpark [#32]

I don't think Riot will change slots in the middle of the circuit, let's see how it goes throughout the year. If this keeps happening, so yeah, they should definitely change the slots

They changed slot allocations and formats throughout all of last year

Mkin11 [#59]

Masters is qualifier for champions thus the results of champions matter more than masters results. why do Brazil and Latam get a slot and a half each? I already told you Brazil had 2 slots and becuase of champions they lost the second lost to compete with latam. Loud still has the chance to redeem BR for the second slot.

here are the facts:

Brazil can't do crap at international events
They have never made it out of groups
Latam hasn't done much either (only Kru made a decent run, but are now statistically the worst team at Reykjavik right now)
Korea has had much more proven successes
Japan can actually beat Brazil and get out of groups and has much more viewership and investment than Brazil

Yet Brazil is lavished with luxuries like getting 9 teams participating in a span of 4 LAN events and getting automatic passes out of groups. They should be getting one spot at max.

Zeronblack [#64]

as I said before, there are several factors that weigh, the biggest of all even being the base player who plays, many just prefer to play than to see the competitive, this is in all games. The PLAYER BASE is the one that has the most weight, and in terms of performance, valorant is very new (2 years) and we are in the 1/3 international of 2022.

You can never say just because the game doesn't have views when riot does it there aren't people playing, a lot of people here shit to see the competitive and just focus on playing

Evidently you ignored what I wrote, but Japan has more engagement, viewership, and investment than the entirety of Brazil. They had more viewers than NA or EMEA.

Moreover, you seem oblivious to the fact that Brazil sucks ass and can't even get out of groups without a "get out of groups pass."

Vortexy [#67]

Evidently you ignored what I wrote, but Japan has more engagement, viewership, and investment than the entirety of Brazil. They had more viewers than NA or EMEA.

Moreover, you seem oblivious to the fact that Brazil sucks ass and can't even get out of groups without a "get out of groups pass."

and you didn't know how to read when I said that the most important thing is the amount of player base, you say that they have more audience is one thing but to say that more engagement and more investment is very unfounded, engagement doesn't come only from live and investment doesn't it's just a mixed scenario, think before you type

today's match showed that BR's seed2 is similar to JP seed1

if it was Loud vs Zeta it would have been different

Zeronblack [#68]

and you didn't know how to read when I said that the most important thing is the amount of player base, you say that they have more audience is one thing but to say that more engagement and more investment is very unfounded, engagement doesn't come only from live and investment doesn't it's just a mixed scenario, think before you type

You think before you type salty bronzilian. Why tf would the player base be the most determining factor since you seem to be casting aside all other aspects like Brazil being crap. Things like viewership rate and investment are bigger factors, which Japan has more of.

Vortexy [#66]

here are the facts:

Brazil can't do crap at international events
They have never made it out of groups
Latam hasn't done much either (only Kru made a decent run, but are now statistically the worst team at Reykjavik right now)
Korea has had much more proven successes
Japan can actually beat Brazil and get out of groups and has much more viewership and investment than Brazil

Yet Brazil is lavished with luxuries like getting 9 teams participating in a span of 4 LAN events and getting automatic passes out of groups. They should be getting one spot at max.

I dont care about Brazil, if you want another slot for Korea go ahead, you already got one before and it went in the drain. Maybe this time it will not

Vortexy [#70]

You think before you type salty bronzilian. Why tf would the player base be the most determining factor since you seem to be casting aside all other aspects like Brazil being crap. Things like viewership rate and investment are bigger factors, which Japan has more of.

you crazy, riot herself already said that during the first master in 2021, and tell me how you know that japan's investment is bigger, there's no way to know, only riot itself, is creating data from your ass

akaFelipee [#69]

today's match showed that BR's seed2 is similar to JP seed1

if it was Loud vs Zeta it would have been different

Brazil: 9 appearances at 4 international events + never once made it out of groups
Japan: 4 appearances at 4 international events + can actually progress and qualify to playoffs despite having less than half the opportunity of Brazil

Also, DRX crapped all over NIP, it wasn't even close. By your logic, Korea should have more spots or at least LCQ opportunities, yet they don't.

Mkin11 [#71]

I dont care about Brazil, if you want another slot for Korea go ahead, you already got one before and it went in the drain. Maybe this time it will not

"you already got one before and it went in the drain"

what's that even supposed to mean? are you talking about Kru who couldn't win a single map? kekw

Brazil: 9 international appearances at 4 events. Apparently ALL those slots when down the drain.

Vortexy [#70]

You think before you type salty bronzilian. Why tf would the player base be the most determining factor since you seem to be casting aside all other aspects like Brazil being crap. Things like viewership rate and investment are bigger factors, which Japan has more of.

tldr

BR seed 1 >>>>> JP seed 1 > BR seed 2

akaFelipee [#75]

tldr

BR seed 1 >>>>> JP seed 1 > BR seed 2

Not that they have even faced each other yet so...

I can just as easily say Kr seed 1 > BR seed 1

Zeronblack [#72]

you crazy, riot herself already said that during the first master in 2021, and tell me how you know that japan's investment is bigger, there's no way to know, only riot itself, is creating data from your ass

You can easily research the orgs that are invested in each region, see how much money they have, etc. It's not a secret, numbers speak for themselves. Japan also had more viewers than either EMEA or NA did during their qualification events and definitely more than Brazil. You're crazy.

Vortexy [#73]

Brazil: 9 appearances at 4 international events + never once made it out of groups
Japan: 4 appearances at 4 international events + can actually progress and qualify to playoffs despite having less than half the opportunity of Brazil

Also, DRX crapped all over NIP, it wasn't even close. By your logic, Korea should have more spots or at least LCQ opportunities, yet they don't.

"DRX crapped all over NIP"

bro wtf wdym
DRX 26-5 ZETA
just give that slot to Korea, they deserve more than JP and Brazil

akaFelipee [#75]

tldr

BR seed 1 >>>>> JP seed 1 > BR seed 2

bro Valorant is so volatile, that I don't even use team as a basement, team A beats B that beats C that C beats A, it's total madness. Proof of this, no champion of any master is competing against this master and 2 semi-finalists of the champions were eliminated in the groups , but... yes loud is very good

akaFelipee [#78]

"DRX crapped all over NIP"

bro wtf wdym
DRX 26-5 ZETA
just give that slot to Korea, they deserve more than JP and Brazil

"bRo wTf WdYm"

https://www.vlr.gg/84644/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-drx-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-winners-a

mad on copium kekw

drx smashed every team so far, but my initial claim "DRX crapped all over NIP" stands true

Vortexy [#77]

You can easily research the orgs that are invested in each region, see how much money they have, etc. It's not a secret, numbers speak for themselves. Japan also had more viewers than either EMEA or NA did during their qualification events and definitely more than Brazil. You're crazy.

so tell the difference there the smart guy, as for liquid, nip immortals (mibr) invested in the scenario, how many do they pay salary in addition to the structure they give to the players and how much support does riot give to the org, because this support rolls in japan and korea for the orgs not to abandon the scenario they had this problem to keep the public and they were helped by riot central

Zeronblack [#81]

so tell the difference there the smart guy, as for liquid, nip immortals (mibr) invested in the scenario, how many do they pay salary in addition to the structure they give to the players and how much support does riot give to the org, because this support rolls in japan and korea for the orgs not to abandon the scenario they had this problem to keep the public and they were helped by riot central

"because this support rolls in japan and korea for the orgs not to abandon the scenario they had this problem to keep the public and they were helped by riot central"

I have absolutely no idea what you just said. But... Japan (and NA) pays big money, that's how they have imports from Russia, Korea, South Asia, etc. This is a well established fact in esports. You can also easily search up the revenue of these esport orgs. Japanese orgs has quite a bit of moolah behind them. The viewership and interest rates are easily accessible as well, some thread was made an hour or so ago showing how Japanese viewership was more than Na or Emea.

Vortexy [#74]

"you already got one before and it went in the drain"

what's that even supposed to mean? are you talking about Kru who couldn't win a single map? kekw

Brazil: 9 international appearances at 4 events. Apparently ALL those slots when down the drain.

im talking about F4Q since apparently you either forget or dont want to remember

Mkin11 [#83]

im talking about F4Q since apparently you either forget or dont want to remember

F4Q, the unsigned group of streamers who took maps off sentinels and g2 and actually put up a fight unlike Kru who couldn't win a single map?

Also you seem to be conveniently ignoring all those wasted spots that went to Brazil. What a selective memory you have kekw.

Vortexy [#80]

"bRo wTf WdYm"

https://www.vlr.gg/84644/ninjas-in-pyjamas-vs-drx-valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k-winners-a

mad on copium kekw

drx smashed every team so far, but my initial claim "DRX crapped all over NIP" stands true

yes bro, DRX is better than NIP -> AND <- ZETA, that's true

but Loud is miles ahead of NIP, you can't say Brazil suck bcuz our seed2 lost to JP seed1

BR/LATAM LCQ slot should go to Korea not Japan, they deserve more than everyone else

the problem is that it seems like you just want to trashtalk brazil

conclusion: DRX is ahead of both regions

edit: i upvoted u

Vortexy [#84]

F4Q, the unsigned group of streamers who took maps off sentinels and g2 and actually put up a fight unlike Kru who couldn't win a single map?

Also you seem to be conveniently ignoring all those wasted spots that went to Brazil. What a selective memory you have kekw.

the very same , not a very competitive scene if a group of streamers can do what they did.

Vortexy [#84]

F4Q, the unsigned group of streamers who took maps off sentinels and g2 and actually put up a fight unlike Kru who couldn't win a single map?

Also you seem to be conveniently ignoring all those wasted spots that went to Brazil. What a selective memory you have kekw.

you have trouble reading, I dont care about Brazil so dont try using them

akaFelipee [#85]

yes bro, DRX is better than NIP -> AND <- ZETA, that's true

but Loud is miles ahead of NIP, you can't say Brazil suck bcuz our seed2 lost to JP seed1

BR/LATAM LCQ slot should go to Korea not Japan, they deserve more than everyone else

the problem is that it seems like you just want to trashtalk brazil

conclusion: DRX is ahead of both regions

edit: i upvoted u

W you earned my respect.

"the problem is that it seems like you just want to trashtalk brazil"

nah I'm just trying to shine light onto how unfairly slots are distributed among the regions. I'm sorry that I have to use Brazil's poor performances so far as justification, but it is a legitimate argument to make.

Mkin11 [#86]

the very same , not a very competitive scene if a group of streamers can do what they did.

Just because they're streamers doesn't mean they lacked talent or skill, just shows the potential the region has with more investment and opportunity. They were still huge underdogs who put up decent fights and took maps, unlike Kru who has gotten literally 0 map wins.

Mkin11 [#87]

you have trouble reading, I dont care about Brazil so dont try using them

Yet you were talking about how Loud could avenge Brazil and win them additional slots or something like that? lmfao

Vortexy [#88]

W you earned my respect.

"the problem is that it seems like you just want to trashtalk brazil"

nah I'm just trying to shine light onto how unfairly slots are distributed among the regions. I'm sorry that I have to use Brazil's poor performances so far as justification, but it is a legitimate argument to make.

you earned my respect too lmao

btw I think DRX will get at least 2nd place, they're too good

akaFelipee [#91]

you earned my respect too lmao

btw I think DRX will get at least 2nd place, they're too good

nah they'll lose to loud :(

Vortexy [#89]

Just because they're streamers doesn't mean they lacked talent or skill, just shows the potential the region has with more investment and opportunity. They were still huge underdogs who put up decent fights and took maps, unlike Kru who has gotten literally 0 map wins.

nah it shows that Korea is joke region where 5 ranked buddies can climb with how little competition there is, that is why DRX just farms them everytime KEWK

Vortexy [#92]

nah they'll lose to loud :(

I'm Brazilian but, being honest, DRX is slightly better than Loud :(

Vortexy [#90]

Yet you were talking about how Loud could avenge Brazil and win them additional slots or something like that? lmfao

and what? its an observation that does not mean I care if they win or not, try reading better next time clown

take lcq slot and give it to na.

Mkin11 [#93]

nah it shows that Korea is joke region where 5 ranked buddies can climb with how little competition there is, that is why DRX just farms them everytime KEWK

Drx got 2-0'd by ONS and teams like Nuturn can get 3rd. The joke region is Latam, one team region who couldn't even win a single map this event.

Vortexy [#82]

"because this support rolls in japan and korea for the orgs not to abandon the scenario they had this problem to keep the public and they were helped by riot central"

I have absolutely no idea what you just said. But... Japan (and NA) pays big money, that's how they have imports from Russia, Korea, South Asia, etc. This is a well established fact in esports. You can also easily search up the revenue of these esport orgs. Japanese orgs has quite a bit of moolah behind them. The viewership and interest rates are easily accessible as well, some thread was made an hour or so ago showing how Japanese viewership was more than Na or Emea.

Let's take it easy to see if you understand this time, this support that I spoke was even talking about a caster from riot itself, because they didn't have enough orgs investing in the scenario riot central liberol riot das regions give an "allowance" to the orgs large ones that participated precisely as a stimulus for the scenario not to decrease further.

In the same way as you said, the orgs here have a lot of resources if you want to import a player from outside, they do it in countless other games, in valorant as well as r6 or cs go, this doesn't need to have native talent, remembering that the exact value that the org has never published this data that you get is not exact, it's an estimate, because all this is an internal movement of the org itself. Example of org that I mentioned here that has good fury conditions, pain vivokeyd etc , as well as in other countries there are orgs that have a huge fund too.

even if you are against it and think it's stupid, it's the fact that I said riot uses in greater consideration of comparison of those options the base player, you can be totally against it, but she said that when the seed was asked last year.

Mkin11 [#95]

and what? its an observation that does not mean I care if they win or not, try reading better next time clown

you read better next time bozo. You're dedicating several comments in which you talk about Brazil. kekw can't even read what you write. Why would you even mention or make observations about them if you have no interest in them?

Zeronblack [#98]

Let's take it easy to see if you understand this time, this support that I spoke was even talking about a caster from riot itself, because they didn't have enough orgs investing in the scenario riot central liberol riot das regions give an "allowance" to the orgs large ones that participated precisely as a stimulus for the scenario not to decrease further.

In the same way as you said, the orgs here have a lot of resources if you want to import a player from outside, they do it in countless other games, in valorant as well as r6 or cs go, this doesn't need to have native talent, remembering that the exact value that the org has never published this data that you get is not exact, it's an estimate, because all this is an internal movement of the org itself. Example of org that I mentioned here that has good fury conditions, pain vivokeyd etc , as well as in other countries there are orgs that have a huge fund too.

even if you are against it and think it's stupid, it's the fact that I said riot uses in greater consideration of comparison of those options the base player, you can be totally against it, but she said that when the seed was asked last year.

K thx for confirming my claim that Japan's high investment and engagement in the scene should result in more slots over bronzil who can't get out of groups. Just a shame Riot caves in to Brazilian death threats and tries to appease them.

akaFelipee [#94]

I'm Brazilian but, being honest, DRX is slightly better than Loud :(

👀

xdee1234 [#96]

take lcq slot and give it to na.

I know every one is fighting above this comment, but can we all unite to say that this is the one wrong answer

Vortexy [#100]

K thx for confirming my claim that Japan's high investment and engagement in the scene should result in more slots over bronzil who can't get out of groups. Just a shame Riot caves in to Brazilian death threats and tries to appease them.

From what I see, what you understand about engagement is a very limited pool focused only on riot lives, such as twitter, discord, the number of content creators doesn't matter but that's it, faith in that thought there bro it's right, we control riot because if she doesn't do what we want, some cats dripping from the community talk nonsense to her as if the others didn't have it either, that's right

Vortexy [#99]

you read better next time bozo. You're dedicating several comments in which you talk about Brazil. kekw can't even read what you write. Why would you even mention or make observations about them if you have no interest in them?

Its okay my guy once Loud get 2-0ed they will understand

Closer [#104]

Its okay my guy once Loud get 2-0ed they will understand

bruh lol, they're a strong tho

Zeronblack [#103]

From what I see, what you understand about engagement is a very limited pool focused only on riot lives, such as twitter, discord, the number of content creators doesn't matter but that's it, faith in that thought there bro it's right, we control riot because if she doesn't do what we want, some cats dripping from the community talk nonsense to her as if the others didn't have it either, that's right

wtf are you babbling about, twitter, discord?? dripping cats? kekw go see a doctor

Sprouts [#102]

I know every one is fighting above this comment, but can we all unite to say that this is the one wrong answer

What if NA wins this tournament?

Is it still wrong?

Another question.

If C9 was in group A do you think they wouldn’t have qualified for the playoffs?

KOKUSHIBO [#11]

yeah i would give that slots to india so we could see some skrossi playz

Won't happen. He already has migrane issues and now his spine is broken from all the hard carrying

Vortexy [#97]

Drx got 2-0'd by ONS and teams like Nuturn can get 3rd. The joke region is Latam, one team region who couldn't even win a single map this event.

DRX got 2-0 by ONS in a match where DRX played terrible, not cause ONS was in a similar or a better level.

Sprouts [#102]

I know every one is fighting above this comment, but can we all unite to say that this is the one wrong answer

c9/v1/sen would outperform half of the teams at this event

Heyheyehyehyehyrhyr [#109]

DRX got 2-0 by ONS in a match where DRX played terrible, not cause ONS was in a similar or a better level.

my point still stands that there are competitive teams, unlike Latam's one team region who couldn't win a single map this event

xdee1234 [#110]

c9/v1/sen would outperform half of the teams at this event

stop reading at SEN, SEN is a bunch of good players/streamers without a coach

Vortexy [#97]

Drx got 2-0'd by ONS and teams like Nuturn can get 3rd. The joke region is Latam, one team region who couldn't even win a single map this event.

Teams like Nuturn do not exist anymore, the only team left is DRX, talk about being a one team region. You go to the Korean qualifiers and you find DRX facing against their own leftovers, what a joke

Vortexy [#111]

my point still stands that there are competitive teams, unlike Latam's one team region who couldn't win a single map this event

if for you KR is competitive cause ONS won 2-0 against a DRX with a poor level, then LATAM is competitive too cause e-xolos won against a KRU that can't practice due Brazil situation

Vortexy [#111]

my point still stands that there are competitive teams, unlike Latam's one team region who couldn't win a single map this event

if you want a 2nd spot for korea, then compete against APAC for that spot. APAC and KR 1 spot each one, APAC/KR LCQ 1 spot. But you won't accept it cause we know that almost every top team in APAC is 3 times better than ONS

Mkin11 [#113]

Teams like Nuturn do not exist anymore, the only team left is DRX, talk about being a one team region. You go to the Korean qualifiers and you find DRX facing against their own leftovers, what a joke

One team region? Yep BESIDES Korea's successes, they have no successes is basically what you're saying. A one team region he said kekw.

What's Latam then? 0 maps won in the entire event kekw. Latam no team region. Shame they even get an LCQ and more opportunity when they perform like they did this event.

Heyheyehyehyehyrhyr [#114]

if for you KR is competitive cause ONS won 2-0 against a DRX with a poor level, then LATAM is competitive too cause e-xolos won against a KRU that can't practice due Brazil situation

no Latam is not competitive lmao. The region couldn't even win a single map this entire event, let alone get a win.

Heyheyehyehyehyrhyr [#115]

if you want a 2nd spot for korea, then compete against APAC for that spot. APAC and KR 1 spot each one, APAC/KR LCQ 1 spot. But you won't accept it cause we know that almost every top team in APAC is 3 times better than ONS

accept what? kekw

what a delusional 12 year old. When did I not accept APAC being good. They sure as hell would cream Latam that's for sure

Also I would love for Korea to have more LCQ opportunity, not Latam or Bronzil who gets so many slots and is yet to get out of groups.

Vortexy [#117]

no Latam is not competitive lmao. The region couldn't even win a single map this entire event, let alone get a win.

OMG LATAM scene is death cause they lost a qualifier for Champions, OMG.

Vortexy [#118]

accept what? kekw

what a delusional 12 year old. When did I not accept APAC being good. They sure as hell would cream Latam that's for sure

Also I would love for Korea to have more LCQ opportunity, not Latam or Bronzil who gets so many slots and is yet to get out of groups.

OMG, a guy using the "12 years old" card, when he is using at the same time "LATAM is trash cause they had a bad tournament"

Heyheyehyehyehyrhyr [#119]

OMG LATAM scene is death cause they lost a qualifier for Champions, OMG.

ikr? couldn't agree more, especially when they can't even win a single map.

Heyheyehyehyehyrhyr [#120]

OMG, a guy using the "12 years old" card, when he is using at the same time "LATAM is trash cause they had a bad tournament"

lmao hypocrite alert, as if they weren't saying the same thing about Korea KEKW

Vortexy [#116]

One team region? Yep BESIDES Korea's successes, they have no successes is basically what you're saying. A one team region he said kekw.

What's Latam then? 0 maps won in the entire event kekw. Latam no team region. Shame they even get an LCQ and more opportunity when they perform like they did this event.

If we talk about success Latam got 4th in champions while Korea was out in groups after being the most overhyped team in valorant history.

Vortexy [#122]

lmao hypocrite alert, as if they weren't saying the same thing about Korea KEKW

when I said that KR is trash due one tournament? I said that they aren't a competitive region, cause DRX is dominating the region and the only times where they lost was due an underperformance. And if you are saying it cause some people said in champions that KR was a trash region cause they didn't get out of groups then don't include me there.

Vortexy [#121]

ikr? couldn't agree more, especially when they can't even win a single map.

man was replaced with a bot that can only say one thing

LouBag [#107]

What if NA wins this tournament?

Is it still wrong?

Another question.

If C9 was in group A do you think they wouldn’t have qualified for the playoffs?

If NA wins the tournament it’s fair, but I’d rather either keep this current format or even see the slot be donated to EMEA over NA, seeing as they have a lot more high level teams

Mkin11 [#125]

man was replaced with a bot that can only say one thing

dejalo, seguir hablando con el es una perdida de tiempo, es de los que se quejan cuando critican a su region pero cuando a otras les va mal hace lo mismo, en fin, la hipocrecia

Heyheyehyehyehyrhyr [#127]

dejalo, seguir hablando con el es una perdida de tiempo, es de los que se quejan cuando critican a su region pero cuando a otras les va mal hace lo mismo, en fin, la hipocrecia

voy a admitir que le estaba siguiendo el juego porque tenia ganas de pelear, todo esto empezó porque le di la razón pero el interpreto que insulte a Corea, y bueno no me pude resistir

Mkin11 [#128]

voy a admitir que le estaba siguiendo el juego porque tenia ganas de pelear, todo esto empezó porque le di la razón pero el interpreto que insulte a Corea, y bueno no me pude resistir

XD

KoreanOverlord [#4]

yeah u dont deserve that slot

KoreanRacist.

Mkin11 [#123]

If we talk about success Latam got 4th in champions while Korea was out in groups after being the most overhyped team in valorant history.

Korea got 3rd at Reykjavik. And who hypes Korea delusional kru fanboy? Or did you misspell Brazil

xdee1234 [#110]

c9/v1/sen would outperform half of the teams at this event

C9 and V1 maybe, but SEN would’ve been hard grouped

Mkin11 [#125]

man was replaced with a bot that can only say one thing

someone can't handle the truth oof

Heyheyehyehyehyrhyr [#124]

when I said that KR is trash due one tournament? I said that they aren't a competitive region, cause DRX is dominating the region and the only times where they lost was due an underperformance. And if you are saying it cause some people said in champions that KR was a trash region cause they didn't get out of groups then don't include me there.

if they're not a competitive region, then Brazil or Latam 100% aren't

ok but how about only 1 brazil for Slot?

suzuyasay [#135]

ok but how about only 1 brazil for Slot?

1 br and 1 latam seem plenty to me, considering their performances

KoreanOverlord [#4]

yeah u dont deserve that slot

based koreanoverlord

Vortexy [#131]

Korea got 3rd at Reykjavik. And who hypes Korea delusional kru fanboy? Or did you misspell Brazil

3rd at Reyjavik! A qualifier Kewk, And who hypes Korea delusional kru fanboy? either you demonstrate the awareness of spoon or you are playing dumb? if you ask me the second but you have prove to be quite short-sighted so anything is possible.

Vortexy [#136]

1 br and 1 latam seem plenty to me, considering their performances

the only region who has the exact number of spots they deserve is emea, apart from that riot system is biased (to $$$) and messed up

Mkin11 [#138]

3rd at Reyjavik! A qualifier Kewk, And who hypes Korea delusional kru fanboy? either you demonstrate the awareness of spoon or you are playing dumb? if you ask me the second but you have prove to be quite short-sighted so anything is possible.

not a single logical response I see. Ig my point stands that Korea has performed better than this Kru joke of a team

suzuyasay [#139]

the only region who has the exact number of spots they deserve is emea, apart from that riot system is biased (to $$$) and messed up

W

KoreanOverlord [#4]

yeah u dont deserve that slot

i think na should have an extra slot cause all of these new teams took by storm like sentinels lost in the first round of vct that never has happened ever and the guard which got formed 5 months ago is going to master and optic is very inconsistent because they always either win against the best or lose against the worst seeded teams like rise and xerxia and then they come back but from their inconsistency i think that if na has an extra slot v1,c9,xset, or any young teams could out perform and give na their second Reykjavik win

not enough, I'm coming back later

As long as Brazil has LOUD, they probably only need 1 slot

so many old threads coming back up lmao.

cry is free

One slot is enough since w have loud

Mkin11 [#55]

el mayor logro de valorant BR a dia de hoy fue ganarle a un Fnatic con dos subs, agarrate a que quieras, pelo es la verdad

lul

that thread has aged badly

I think now loud is internationally proven

ALEEE LOUD ALEEEE

rdgs99 [#149]

that thread has aged badly

not at all, Brazil's 2nd best team showed they were still a step behind everyone else

Vortexy [#152]

not at all, Brazil's 2nd best team showed they were still a step behind everyone else

They have fallen down, it happens, but they are good (and will come more stronger in the next masters I hope).

RayzerGH [#153]

They have fallen down, it happens, but they are good (and will come more stronger in the next masters I hope).

Brazilian teams have fallen down so much tho across all international events, it's evident that its only Loud who are capable of stringing international victories on a consistent basis

Vortexy [#152]

not at all, Brazil's 2nd best team showed they were still a step behind everyone else

lol? how? they lost for Zeta for 1 point, zeta did pressured G2 and eliminated Team Liquid. This is just bullshit. You think your 2nd best team would do better? That was not what happened at Berlin.

Meursault [#155]

lol? how? they lost for Zeta for 1 point, zeta did pressured G2 and eliminated Team Liquid. This is just bullshit. You think your 2nd best team would do better? That was not what happened at Berlin.

Brazil has had 9 representatives in all international events
Korea has had 5

for the amount of opportunity given to Brazil, they have literally showed nothing besides Loud who won 2 games in a row

Vortexy [#156]

Brazil has had 9 representatives in all international events
Korea has had 5

for the amount of opportunity given to Brazil, they have literally showed nothing besides Loud who won 2 games in a row

Also i remember Korean teams being stomped by SEA on LCQ

Meursault [#157]

Also i remember Korean teams being stomped by SEA on LCQ

Even tho the rest of Br is pretty far behind Loud, a Br + Latam Lcq is literally just another free spot for Brazil since the rest of the Latam teams are, respectfully, so much weaker. Only good team there is Kru who couldn't even win a single map this tournament. Neither region has really had more than one competitive team at a time. Sea on the other hand, and the rest of asia for that matter, has far more teams closer in terms of competitive skill. If Brazilian and Latam seeds #2 and lower played in that Asian Lcq, all of them would have been royally clapped.

And no, Korean teams didn't get "stomped". Excluding matches where they faced each other, Korean teams in total, had 6 wins and 4 losses. Idk where this imaginary "stomp" came from.

for Masters with 12 teams:

EMEA 2 slots
NA 2 slots
SEA 2 slots
BR 1 slot
LATAM 1 slot
BR + LATAM LCQ 1 slot
KR 1 slot
JP 1 slot
JP + KR LCQ 1 slot

Masters with 16 teams:

3 EMEA
2 NA
2 SEA
2 BR
2 LATAM
2 KR
2 JP
1 for China, India or MENA

Champions with 24 teams:

straight to phase two:

1st EMEA
2nd EMEA
1st SEA
1st BR
1st LATAM
1st KR
1st JP
1st NA

play-in:

3rd EMEA
4th EMEA
2nd SEA
3rd SEA
2nd NA
2nd BR
2nd LATAM
2nd KR
2nd JP
1st MENA
1st CN
1 LCQ South America
1 LCQ APAC South
1 LCQ APAC North
1 LCQ EMEA
1 LCQ NA

maybe give 1 slot from EMEA to India

Vortexy [#152]

not at all, Brazil's 2nd best team showed they were still a step behind everyone else

"A step behind everyone else" = 1 point away to eliminate Zeta, top 4 of the tournament?. Same thing VK and VKS did last Champions. Both had real chances to win against Acend and Gambit, finalists of the tournament. VKS also was 1 point away to win against GMB. The difference between other BR teams and Loud in fact is that they don't choke.

Vortexy [#156]

Brazil has had 9 representatives in all international events
Korea has had 5

for the amount of opportunity given to Brazil, they have literally showed nothing besides Loud who won 2 games in a row

lmao seed #1 being stomped by a team that nip almost beat. you're dumb

4 br teams playing in champions and shut the fuck up

andreziN [#162]

4 br teams playing in champions and shut the fuck up

10 br teams, fuck the kr

rdgs99 [#160]

"A step behind everyone else" = 1 point away to eliminate Zeta, top 4 of the tournament?. Same thing VK and VKS did last Champions. Both had real chances to win against Acend and Gambit, finalists of the tournament. VKS also was 1 point away to win against GMB. The difference between other BR teams and Loud in fact is that they don't choke.

w

eszett [#161]

lmao seed #1 being stomped by a team that nip almost beat. you're dumb

you seem to have forgotten drx stomping zeta even worse. you're dumb. teams win and lose to teams they've beat before and lost to before, but Brazil, besides Loud with 2 wins, has been consistent in group stage exits and flops

and idk what you said had to do with what I said above, go read it again, my point still stands

andreziN [#162]

4 br teams playing in champions and shut the fuck up

lol ok

rdgs99 [#160]

"A step behind everyone else" = 1 point away to eliminate Zeta, top 4 of the tournament?. Same thing VK and VKS did last Champions. Both had real chances to win against Acend and Gambit, finalists of the tournament. VKS also was 1 point away to win against GMB. The difference between other BR teams and Loud in fact is that they don't choke.

you can state all the "omg this one team at this one specific game was sooo close to beating this team" or "omg that team was so close to beating that other team in this specific match in this specific tournament over half a year ago".
the fact is, brazil has been extremely consistent in group stage exits. you can mention all the times they had some close matche (and there were quite a lot of not so close matches as well) but the consistency of their flops is what you seem to be oblivious too. In 9 appearances, not once have they made it out of groups (besides Loud who got the free pass out of groups but credit to them they're a strong team).

andreziN [#162]

4 br teams playing in champions and shut the fuck up

zzz

Vortexy [#167]

you can state all the "omg this one team at this one specific game was sooo close to beating this team" or "omg that team was so close to beating that other team in this specific match in this specific tournament over half a year ago".
the fact is, brazil has been extremely consistent in group stage exits. you can mention all the times they had some close matche (and there were quite a lot of not so close matches as well) but the consistency of their flops is what you seem to be oblivious too. In 9 appearances, not once have they made it out of groups (besides Loud who got the free pass out of groups but credit to them they're a strong team).

When DRX is going to play?

Meursault [#169]

When DRX is going to play?

when is NIP going to play? and literally every other Brazilian team who flopped internationally?

xdee1234 [#110]

c9/v1/sen would outperform half of the teams at this event

Sentinels copium is still a thing?

akaFelipee [#94]

I'm Brazilian but, being honest, DRX is slightly better than Loud :(

Considering how DRX choked, i don't think so

its for viewership plus br plus loud is pretty good

KoreanOverlord [#4]

yeah u dont deserve that slot

quem merece é esse time de chocadeira da drx né coreia filha da puta

0 for korea please, choke region

Vortexy [#165]

you seem to have forgotten drx stomping zeta even worse. you're dumb. teams win and lose to teams they've beat before and lost to before, but Brazil, besides Loud with 2 wins, has been consistent in group stage exits and flops

and idk what you said had to do with what I said above, go read it again, my point still stands

don't forget that nip almost beat zeta at the same point that drx got stomped ^^

eszett [#176]

don't forget that nip almost beat zeta at the same point that drx got stomped ^^

nip almost beat zeta at the same point that drx got stomped? no, nip lost to zeta right after drx stomped them both

Marty [#15]

Not guaranteed either way, and during Champs lcq australs almost swept the entire br scene, they just lost on the grand final which was sad.

i honestly thought they would get the spot

Vortexy [#177]

nip almost beat zeta at the same point that drx got stomped? no, nip lost to zeta right after drx stomped them both

to get stomped by zeta LMAO

rodx3 [#2]

we literally have 1 slot the other is for latam who we beat brother

this is a nice brazil user counter
so far 107 brazilian visited this post

eszett [#179]

to get stomped by zeta LMAO

nip and literally every single Brazilian team (besides Loud with their free get by groups pass) gets stomped in groups LMAO

A Br + Latam LCQ is literally another guaranteed spot for a Brazilian team.>
bro could u shut up pls

DiegoMocu [#182]

A Br + Latam LCQ is literally another guaranteed spot for a Brazilian team.>
bro could u shut up pls

DiegoMocu fears the truth 😔 :P

Vortexy [#183]

DiegoMocu fears the truth 😔 :P

the only LATAM team people knows are KRU and LEV, and people watched 3 LEV games in their whole life. Minor regions are coming stronger, and LATAM is not an exception buddy

DiegoMocu [#184]

the only LATAM team people knows are KRU and LEV, and people watched 3 LEV games in their whole life. Minor regions are coming stronger, and LATAM is not an exception buddy

proceeds to win literally 0 maps, let alone a bo3 in the entire tournament

Vortexy [#185]

proceeds to win literally 0 maps, let alone a bo3 in the entire tournament

called it, only 3 games, I present you other 3 LEV games so you know a bit more about them

texthttps://www.vlr.gg/42185/australs-vs-havan-liberty-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-sf
texthttps://www.vlr.gg/42174/australs-vs-furia-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-opening-a
texthttps://www.vlr.gg/42175/sharks-esports-vs-australs-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-winners-a

when they stop choking at important matches (like LCQ finals) bc of pressure, they will be almost as good as KRÜ or Loud for everybody in the scene

DiegoMocu [#186]

called it, only 3 games, I present you other 3 LEV games so you know a bit more about them

texthttps://www.vlr.gg/42185/australs-vs-havan-liberty-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-sf
texthttps://www.vlr.gg/42174/australs-vs-furia-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-opening-a
texthttps://www.vlr.gg/42175/sharks-esports-vs-australs-champions-tour-south-america-last-chance-qualifier-winners-a

when they stop choking at important matches (like LCQ finals) bc of pressure, they will be almost as good as KRÜ or Loud for everybody in the scene

tf is this? I'm talking about the region competing at Reykjavik. The Latam region (represented by Kru who is the strongest team from there) got literally 0 maps in the entire tourney.

moonisnotcool [#142]

i think na should have an extra slot cause all of these new teams took by storm like sentinels lost in the first round of vct that never has happened ever and the guard which got formed 5 months ago is going to master and optic is very inconsistent because they always either win against the best or lose against the worst seeded teams like rise and xerxia and then they come back but from their inconsistency i think that if na has an extra slot v1,c9,xset, or any young teams could out perform and give na their second Reykjavik win

I hope this is sarcasm

Vortexy [#187]

tf is this? I'm talking about the region competing at Reykjavik. The Latam region (represented by Kru who is the strongest team from there) got literally 0 maps in the entire tourney.

Oh ok, thought we were talking about leviatan xd.
KRÜ wasn't in their best moment at Masters, but... you rlly gonna judge KRÜ for not getting a map against LIQUID AND OPTIC? holy fuck

DiegoMocu [#189]

Oh ok, thought we were talking about leviatan xd.
KRÜ wasn't in their best moment at Masters, but... you rlly gonna judge KRÜ for not getting a map against LIQUID AND OPTIC? holy fuck

They got absolutely crushed. The couldn't win a single map. They literally had only one competitive map the whole tourney, getting convincingly defeated in every other map. Pretty unacceptable regardless of who you're facing. TL wasn't even performing well, they got knocked out immediately by Loud and Zeta.

Vortexy [#190]

They got absolutely crushed. The couldn't win a single map. They literally had only one competitive map the whole tourney, getting convincingly defeated in every other map. Pretty unacceptable regardless of who you're facing. TL wasn't even performing well, they got knocked out immediately by Loud and Zeta.

Lol dude they literally had the hardest group and we can't forget their champions run last year
Drx got small regions against them u rly can't compare

Zephyros [#191]

Lol dude they literally had the hardest group and we can't forget their champions run last year
Drx got small regions against them u rly can't compare

Brazil small region, Sea small region, Na small region?
so now what, Emea is the only big region and every other region is small?

Also Drx did face teams like Optic as well. Only difference is that Kru got absolutely annihilated against them while Drx and Optic were neck and neck (drx even won more rounds).

"Drx got small regions against them u rly can't compare"
this logic makes literally no sense

Vortexy [#10]

a Br + Latam LCQ is basically a guarantee for Brazil. Just look back through all the Br and Latam LCQ's. They have been swept by Brazil each and every time.

as an avid LATAM viewer i think you are right :(
I would completely eliminate LATAM/BR LCQ slot and give that slot to a LCQ between JP and KR

Vortexy [#26]

Kru has already bombed out of groups, not being able to win a single map. That is the most relevant statistic you should look at. Anyone can go back and refer to some event where one team had a nice run or something.

By your logic...
One year ago Korea got 3rd at Reykjavik (even better than a tied 3-4th place finish which Kru got).
Japan has actually made it out of groups and has beat Brazil several times, unlike Brazil who haven't even made it out of groups ONCE despite having 8 teams at 4 events (excluding Loud who were handed a free pass out of groups on a silver platter).

According to that, why should Latam and Brazil get additional spots and not KR and JP?

based take

avepalto [#193]

as an avid LATAM viewer i think you are right :(
I would completely eliminate LATAM/BR LCQ slot and give that slot to a LCQ between JP and KR

no sad emoticons <3
Latam teams will steadily improve to the point they can challenge for more than 1 international spot in the near future :)

avepalto [#194]

based take

:D

Vortexy [#190]

They got absolutely crushed. The couldn't win a single map. They literally had only one competitive map the whole tourney, getting convincingly defeated in every other map. Pretty unacceptable regardless of who you're facing. TL wasn't even performing well, they got knocked out immediately by Loud and Zeta.

Liquid performed like a champs contender in groups, not trolling with comps and macros (like their games in haven with double initiator w/o Sova, or Jett+Neon in fracture). KRÜ played bad this Masters and that is recognizable, but you can't say they played bad because "they dropped every map", it's bad to analize them by generalized results. And it's even worse to ignore their entire last year achievements (and their matches on the LAS split this year) so you can say they are shit because of... losing two matches against tier 1 teams?

DiegoMocu [#197]

Liquid performed like a champs contender in groups, not trolling with comps and macros (like their games in haven with double initiator w/o Sova, or Jett+Neon in fracture). KRÜ played bad this Masters and that is recognizable, but you can't say they played bad because "they dropped every map", it's bad to analize them by generalized results. And it's even worse to ignore their entire last year achievements (and their matches on the LAS split this year) so you can say they are shit because of... losing two matches against tier 1 teams?

it's not a "generalized result'
on the contrary, it's a very specific analysis, idk what you're smoking by saying that's a vague thing to look at, the amount of maps they win and by how many rounds they win/lose maps by

last year's achievements? the word fluke exists for a reason. They achieved nothing both before and after champs. Even if it wasn't a fluke, this last LAN event is the most relevant piece of information to look at. Anyone can look at some team and reference a few good wins they had over some other teams sometime in the past.

1slot for all south america

1 slot latam, 1 slot brazil and 1 slot latam and brazil (top 4 champions and top 3 masters)

Yugure [#159]

for Masters with 12 teams:

EMEA 2 slots
NA 2 slots
SEA 2 slots
BR 1 slot
LATAM 1 slot
BR + LATAM LCQ 1 slot
KR 1 slot
JP 1 slot
JP + KR LCQ 1 slot

Masters with 16 teams:

3 EMEA
2 NA
2 SEA
2 BR
2 LATAM
2 KR
2 JP
1 for China, India or MENA

Champions with 24 teams:

straight to phase two:

1st EMEA
2nd EMEA
1st SEA
1st BR
1st LATAM
1st KR
1st JP
1st NA

play-in:

3rd EMEA
4th EMEA
2nd SEA
3rd SEA
2nd NA
2nd BR
2nd LATAM
2nd KR
2nd JP
1st MENA
1st CN
1 LCQ South America
1 LCQ APAC South
1 LCQ APAC North
1 LCQ EMEA
1 LCQ NA

maybe give 1 slot from EMEA to India

No way you give another slot to Japan before NA. NA has at least 4 top competitive teams (Optic, TGRD, C9, and V1), Japan has 2 at best (Zeta + CR). That being said, although Zeta were able to improve incredibly and I'm super excited for their run, that doesn't mean CR will also be a lot better. Also a China/India/MENA team would need to be tier 1 first, and none of them are yet.

sentiu

juliaoxd [#200]

1 slot latam, 1 slot brazil and 1 slot latam and brazil (top 4 champions and top 3 masters)

Top 1 masters*

Vortexy [#198]

it's not a "generalized result'
on the contrary, it's a very specific analysis, idk what you're smoking by saying that's a vague thing to look at, the amount of maps they win and by how many rounds they win/lose maps by

last year's achievements? the word fluke exists for a reason. They achieved nothing both before and after champs. Even if it wasn't a fluke, this last LAN event is the most relevant piece of information to look at. Anyone can look at some team and reference a few good wins they had over some other teams sometime in the past.

"how many rounds they win/lose maps by" they lost a map after 3 OT cycles and a 13-10 against a top 4 Masters team (and possibly top 1/2).
And ignoring the fact that talking about "fluke" is a bit disrespectful, you can't call fluke to their amazing run, which was bc they played very well, and not bc the enemies trolled (Fnatic were at their best point at Champs, and GMB were incredible as usual, besides that Furia and Sentinels were not the worst teams of the tournament as well).
And responding the "Anyone can look at some team and reference a few good wins they had over some other teams sometime in the past" statement... anyone can look at some team and reference a few bad loses a well xD

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DiegoMocu [#204]

"how many rounds they win/lose maps by" they lost a map after 3 OT cycles and a 13-10 against a top 4 Masters team (and possibly top 1/2).
And ignoring the fact that talking about "fluke" is a bit disrespectful, you can't call fluke to their amazing run, which was bc they played very well, and not bc the enemies trolled (Fnatic were at their best point at Champs, and GMB were incredible as usual, besides that Furia and Sentinels were not the worst teams of the tournament as well).
And responding the "Anyone can look at some team and reference a few good wins they had over some other teams sometime in the past" statement... anyone can look at some team and reference a few bad loses a well xD