NA vs EU | VLR.gg

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For me it looks like best NA Team is equal to best EU Team

SEN just slightly better / SEN 51%, FNATIC 49%

NA vs EU discussions are kinda childish

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If it was close fnatic would win a map

Sentinels too good

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All Games between those 2 are very close but SEN somehow never lost full control of this Games

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The last 2 maps Bind And Split were SEN 2 worse maps. FNC strongest map is bind and are strong on split.

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since when fnatic is strong on split .

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deva

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Split is FNC's permaban dude, they were really bad on it.

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Same as SEN.

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fnc ran triple duelist on split kek

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Actually such a stupid take, 13-11, 13-10, then first 2 maps of grand finals go to OT. Pretty close, dude

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Yeah but SEN still isnt dropping maps, they just don't win by a ton when its a challenge. I think if FNC was better, SEN would just match and the scoreline wouldn't change, hence gap.

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Great, maybe Riot will finally give double bracket formats to EU tournaments so that flukers like Liquid don't go through next time

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u know that wont happen sadly

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sad for gambit and acend

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wdym flukers they beat oxg 13 0 13 3, won against fpx only were a bit close against BBL

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Glycoroldas

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Yeah and FPX had no chance to go for a rematch, because with that loss they simply got knocked out of the tournament completely. + in EU qualifiers for EMEA tournament Liquid knocked out BDS/opportunists in very close games too.

That's what I mean by lack of double bracket format, liquid only had to win once against those particular teams to go through all the way representing EMEA. Sentinels also wouldn't be here if it wasn't for loser's bracket in NA as they had lost to BBG in some NA qualifier.

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still wasnt a fluke, 13 0, 13 3 oxg, 13 5 13 7 fpx, won finals, won high agaisnt bbl, only close game was agaisnt bds on bind. everything else was not close. so stop being salty

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SEN are 4-0 against fnatic... if it were close they would win one

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I'm a SEN fan but that's not true. Imagine two runners where one consistently beats the other by 20 miliseconds. It's close but one is still consistently better. Hope that clears it up.

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I think that what he was trying to say, the consistency of winning these "close matches" against FNC. Making them the better team.

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I think fnc were just lacking experience. when you had 5 csgo players who all had LAN experience you have an advantage in closing games out. Obviously the whole sub was ranting on tenz being shit on LAN, forgetting almost all of the fnc players didn't have that experience.

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SEN is only 2 CS players, one of which is known to choke on lan right? and none of them were all that great?

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? shahzam cs, sick cs, tenz cs, dapr cs, only zombs was ow/apex. tenz was an up and coming prospect, dapr + sick were playing on good teams until april 2020, only shahz was "washed" among the csgo players. they all had at least 50k-100k + won in cs, compare that to the liquid brits who won at most 10k. Contrary to popular belief, the reason why eu is behind NA rn is because they are lacking csgo fundamentals on a macro and micro level (they play slow because all of them look up to their regions best historical csgo team and for eu thats astralis). tailored, the former tsm coach, gave some good insights into this on the icebox vod: he notes that the default could be improved, that they aren't swapping it up enough, and some micro positioning issues.

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guess im the 2head

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i mean na teams are not even close to winning vs sentinels going to two overtimes vs them is better than average by Na standarts, like u go and see their last few games and its either 5-13 or 13-5 vs NA teams

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COPE

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PrTsty

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wdym they can study na teams much harder. they had a close match agaisnt 100thieves but that says nothing lol

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This NA vs EU shit is pointless. Everyone knows EU as a whole region is way better then NA. The whole NA scene in Val consists of top CS players meanwhile EU's no namers still able to compete with NA's best lol

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imagine claiming your region is the best while getting smacked on LAN

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Regardless, SENs undefeated all-tourney, idk if you can call that competing. And a bunch of their players are OW and washed CS players, not NA CS stars.

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Sentinels are just the best team by far right now, and I fully expect them to dominate this year. However, once EU CS:GO players begin to switch to Valorant and the new EU talent begins to flourish, NA is just going to get dominated (like in every other game).

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Once a danish team gets established na will get rekt

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once- after- when- why can't people talk about now though?

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Posh1G

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I'll be waiting. rn SENZ SUPREME.

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JvR

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its always the same excuse, "yeah we lost in this game but in other games we're better" ok congrats this is not those games. Just take your L

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copium

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Glycoroldas

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Time to finalize this roster shuffle and cu @ berlin

Hopefully Riot will finally enforce double bracket format in all EU closed qualifiers so that the truly best teams can represent EMEA region in future international LANs

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Sen 5-0 FNC... Sure all the maps were close but still Fnatic never took 1 map in a BO3 and BO5 series so Sen is clearly the better team and just the best in the world

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EU>NA

WHY NA SO QUIET?

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3-0 fnatic?

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EU>NA

WHY NA SO QUIET?

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brush your teeth you smelly European Neanderthal

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https://www.orchardscottsdental.com/10-countries-whose-citizens-have-healthy-teeth/

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biased sources

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Cope

#38

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NA can't even afford basic medical services without going bankrupt and shooting themselves how could they afford decent dental care LMAO

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SO MADD!!!!!!!!

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SNwy

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TRUE HAHAHA

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JvR

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wtf you guys are so fucking weird, i understand the EU vs NA banter but personal digs and shit is just uncalled for an immature

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SNwy

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I did you dirty school shooter. Go take a shower you school shooter

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Beatricio

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Would be fine if we could get rid of trashtalker from both side, but if we forget about it I'm glad NA has a strong scene like that, the rivalry is gonna be very interessting

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SNwy

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NA WHY SO QUIET?

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EU>NA

WHY NA SO QUIET?

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who won?

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kekw