S1Mon discussion (IMPORTANT INFO)

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Koreymi

It seems for now the news has settled so here we go
(For TLDR Read number 5, 12, 14):

Muggle said this during EDG champs run: “S1mon deserves a lot of credit, because he is someone who, when he first joined, before throwing every utility he would comm it to you, like he said, he’d keep flashing his teammates, but that actually, makes the team deliberately wait for the utility, or in other words, if you ignore my comm, you will get flashed and after that feedback happens enough, everyone naturally knows that at this moment they need to wait for utility before pushing out”
EDG win champs
EDG struggle in bangkok and stage 1
S1Mon is then randomly subbed out of EDG for Jieni7
S1Mon starts shit talking (through implications) EDG saying that the team environment is so toxic, that they threw him under the bus blaming him, that they exclude him from everything, leaking wechat messages to fans
S1Mon fans start question EDG and flame the players and especially the coaches
S1Mon then doesnt go to the VCT Arena and dodges all promotional content regarding EDG
Aqua (EDG Manager), does a live stream addressing the situation and says that S1Mon made this decision, and that he is still officially the 6th man of EDG, he continues on saying that Jieni will replace s1mon uptill toronto because S1Mon is not working hard, while the jieni is out there hard grinding.
Jieni (who I can back up as a hard worker, and supported by many popular streamers), was a duelist main but is praccing as other roles in order to help the team (which is what s1mon actually did for EDG intially, but he doesnt seem to want to do that anymore)
S1Mon then goes and messages EDG managment, throwing the rest of EDG under the bus (especially calling out smoggy and nobody) saying they dont practice aim that much but its okay for them? But not okay for me? (These messages will be brought up again)
Kangkang, smoggy and chichoo throughout the whole thing is defending or in agreeance with Aqua, and said that they prefered playing with Jieni (nobody was sleeping)
EDG players then release full statements about the situation (TLDR: S1Mon is consistely fooling around in practice (on his phone), asking what he should do, being lost, not comming at all, not interacting with the team unless being asked to)
S1Mon fans start doxxing Smoggy
S1Mon goes on stream, defending himself, and pulls out all the wechat messages (confirming the wechat messages by aqua to be true) basically blaming smoggy again for doing the same lack of practice and that its unfair (conversations about proofs and camera pop up, and its pretty much confirmed that s1mon will leave EDG by toronto and either go back to taiwan or a different team)
Haodong says that EDG must adjust their mental, and that he still wants to go to toronto with his brothers, saying what is there to explode about? That he has been with his 4 brothers for a long time without upsetting them
TYL Sword9 (prev EDG sub) shows supporting for kangkang and says that if you are with the core 4 of EDG you are really blessed with an opportunity, why waste it?
BLG Whzy says that besides fighting with nobody (as a joke) all the EDG players are super chill and havent done anything wrong
Danking says that EDG are all fellow world champions, there shouldnt be a reason to fight like this online
Zmjjkk Aurafarms by saying that he wants to win even if he quits in a few years, he wants to stop the hate coming his way and enjoy his time
EDG has made an offical statement about the doxxing of players and is now taking legal actions (Smoggy also asked for people not to knock at his door apologising) and put out a bounty for anyone to catch the person for cash reward
Whole chat with aqua and s1mon got leaked, basically saying: "You did not practice" "ah but I did" "I told you to go practice x" "nuh uh" "I did practice x" "I looked at the footage buddy, u didnt "reply to me" "I did" "you didnt"

Overview: The general consensus is that all the past chinese pros and coaches who have interacted and worked with EDG said there has been 0 problems and the fact EDG members are being this serious means something very irregular (implying S1Mon is at fault), S1Mon from what I see doesnt really have anyone backing him besides small percentage of fans, no big names.

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Galactc

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Maybe got cocky or something since there was a lot of winning and zero losing since it's edg

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Koreymi

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Yeah must be a mentality change and got laxed after champs; then when they started losing he gave up

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i dont think muggle lied for s1mon, but it seems like both s1mon and EDG got different ideas now

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Koreymi

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Yeah I hope S1Mon is a decent player and can fix himself for a better future this is sad to see

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No matter how problematic he is, I don't understand all the other EDG players, and clubs, attacking him publicly. I don't know the intention to tarnish him. I can understand releasing him because he has a problem, but I can't understand attacking him publicly.

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s1mon leaked the chats and it got to the point where his fans attacked the edg players and coaching staff. they didn’t want to do this but they had to make a public statement so it stops spiraling out of control

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mimosa1

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it was because s1mon was talking about them on stream and fans were attacking edg bc of that

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did he not start throwing them under the bus first tho?

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Koreymi

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Because he attacked them publicaly and fans were hating on the coaching staff and players. You take this very seriously in asia, fans are crazy and might end up doing crazy things

EDG are just defending their own rep

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CczP1

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Yes, EDG clubs and EDG players ended the problem by attacking him publicly instead of solving the problem with s1mon. This is the worst thing for EDG reputation.

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and fuck the org? he provoked the org and the players publicly, did you really expect no one to respond publicly either?

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catNmouse

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Don’t you think they tried that already?

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Yeah, edg should not have done this publicly. But, yet again, it is china so……. (Plus we still don’t know much bts, lots of things are still private)

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Things went out of control the moment Simon decided to stream and leak the stuff. Edg probably tried to control it before that. After Simon live stream incident if edg stayed quiet they would suffer a lot. It's just Chinese internet. It's too toxic.

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Koreymi

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They did try that... its why they benched him and all this came out only later... they tried to help him but he just got mad and talked about it online

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the club could have end this shit properly and silently, they chose the most ridiculous way to open it. Now all the world will laugh at them.

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ithur

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most of the people I see are supporting the core of EDG in this conflict, even the fangirls

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zhongZHI

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why if one guy is airing shit why let him off. air his shit too. u cant expect the org just to let someone smear their image

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potatosakamoto

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It's china what do you expect?

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Koreymi

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Yes chinese fans are way too toxic, look at what they did to smoggy already!! You need to expose online so they dont attack you

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context?

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Koreymi

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You should be able to find it pretty quickly but I can give you it if you struggle

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aspassonjiezounb

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https://www.vlr.gg/473529/nobody-cares-s0mon

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aspassonjiezounb

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all four others blame on him on chinese twitter

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I posted all context so far btw

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its a very complicated situation... i sincerely believe what kangkang said. for me, s1mon k1lled himself with so much stardom, but i also think that all of this could have been resolved with good medical and psychological support, hes "only" 20 AND won everything for the club not used to losing

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Koreymi

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But edg has a lot of those already, hope he can sort it out with them, otherwise his future in esports is looking grim

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dobaridoyo

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agree

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OMG
The die-hard fans of S1mon doxxed Smoggy, accusing and coercing them into apologizing on social media platforms to avoid further cyberbullying
The last bit possibility of peace now flew away

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aspassonjiezounb

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朋友圈开始开户了，真他妈逆天啊

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Kinuhata0406

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太他妈变态了兄弟，xmx做到这个份上了还不管粉丝，还敢在粉丝群接着散播记录，感觉不只是职业生涯问题了，处理不得当直播生涯都是要糟糕的

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啊？你在14级的守护群里面吗？他还在群里哄不明事理的结晶吗？正常人都看得明白是什么情况吧

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Koreymi

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This is very common in china I am not suprised at all

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Skyns

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the parasocial fans need to chill out a bit

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aspassonjiezounb

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exactly

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Koreymi

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Yep yep for sure, but they never do its happened in league scene forever

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Koreymi

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S1Mon is on stream defending himself right now, hope its something positive

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Koreymi

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Nah its the same shit, he showed a lot of messages from wechat, and its pretty much confirmed that s1mon will leave EDG soon

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It’s definitely a change in personality,

He has always looked weak mentally, and after some rough starts to EDG he seems to have gotten a bigger ego and confusion in EDG

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Koreymi

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Thats what im leaning towards too whole thing is a mess

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I hope bro learns a lesson and we see an evolution of s1mon

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based on all the quotes, it looks like problems started post champs during kickoff. so likely there was a change in behavior. maybe the pressure got to him or he got burned out who knows

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Koreymi

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Im gonna start making constant updates of the situation in this thread

#41

Koreymi

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Does this work for you all or is formatting bad?

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copiumprxfan

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Nah this is great bro

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Koreymi

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Thank you 🙂‍↕️

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catNmouse

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can understand it clearly!

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Koreymi

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Great 👍

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everything is great, Koko, thanks!

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Koreymi

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Thanks for the support 🫡

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NerfMaxima

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Your thread was helpful for me g

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News bump

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Koreymi

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Im gonna go sleep as its 2 am in china and I HOPE there is no more news announced at this time. I will be busy at work tommorow but I will try to keep up to date !

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Good night 💤 awesome thread

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Ullyr

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Big crash out

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Koreymi

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Ahhhhh I said Id sleep but I found a full chat leak

https://weibo.com/5625254784/5155446785836206

If I have time I will translate it tmrw I really need to sleep now or I get fired

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NerfMaxima

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Dawg go get some sleep if you havent already, this isnt worth it

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Koreymi

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Haodong statement news bump

(I cant fall asleep help!!!!)

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NerfMaxima

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Wtf happened while I was gone.

On the otherside of the coin nova look good 🤫

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allat + champs curse

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Oh shit yea... champs curse

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Add this when you wake up:
Old EDG sub, sword9, shows support for kangkang https://weibo.com/7001424998/5155506160664767

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NerfMaxima

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Sword9 again prasing edgs core 4
https://weibo.com/6822793633/5155450971231217

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NerfMaxima

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Also probably add that EDG put out a bounty on the s1mon fan who doxx smoggy

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KK aura farming even in situations like this. truly my goat

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Exactly bro put out 2 banger quotes throughout the drama

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NerfMaxima

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https://weibo.com/5679399630/5155484702082817

S1Mons full wechat convo with aqua is leaked!!! I cant translate it but maybe you can

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S1mon:
Did I not practice the agents the coach wanted?
Bro
Didnt __ not practice too?
Didn't ___ not practice too?
You said __ never learned utility properly.
Didn't I study and train for utility too?
Bro
So what you mean is...
They don't need to practice other things....
But I have to?
I have to be like a flex player.
Right, bro?
Just for utility skills
You think my utility isn't good enough so I need to practice.
But their utility is fine, so they don't need to practice.
Ok then.
You teach them to play utility too.
Let me see if they actually have support skills or utility knowledge.
Is that okay, bro?
Let me take a look.
All I can say is it really does look like that, and I really am a substitute. You're afraid they won't play well, so you're pushing all the substitute responsibilities onto me is that right, bro?
You tell me.
Have you ever seriously talked to me about it?
When?
What exactly did you talk to me about?
Last time you said you'd talk to me...
Was supposed to be after match with __
You asked me 'Do you know why you were subbed out that time?'
What did you say to me that time?

Aqua:
I was afraid of what you would do after we talked.
Bro.

s1mon:
Me not practicing agents counts as attitude issues?
Not practicing is considered attitude issue?
During my break, what exactly did you talk to me about?

Aqua:
During scrims, you were holding your phone either chatting with friends or watching other stuff.

s1mon:
You're saying I was on my phone during scrims?

Aqua:
I told you to watch their scrims what did you do?
Weren't you just holding your phone the whole time?

s1mon:
That's something that happened later what about the things that happened earlier?
Also,
You never even told me to watch the scrims.
Absolutely never.
Right now I'm asking about...
What happened earlier.
Alright.
Finish what you want to say to me.

Aqua:
After the coach snapped out of it he told you to practice Yoru and you said you didn't feel like locking it in quickly

s1mon:
Wasn't it just asking me why I played like that in the match vs ____?
Didn't I answer?
Didn't I play my role?

Aqua:
It feels like now when I tell you to watch scrims, you act like I never told you before.

s1mon:
You really didn't say.
I'm the one asking you.
Didn't I say it?
Didn't I play my assigned role?

Aqua:
I'm getting my daughter ready for school first.

s1mon:
?

Aqua:
I'll talk to you in a bit.

s1mon:
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I wasn't lying about Yoru. Do I need to send you screenshots of me playing Yoru?
If you told me to watch scrims, would I dare not watch?
You think I'm just sitting there on my phone every day watching nothing?
Do you think I'm faking it? Would I dare go against you?
(screenshot of s1mon playing yoru)
Are these 27 games fake?
There's still the most important problem.
It's about the timing.
What do I mean?
During this period, when you were doing what you said with the tournament broadcast....
You were afraid they'd have some issues
So you prepared me the most (as backup)
Please reply to me one by one, bro
And during this time, don't reply while multitasking
Answer me slowly, one by one
You're really annoying, bro

Aqua:
Come on, I'm done with my stuff now.

s1mon:
go ahead and respond.
to what I said above.

Aqua:

That time after you were demoted, I call you out for a one-on-one chat. Didn't I tell you to seriously put in effort during scrims, communicate more with the coaches, and practice more agents?
Don't tell me I didn't.

s1mon:
You didn't.
You absolutely didn't say it.
No.
Did you ever say I was ruining your plans?
Practice agents? I practiced for you.
Didn't I?
And now you're saying this?

Aqua:
In the end, when the manager told you to come back and practice Yoru for scrims, did you practice?

s1mon:
How was what you talked to him about any different from what you said to me before?
He didn't tell me to practice back then.
?
What are you doing?

Aqua:
In the first scrim, we told you to use Yoru and you said you hadn't practiced him.

s1mon:
You guys only told me to practice it later.

Aqua:
Are you saying the manager lied to me?

s1mon:
What else could it be?
At that time,
I even asked him,
Why not let me try (play it)?
He said I couldnt play it anymore.
It was only changed later.
Only later did he tell me
To practice it.

Aqua:
During their scrims and reviews, you didn't even talk with your teammates in voice chat.
Do I really need to tell you to have motivation and drive?
Is just being on the roster meaningful to you?

s1mon:
They didn't include me during their reviews.

Aqua:
Didn't we tell you to go with them for the match? But you were at the base playing other games?

s1mon:
I didn't play other games.

Aqua:
Don't tell me you didn't.

s1mon:
I was practicing.
I really didnt.

Aqua:
I've been watching through the cameras.

s1mon:
That was just today.
You already put me in this position.
If you weren't sure, you just assumed and accused me?
Did I do that on other days?

Aqua:
Don't try to argue with me.
The first time you didn't lock in (the agent), you were already playing (other games).

s1mon:
6 - sarcastic wow or amazing
If I play (a game), will I die?
Will I die?
If I play during break time will I die?
Okay, bro?

Aqua:
No need (to argue), I've watched the surveillance footage.

s1mon:
666 - (same as previous occurrences btw nothing new lol)
It wasn't necessary at all
At that time, I was just watching the match with my friend.
Does that mean I was playing games?
Bro
I was watching you guys play the match, bro
I was just practicing.
I was playing Sage.
I told you, and you still used it.
You took Sage.

Aqua:
Wait for _____ (assuming Jieni sorry i am not native speaker) to come back from vacation and compete for a spot, I don't want to force anything either. If you want to request leave and go home, that's fine too. After the first stage ends, I'll register you for transfer.
If you want to stay and just watch scrims/live broadcasts, that's fine too.

s1mon:
So you're not responding to me?
Anything else?
That's it?
Alright, bro.

Aqua:
What do you need me to reply to?

s1mon:
Reply to what corresponds to what.

Aqua:
Mhm, one by one.

s1mon:
You messed up and don't need to reply.
Every single message.
It's all stuff you said publicly on stream.
Explain.
Bro.

Aqua:
If you have doubts about the rules/requirements,
Are you said I made them up out of nowhere?
I've already saved you face (give you respect)

s1mon:
Every single one.
Everything I asked.
Embarrased me again, huh?
Thanks, really, thanks bro.
Answer everything I asked you.

Aqua:
Which one did I not reply to?

s1mon:
Mhm okay.
Then I have to ask does this count as your standard?
What standard are you talking about exactly?

Aqua:
Let me tell you again, after finishing the match, the manager told you to watch more games. Did you do that?
You were told to watch more games, did you watch?
Did you remember the stuff from scrims?

s1mon:
I watched it did I say I didn't understand?
I remembered it.

Aqua:
You couldn't remember it, right?

s1mon:
Yeah.
Then let me ask you.
Did everyone else remember it?

Aqua:
Then what's the problem?

s1mon:
666
Others have done it too.
I've done it too.
So I deserve to be punished?
Is that right, bro?
I'm the one taking the blame for the match.
And then you say I didn't play, I didn't practice?
Is that right, b ro?
Isn't duelist utility practice just that?
Wasn't I practicing utility and duelists, bro?
Yeah, I'm really such a big joke to you, bro.

Aqua:
How long have you even been playing?

s1mon:
I understand you guys now.
What does 'how long have I've been playing' even mean?

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Aqua:
I'm saying I have no problem with you as a person.
Just discussing the matter objectively.

s1mon:
So that's why you exposed me?

Aqua:
It's just unprofessional.

s1mon:
And the others are professional?
(players names) bro
He's professional?
Is that so?

Aqua:
You're pretty happy replying to fans DMs every day, huh?

s1mon:
Go ahead and say it.
What exactly counts as professional?
Didn't I reply?
I explained things to them.

Aqua:
Their scrims are played like real matches. Every time before a match, they treat scrims seriously like a real game.

s1mon:
Let them do whatever then.
Even that's not okay, bro?

Aqua:
Are you the same type of player as him?

s1mon:
I get it now.

Aqua:
Don't argue with me.

s1mon:
Are you saying I wasn't watching in my room?
Oh right, you're never wrong.
Now it's suddenly different again.
Everything has to be done your way.
Seriously.
Only you think that.
My opinion doesn't matter, huh?
What I think isn't allowed.
Everything has to go according to your opinion.
Bro, does it really matter?

Aqua:
All I can say to you is, if you want to play professionally, you need to work hard. After the first stage ends, I'll help you find a new team. But if you really think all the problems are always someone else's fault, then you can go ahead and keep thinking that.

s1mon:
Then talk to me properly I've explained everything to you with reason and evidence.
Are you just going off what others said? And about what you said me playing games?
Show me the evidence then.
I'm not saying I have no issues.
Let's discuss the matter as it is.
Everything you've mentioned haven't I responded with clear reasoning?
Are you talking about those times I was looking at the computer?

Aqua:
If everything with the second team/backup is stable and ready, we'll give you a chance to play next week.

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If I play (a game), will I die?
Will I die?
If I play during break time will I die?
Okay, bro?>

this says if I did play a game, my mom is dead

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bro what😭

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ye that's what simon actually typed. it's like swearing on his mother's life

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ohh I see alright

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WOW YOU DID SUCH A GREAT JOB 👍👍👍 I APPAULD YOU FOR THE HARD WORK

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帅，烤肉神，帅

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I have to be like a ~~Japanese player.~~>

*flex player

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TY sry for mistakes

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Dont see any news right now but will report if anything pops up for you to put on this thread

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The chinese fans know ball too

https://imgur.com/a/An2HdNd

Get slowly on this squad

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Frr slowly is goated

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all of this drama going on and my goat nobody is just sleeping thru it 😭

he just like me fr 🔥

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Nobody is known as a super super chill silly guy who doesnt yell at anybody (except whzy - running joke between them) so getting him to say something serious is an acomplishment in itself

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I could honestly tell just from watching him in vct, I still remember when he ran it down as skye on fracture to make a point to the rest of his team who were too scared to take fights. He probably has such a good effect on the mental of the team

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Whzy defennding nobody and zmjjkk

https://weibo.com/2647887797/5155491601976520

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Just checked jieni doesnt even have a public weibo account to defend himself, he is the real loser in all this... flamed by unkown fans for just being on the team, expected to perform and make edg that top 3 team itw, and all that is for his rookie tier 1 performance. Life of an esports pro is pretty rough ngl

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kinda crazy how the player who is known for his amazing util support is the one slacking off

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Yeah, become world champ and lost the drive or smthjng

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The aurafarming is so real, KK is just the sun jinwoo of valorant

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"How many players regret their life at age 20" kangkang needs to calm down bro...

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As an OG EDG fan since that lcq run, i honestly dont give a shit about simon... yes u won us the championship, good for you .. enjoy that gunbuddy but ur behavior aint it chief ... u dont wanna flex, but also cry about the team not putting u in starting roster... make up ur mind kid. Also u are calling out smoggy?? Do u have any idea how much that guy has done for this team? From duelist to initiator to smokes now, this guy is the backbone of this team and you are calling him out?? Who tf are you? Some random kid who was taught set flashes by coaches (none of those flashes were from instinct btw) , u win champs bcoz kangkang and chichoo carried ur ascendant ass and now u are calling them out? Please do a favour and get out and maybe, just maybe some tier 2 org will pick u up. Good luck !

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Real shit, idk how he got such an ego

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Speak yo facts king

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Danking leaves his comment while eating a watermelon: You are all world champions, is there a need to fight?

https://weibo.com/7319398430/5155464044351140

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Wow this thread blowed up, I will try my best to update this thread

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https://x.com/SeulgiVLR/status/1912005234764685817?t=rbiHZ1wntDpUVXMADDEoTw&s=19
more info

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CONCLUSIVE NEWS BUMP!!!

(Until new info arrives)

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I'm curiious to see what will be Simon next win, veangeance storyline are always good in esport

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I feel like even if he signed for a new team, and they beat EDG, and only one player on the team went negative, it'd be S1Mon.

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This is like almost garunteed to be true 💀 s1mon has only ever been postive while losing

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Main problem is no team really needs a s1mon rn. I think wolves is the only team that can maybe benefit with s1mon