How will Bangkok Go (Swiss Rd 1)

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Alr3adyGone

Hello ladies and gentlemen of VLR, a couple days ago I did a "how will Bangkok go" However there was only 30 minutes between rounds so that didn't give much time for every region to vote. Now that we have all 8 participants and the first round draw I will be doing the same thing with 24 HOURS in between rounds. So its up to us to keep this forum active so everyone can see it. (Unless Mods/Devs wanna pin this) So without further ado. How will Bangkok go? Swiss Round 2 will begin tmrw at 5 PM EST. Put ur thoughts and reasonings for your votes below, make fun of people you disagree with idk man just do what you can to keep the forum active so everyone gets a chance to vote.

AMER: #1 G2 Esports #2 Sentinels
EMEA: #1Team Vitality #2 Team Liquid
APAC: #1 DRX #2 T1
CN: #1 EDward Gaming #2 Trace Esports

https://strawpoll.com/X3nkPRkBLgE https://strawpoll.com/ajnE1AvLmnW https://strawpoll.com/40Zm4DXRoga https://strawpoll.com/7rnzV5XOlnO

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smh yall dont listen, just voting and not bumping

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pt 2

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Stop begging it please, anyone can make a poll and write a 500 word essay explaining it, so don't act like this is something special. It's something that most of us will forget about in a couple of hours max.

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not pretending to be special just making it so everyone get can get a chance to vote. quite literally nothing in it for me. Thanks for the bump though!

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Pt 4 (Holy shit the eagles are putting BTA)

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Comments are good for the vlr algorithm

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agreed

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crazy how almost everyone agrees so far

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its pretty late/early for people in every region but Americas so I think its just us voting so far (Im also not checking the votes until I do Swiss Rd 2 or voting myself at all)

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g2 and vit sweeping damn

trace has a chance ngl, so much prep and they got 5 maps of tape in grand final

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yea ive said before china gets a free 2 weeks of practice/vod review that every other region spent playing. Could do really well the china teams. 2 weeks of being able to change starts and comps so they cant be anti'd

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liquid had to play 600 rounds in the lower bracket run against a team that watched all of it (chichoo nats fan)

sigh bro this is the worst matchup, i genuinely would have preferred g2

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yea i mean every reigon besides cn got a 5 map grand final so there's plenty of vods to go through and watch. the team that changes strats and anti's are probably gonna do the best

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Nah liquid are good enough to do well regardless of the tape teams have on them. Unless theyre honeymooning theyre gonna be the favourites against EDG in my eyes since EDG havent looked very impressive at all

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Liquid are a very streaky team imo if they feel good, they are amazing. If they start off slow they're gonna get ran through.

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all the games post BBL theyve looked amazing, idk how you could deduce that theyre streaky when there 0 evidence to prove so

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hence streaky, they looked horrible in their first loss. went on a streak all the way until map 3 in gf then sorta started falling into a slump and lost got reverse swept.

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Liquid arent inconsistent though, they very clearly got better overtime and got over their nervousness. The reason they were so unready to go against the other tier 1 teams is because they only scrim their academy roster. They dont get play against other top tier pros.
After all those games they played and they changed their horrendous sage comps they improved massively and very definitively play in a way that isnt even measurable to what they were doing before. Even at the end of the Vitality game they didnt look nearly as bad as they did during the beginning of kickoff, it was mostly that they ran out of ideas on those maps since Vitality had a 2 map veto against Liquid. If anything its impressive they were able to anti Vitalities 2 best maps and win against them on those 2 maps

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thanks gang <3

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Im not voting but if I was here is how id vote:

VIT 2-0 T1
G2 2-1 TE
EDG 2-1 TL (I could see an upset here lowkey)
SEN 2-0 DRX (#SENWIN)

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I agree with everything but EDG, they dont look nearly good enough for them to be called favourites and for liquid to be called the upset team. Liquid played amazing on multiple maps with such an in depth strat book. I just think they arent very experienced in BO5s esp against good teams and so they werent able to keep up their form through the finals but that wont be an issue for their Bangkok run
Unless this is just a honeymoon (which i highly doubt), theyre looking much more promising than EDG

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yea i feel like edg could be upset and i wouldn't necessarily be surprised. If we get the final 3 maps of the GF from TL they lose pretty easily. RN I have EDG above simply cause of the pedigree but a TL win wouldn't be out of the question

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liquid didn’t practice lotus looking at their comp, one of their better maps abyss was also banned (lower bracket nerf) frankly speaking they did very well even if it lead to an unfortunate reverse sweep

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I mean sure thats plausible but im talking more in terms of just firepower and cohesiveness, they looked off on all the maps past map 3

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VIT 2-1 T1 (T1 has Meteor and Buzz Stax can fuck shit up so they can still take a map)
G2 2-0 TE (Trace plays old meta whereas G2 mastering new meta, no chance)
EDG 1-2 TL (EDG needs to experience more with Tejo besides just Bind and Split, Liquid looking a lot better and shooting)
DRX 2-1 SEN (SEN still struggling with roles mixups like N4rrate on smokes etc, and John isnt great on Sova and seems like Zekken majority on Yoru which is why they lost to G2, DRX is looking strong and confident and free1ng probably best Initiator in the game at the moment, also Mako is Thanos)

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EDG uses Tejo on Split, Bind and Fracture

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Fracture? When?

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i agree with everything besides role issues with sen. N4rrates omen on abyss has looked 20x better than it did in the upper final and John's sova could use some work but that's what they got 10 days for. they'll come into bangkok prepared and I don't think role issues will be as big of an issue as some might think. Yoru also just works so much better with tejo comps its not like Zekken cant play raze or jett. he's a very good jett player and one of the best raze players in the world.

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Thanks Gang <3 X2

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Even with an extra 2 weeks of practice it isn’t gonna be enough for TE to make up for the gap g2 has. 2-0 or maybe 2-1 if TE really cook on their map pick

EDG vs TL is probably gonna be the most jail-valorant match of the opening round. But EDG is possibly the most mechanically gifted team in the world. They aim diff TL 2-1

T1 vs Vitality is gonna be a team diff. 2-0 vitality

Sen vs DRX could go a lot of ways. Sen from yesterday should beat them pretty comfortably 2-1. But Sen if they decide to play like they did in the first g2 match loses 0-2. 2-1 sen.

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EDG in champs and kickoff have started slow, I feel like they could get upset lowkey. Getting a strong feeling

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been an EDG fan since east asia LCQ. They've looked incredibly strong domestically since then, but they only made it to top 4 twice in 8 tournaments. champs 24 they had the best neon in an overpowered neon meta, and a brand new map in the map pool (abyss) that a lot of teams didn't know how to play. Yes they brought in simon and changed IGLs so that could've been the move that made them click and they're just a fixture S tier team but I have a lot of doubt til I see them internationally again. For me its 50/50 that they look S tier or look like one of the weaker teams at bangkok.

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EDG went from not making the Madrid Playoffs to winning champs. Truly a 50/50 on whether we get gods amongst men or coughing babies

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Vitality have FAAAR more firepower than EDG has ever had. EDG are great but theyre very form reliant and have only ever been exceptionally good during that Champs run and even then id argue it was mostly due to their opponents not being able to match in terms of form with them

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I mean, I think edg on perfect form can match any team in terms of aim. I think vitality do aim diff them 7/10 matches but if EDG is peak form then firepower is equal. But I dont think that will matter. I don't think they'll play unless edg makes playoffs. But the tactical diff will be a bigger gap for vitality than aim imo. I'd pick vitality 2-0 or edg barely winning their map pick for 2-1 vitality still winning.

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EDG has never been in peak form aside from Champs tho, its not realistic to assume their crazy sudden uptick in performance at champs is something they will ever replicate.
But i do agree it has always been the strats that make the difference, i was just saying that when teams match them in terms of fragging, they have nothing to fall back on because their strats are very simple readable and rely heavily on good mid rounding

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Yeah I agree 100%. EDG is overhyped because of their miracle run. I need to see it again to believe it but I am not a full blown doubter til we see champs EDG or literally every other event EDG. And your point about needing to aim diff is exactly right. They won’t be able to aim diff sen/g2/vitality/maybe even drx. So I do think it’s more likely they go 1-2 or 0-2. But I also think there’s a small chance champs EDG is new EDG and they’re just crazy good now.

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I mean i definitely wouldnt rule them out considering they always play worse regionally but im just making an educated guess based on their history and how difficult it is for a team to keep up the kind of performance EDG had especially in this current util heavy meta

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id take vit rn over EDG, however if EDG stomp TL, i might take them lowkey. EDG's firepower when on form is almost unbeatable

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They have only ever been on form for 3 consecutive matches in their entire history, i think its safe to assume that they wont be reaching those levels again anytime soon and if they do it wont be a very often occurence. I think people overrate the addition of Simon cause while he is good, they werent nearly as impressive as those last 3 games at champs for the entire time he was there

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Its very up in the air for me honestly. If EDG show up, they could win the whole thing. If not, they could go out 0-2

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Yea so youre assuming them to perform like they did at champs or at the very least significantly more impressive than they were in China.
If anything I think EDG are the most likely to win it all if all of SEN DRX and VIT dont play to their usual levels cause EDG has a pretty decently high skill floor most of the time unlike the rest of those teams

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50/50 drx vs sen? makes sense

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really depends on what SEN show up, Last 2 game Sen I believe win. Upper final Sen lose 10/10 times

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TL is getting underrated

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I think if EDG are on form they should prob destroy liquid, so I dont really think they are being underrated

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EDG are known to start off events slow. EX champs and 2025 kickoff. For me it just depends on what kinda team shows up

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i haven't checked the vote but its a consensus pick that TL is #7/8 on power rankings. Idk they're kinda streaky. if they get in good form they could cook.

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why tho? cuz its not 50/50?, ofc edg is winning on votes they the current champions maybe they dont win back to back but they aint gonna lose first round imo, specially cuz they had the biggest prep time since their run finished earlier

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Thangs Gang <3 X3

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bump for the asia people

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thanks gang <3 X4

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bump again

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thanks gang <3 x5

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thanks gang <3

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bump !

DRX-SEN is currently 120-119 in SEN's favor

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thanks gang <3
damn thats close we shall see the final result in 6 hours

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Wow DRX vs SEN is very close

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im not checking until i do the next round but from what the replies are saying, it's the closest by far

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Trace is beating g2

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that would be NRG losing 4-0 to billibilli levels of upset

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thanks gang <3

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Already gone more like already goner for attention

#mvga

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fr, he's begging for it atp