That makes zero sense. Was apac a 0 team region until Shanghai? GenG at Madrid didn’t count. Paper Rex at champs 23’, paper Rex at Copenhagen. DRX as well. Doesn’t count unless you’ve won the event lmfao.
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That makes zero sense. Was apac a 0 team region until Shanghai? GenG at Madrid didn’t count. Paper Rex at champs 23’, paper Rex at Copenhagen. DRX as well. Doesn’t count unless you’ve won the event lmfao.
I like the idea I saw the other day, have the 1 seeds play tdm against each other for the order of picking opponents
So you’re assuming prx or wolves are the only teams with a chance to win? Or just that fnc or g2 have to go home 4th? Because g2 or fnc can absolutely (and imo will) make the lower bracket run and win it all. I think that’s the most likely scenario actually.
Ngl G2 mental is unmatched. It feels like they have like x10 3-9+ deficits that they’ve comeback in, in the last year.
G2 got ran over by the train like everyone else. Paper Rex is a nightmare matchup for their first game on stage. For anyone to act like g2 was suddenly weak doesn’t know ball. Any of G2, GenG, sen, and fnatic could go on a run and win it all.
What happens when a Chinese team doesn’t rely on chaos and stupid plays to catch teams off guard:
IMO they’re already in the conversation. Not many coaches/IGLs reach 2 grand finals in a row. Let alone win one of them. That and solo’s return after nuturn. The entirety of his time in Val put him up there already imo. And munchkin is definitely building a legacy already.
The only confidence I get from Swiss is it gave them stage experience and confidence. And the fact that they went 2-0 even when playing not even close to their ceiling. IMO their ceiling is as high as G2 and GenG.
A huge advantage that used to be a big talking point back when EDG first represented China at internationals was their proximity to teams in Korea and apac like prx and DRX at the time. And the amount of elite teams in that close proximity has to be, by far, the highest concentration of top teams in the world. The fact that teams like RRQ, GenG, and PRX get to scrim teams like EDG and BLG on the regular is a massive advantage. They are getting constant high quality scrims against top level tier 1 talent where they don’t really have to hide any of their good stuff. They really get tested on a level much more consistently than you can expect from EMEA or Americas scrims. This advantage of getting constant elite scrim partners is very understated and IMO plays a big part in the development of CN and PAC depth. Also getting practice against such chaotic and diverse styles gives an advantage of experience against many more play styles than you could ever get to practice against in NA for example. GenG is sweating their ass off in scrims against EDG and XLG 7 times a week meanwhile Sen is practicing against cubert 7 times a week and winning on individual skill 9/10 times.
Solution: NA/EMEA teams need to have more boot camps in other regions. Specifically in Asia, it really looks like the PRX effect is taking place region vs region-wide. It seems like every game between east and west so far (to include Sen’s wins) looks the super chaotic style overwhelms western teams. Outside of the very top teams in NA and EMEA, their playstyle is usually too vanilla to catch pacific and CN teams off guard. So, the only solution is for the west to get as much time playing pacific and Chinese teams outside of internationals as possible. Otherwise, I think the whimsical style of pacific and China beating NA/EU is going to be a consistent thing.
Mibr got shat on at ewc qualifiers for NA immediately after getting 3rd. They didn’t even qualify as the 4th seed. What happened to Americas is the playoffs. Sen sending G2 to the lower bracket doomed all other teams in the lower bracket. IMO if you could redo the playoffs in current meta NRG would have been 3rd seed for sure. Maybe 100t. But definitely not mibr
What is this take? G2 were a top team in the world before tejo. With icy as the duelist. Now because they look insane with tejo and jaws (everyone expected it). They’ll suddenly be super nerfed without tejo? Who’s to say g2 isn’t going to be leading the meta again? Everyone had access to tejo. Sorry G2 are too good at playing smart.
EMEA has been very weak outside of FNC since the end of 2022. They’ve just consistently had a very strong #1 team (FNC in 2023 and TH in 2024). Their non-1 seed has never done much, pretty sure they’ve never had 2 teams in the top 4.
Everyone had G2, GENG, And TH in the top 3 and g2 was typically not 3rd. That can be considered favorites. Multiple teams can be favorites. G2 were favorites.
And I just disagree. I think G2 will be just fine. When they’ve had to, they have done a great job speeding up, and playing into the chaos, specifically since jawgemo joined. My take is they play the slow, methodical style because they believe in valyn’s ability to outmidround their opponent and it’s a higher percentage way of playing. Which we all know their forte is maximizing the numbers. So in my opinion, their style of slow and methodical is not dependence it’s just what they think is the most reliable way to win. And if the current meta favors fast gameplay I am sure they’d be happy to do it. I just fully disagree with the take that G2 is nerfed by the changes. If anything it’s an advantage for g2 because of how good they are at reading the meta and creating new ideas that nobody else does.
“Like g2”, G2 was a favorite for champs with ICY in the old meta. Tejo/breach was used because it was optimal, not as a crutch. G2 was top 4-ish itw with icy. +jawgemo should be expected to make them arguably the best.
Sen warmed up by farming China + G2 is on another level to every team we’ve seen so far. Not sen’s fault China is free.
Realistically Sen either 2-0 or 2-1 with 2 dominant maps. BLG will barely win or barely lose their map pick and they won’t get double digits on the 2nd map and if they win their pick they also won’t get double digits on map 3.
Duelist - Zekken
Initiator - Trent
Igl/controller - valyn
Flex - n4rrate
Senti - leaf
Honestly, I just need a western win. Regional parity for the win. I won’t be able to cope anymore if apac/china win 4 in a row. Sen/g2/mibr/fnc/th are who I’m rooting for.
I’m sure it doesn’t help that probably 90%+ of EUs FPS talent worships counterstrike instead. And it’s fair to say EU is giga nerfed. Literally every Toronto team is already shafted because of the map pool change and tejo nerf. And emea has less than half the prep time (when accounting for travel, ewc etc). And TL doesn’t have their IGL/best player. Imagine Sen trying to do something at Toronto with tenz(much better player than penny) filling in for johnqt, they’d probably get grouped too. Losing your IGL and star player is like having 2 fill-ins ngl. Lowkey sad that BLG let TL win a map.
They didn’t shoot back map 1 at all. Map 2 they were very much in it despite paper Rex clearly having tons of new stuff (2 weeks+ difference in prep time). Theoretically the further along the tournament goes, the more it’ll even the playing field as everyone shows what they’ve worked on and as emea gets a more equal amount of time on the current meta. People meme about emea being shit (which btw fuck emea, I love NA). But it’s unfair when liquid literally has an NA tier 2 duelist filling in for their best player and IGL. And team heretics, only cope is the prep time tbh. But still very valid.
I have a feeling TH is doing an optic cosplay and will be very good the rest of the tournament.
TL sucks on icebox + middling tier 2 duelist filling in for their best player/igl. Honestly kinda embarrassing that a 2nd seed let them get 10 rounds given all of the odds stacked against TL.
Sliggy said keiko and kamo are helping preround and pati is midrounding
I think 1 of 2 things will happen:
The “weak” teams from the east that got through “stronger” teams to get here aka blg, wolves, xlg and rrq are actually the next gen of cracked zoomers and they’ll be insane (which is probably gonna be the case for at least one). Or
They got lucky against the “stronger” teams and they’ll have embarrassing showings because they lack the discipline and experience and kinda screwed their region by qualifying over known quantities like EDG, DRX etc.
This goes for every eastern team other than GenG imo. Every other team is a new face or a super hot and cold prx.
That’s what sucks is whoever wins will definitely deserve it and it will be a harder tournament than most masters events. But people will downplay it all because of the circumstances. I get it but kinda sucks for the players because they have no choice but to do their best. And even if they’re proud and worked as hard as they would for a masters everyone is gonna downplay it due to the people organizing the EWC.
Eastern teams winning in western locations: 0/9
Western teams winning in eastern locations: 1/4
Eastern teams winning in eastern locations: 3/4
Western teams winning in western locations: 9/9
IMO timezone seems to make more of a difference than people tend to think.
The pinnacle of CN valorant outside of EDG is BLG beating NRG in 2023 twice.
10 for the west 3 for the east. Asian teams def win for sure
Based on recent form definitely no guarantee
That’s just disingenuous. Sure the util is annoying asf but it’s something every single team has access to and many are copying from g2. It’s not like they are just cheesing with something only they have access to. Regardless they deserve their flowers for figuring out the meta, coming up with solid Strats and imo the biggest part is their team play, discipline, and calling. Plus the fact that every single one of them can pop off at any time. For whatever reason people are suddenly reverting back to what people thought of g2 last year. If anything the uber overpowered neon meta was so much more ridiculous to watch. There’s absolutely nothing you could do when neon is sliding full speed with full accuracy. Almost every meta has had some form of BS. And the best teams find a good counter. People just hate g2 because they’re disciplined instead of over-peeking and throwing like their favorite teams do.
Broke: G2 playing the objective and winning almost every round that they have man advantage in.
Woke: teams like PRX sending it. Swing that shit. Lose half the rounds with man advantage they get.
I think it’s mostly to do with the fact that Trent and leaf are clearly playing a level above what they were last year. I always felt like Trent last year was not playing as well as he can. I think he’s just playing to his potential. Same with leaf in his second season on sentinel. That plus the huge upgrade of icy to jawgemo. It’s almost like they leveled up 3 players and built more chemistry AND now they have Anderz. Definitely not like optic. Who btw, were frying before chamber too.
The only maps g2 lost in Bangkok playoffs was in the grand final. People are tripping if they think a g2 loss means anything but c9 is probably really good. Or just regular season c9 things.
G2 is too drilled for the prison Valorant c9 wins with. IMO NRG game is closer than c9 scoreline is gonna be.
Honestly really happy to see the only real latam team doing so well. +kingg -adverso and kru is the first real latam super team imo.
What I don’t really understand is why put forsaken on waylay? Sure he used to be the Jett for prx but he’s an insane flex. Let something play waylay and forsaken will have a way better initiator.
“One good game to glaze a mid NA player” it’s a player that was a perennial top 5 player in the world for multiple years. He's showing plenty of examples that he is just as good as he was then. Yeah sure it’s one game. He showed plenty during kickoff too. It’s not based on one game. It’s showing a similar form to what we saw for 2 years straight. He was insanely consistent for multiple years. On the flip side, how come a legend of the game showing glimpses of his past brilliance has so many people angry that they’re getting shut the fuck up? What’s with this seething hatred? You need your fantasy of yay being shit to be true for your happiness or what? Straight up rent free.
T1 sucks ass at abyss. They came up with a wacky comp to catch g2 off guard and maybe pull out the win. The minute they didn’t get 10 on attack it was over.
Western teams in Valorant don’t just dominate—they redefine the game with their unparalleled tactical brilliance, cutting-edge infrastructure, and a talent pool so deep it’s practically an ocean of genius, effortlessly churning out players who blend jaw-dropping creativity with lightning-fast adaptability to every meta shift. Compare that to Asian teams, who cling desperately to their stiff, outdated strategies—robotic, predictable, and frankly uninspired—shackled by a cultural obsession with conformity that suffocates any hint of originality. While Western organizations pour obscene amounts of cash into futuristic training complexes, top-tier coaching, and analytics so advanced it’s borderline sci-fi, Asian squads limp along with their rigid playbooks and stagnant mindsets, leaving them utterly exposed to the West’s relentless innovation. It’s not just superiority—it’s a masterclass in evolution, proving the West isn’t just ahead; it’s rewriting the rulebook while the East scrambles to catch up.
Why’s everybody so bothered by him complaining about the timezone? Any region it’s unfavorable for there are people complaining. And it’s 100% a mistake for the last 3 events to be Asia timezone. There’s literally 4 regions. Why not just rotate every event? Not hard. Just do China, Americas, Pacific, EMEA. arguably still more favorable for Asia because pacific and China are almost the exact same timezone and eu/na are like 8 hours apart. In 2021-22 Iceland to Berlin to Berlin to Iceland to Copenhagen to turkey was Annoying af too. Just rotate it. It’s literally the fairest thing. And to say otherwise would just be extremely egocentric the same thing you’re calling Americans for having to get up at 2 am to watch masters for the last year lmao.
Korean overlords are still on their way. Trust. Started in 2021 when nuturn went to masters Iceland, with everyone saying that nuturn were going to dominate. Fast forward to 2024 and they make their first actual grand finals appearance with Sen beating them through lowers. Then GenG win Shanghai. EDG win champs. And now we are finally able to twist results to fit our narrative. TH historically choke 2 grand finals wins and that means the EAST is taking over. Now in the big 2025, Madrid is the last event NA is winning for a while. Koreans are just harder working. NA league, I mean valorant pros don’t put the work in to compete with the 23 hour days Koreans and Chinese put in. They’re too lazy to keep up. It took 4 years but G2 is done. The west is done. T1 3-0. Oh g2 destroyed first map? No response til something happens that fits my Asian bias narrative.
I’m not talking about Chinese fans. I’m talking about the reaction of Chinese fans towards non-China fans shitting on EDG. super sensitive and defensive. That’s what happens when you lose. People will talk shit about them. But they act like it’s a hate on the whole of China when someone like myself (g2 fan) says EDG suck or something along those lines. I see way too many comments about China getting unnecessary hate. But when it’s na or emea or even apac getting eliminated there’s tons of shit talk and nobody is whining about the shit talk. Snowflake reactions honestly.
EDG lost—no surprise they’re gonna get shit on for not living up to expectations. While every team gets criticized after a loss, China faces the lightest of heat; G2, Vitality, or T1 would’ve been torched. Overreacting Chinese fans need to chill on being so sensitive about criticism. It’s not a personal attack on your “motherland”.
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