"GC is good you are just sexist"

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localkoolkid

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2291/vct-off-season-spotlight-series-2024-pacific

Bad looks ngl

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2260/vct-off-season-spotlight-series-2024-americas
Not so bad of a look ngl
But obviously GC is behind vct lol, that's part of why it exists

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Sayuri - one of the best fragging GC players - is at the bottom of the whole list. Couldve just been a bad tournament for her but when you look at all theplayers in this tournament other than the main 5 top players, they really werent all that

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2260/vct-off-season-spotlight-series-2024-americas did we even look at the other regions before making this post

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coz c9 bums are playing, put SEN / NRG in there and theyre gonna top the leaderboards

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Nobody thinks gc is on the level of vct or even tier 2, you're just strawmaning a nothingburger argument

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as a league it's not close but it's got so many players brimming with talent that tier two could really use. It really comes down to the fact that not every GC player is going to live up to the t1/t2 standard, and so the team is dragged down.

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GC is not brimming with T2 worthy lol. Most GC players get stomped by random unpaid T3 players.

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it's got so many players brimming with talent that tier two could really use

LOL
some of y'all on this site really crack me up sometimes

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other than florescent theres really no other gc player that could even come close to t3 let alone t2

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dodonut, sarah, noia, really anyone on SR, sonder, Alexy, miNt, Jelly, L4CE, scourge (was on pretty much tier one in 2021), Petra, Vania, the list goes on, Doesn’t mean they’d be fantastic in tier two but they’re def on the tiers of like Ambrosia and shit

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bobwoblob

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Literally everyone you listed has gotten gapped in T2 open quals by random unpaid T3 players lmao. Be real

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milflover92

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well yeah when the rest of your team is not up to that standard ofc thats how its gonna be. nAts is a very good player but dude gets dumpstered cause his team doesn't support his playstyle well enough. Not his fault.

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nats is still solid even on a bad team while IGL'ing against T1 teams. That's not the same as getting dumpstered against unpaid T3 pugstack players as a fully salaried team lmao

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milflover92

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yeah of course he's still not going to be the worst but he's not looking like the top 3 player he once was because the talent around him is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOGSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT (not really, but you know what i mean. It's not the gambit core holding him up anymore.)

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On that list it’s just dodonut for me. Comparing them is an insult to Ambrosia

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this the cope i need except few G2,SR,MIBR,Xipto and other top players like madv mary jolina kohaibi dodonut starbound yusin and some other players who total at 15-20 who can hold their own in T2 (probably underperform mostly)
others would be raw dogged in T2

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Pacific is the worst gc region (China gc isn’t even real after edgs split)

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someone needs to bring them back they had the best logo

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i really don’t get why people come up with threads like these purely to start shit and be a nuisance

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Tetrodotoxin

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Because some people would rather start shit rather than doing nothing when bored

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H3ENnZ

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Finally DFM is better than GC teams

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acknowledging that gc is not even close to tier 1 vct level = stating facts, not sexist
going out of ur way to shit on gc/gc players at any given opportunity = just say you hate women bro it’s not that serious

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Common dignan/sideshowsbaldhead/Oscar W

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if it wasn’t exceedingly obvious i’m talking about that bob blowjob guy who spawns in every time anything relating to gc happens
really wish he would just say the quiet part out loud and get banned i am really tired of seeing him ever

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Someone tried arguing with me that he only does it to people that are delusional/glazing yet here he is under every single thread possible, regardless if it's positive or not and not a single constructive thing was said ever, just laughable

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aside from the occasional tier 1 players he really hates (almost all of them asian hm curious) i have almost never seen him on the site except to copy and paste the same boring bullshit about being gatekept by pugstacks and gc tier 4 league like please just call them dishwashers and get banned so we don’t have to deal with ur shit anymore

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Why is this guy rent free in your head man?
holy 0_0.

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KzX

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Yes, it's me.

It has been a while since i talked about this topic.

Regarding this "bob" guy, I haven't seen anything wrong with what he said regarding GC teams (aside from the sarcarsm).

Also he doesn't to my knowledge talks exclusively about gc you can check his history.

Nothing constructive can be said regarding gc team, nothing remarkable so far have been done in the gc circuit (except flor signing which is another topic to talk about), apart from people talking about individuals who may or may not hold their own in T2.

It's all speculation with no results so far beside using the spotlight off season as a metric if gc players can hold thier own or not, which i honsetly doubt and question.

With that being said check what and to whom he replied though.

Thanks if you have read my reply, much appreciated it :).

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Tetrodotoxin

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I am always willing to discuss things, so of course I read your reply!

To go one by one;

It's a personal pet peeve when someone goes "I think this is bad" without going into ANY amount of detail as to why is something bad. In case of GC rarely do I ever see people pointing out their actual mistakes (which in comparision to the highest level of play - are noticable and can be pointed out just fine without mockery). I just know people like him go on vlr.gg, look at the stats and brush everything off outside of stats.

I am also aware he doesn't exclusively talk about GC (as I do not either), as I tend to check out people who I am replying to, but the level of comments doesn't seem to be any more articulate when talking about T1.

You can be constructive regardless of the level of play when talking about them, there's a reason coaches exist and that is their primary job within a team to point out these things so they can work on it more. That's atleast what I think should be a role of the coach. You do realize that being constructive has nothing to do with if they're good or bad? You can give thought-out feedback to any level of play.

The Spotlight tournament DID show something, albeit not a lot. Some players can hang around in these lobbies, while others got heavily bodied. Not all players are good, and also as you said, it's an off-season tournament that doesn't always show much (Pacific tournament was singlehandedly something diff). I also question it just like you do, I watched as many games as I could :)

I see who he replied to, but then again, doesn't change much. Fighting fire with fire does not achieve anything. He did not use any sort of argumentative logic to dismantle it, just went "lol they get beaten by T3". Saying that without anything else holds no value in my eyes, as I can do the same thing and say "lol Dodonut T4 GC player beat T1 players they should be kicked off of the roster".

Regardless, I am not here to change your mind and I respect the fact that even if we disagree or differently see GC and its players, you are willing to discuss it into more detail than most sceptics of the league :)

If you read all of this, thanks for considering.

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kfan4238173

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In the superior regions the gc players did good
Dodonut and vania did better than their teammates (c0m, tex, jawgemo)

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Er3ngenes1s

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2207/vct-off-season-spotlight-series-2024-emea

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kfan4238173

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Using pre nerf neon just to have same stats as gc player is crazy. Vania also did better when they lost the final

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Er3ngenes1s

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damn bro, i didnt realise players only played neon who have high stats

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Amexdxyz

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Florescent clears tier1 Duelists

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bobwoblob

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0/8

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Clears Kamo

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miniboo yes idk about others tho

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Amexdxyz

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Nah MiniBoo is better
She clears kamo

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noem

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aint no way you say that 💀

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Azzelastia

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Sure, blud clears fraudmea duelists

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Perfectly seperate 2 of them😹

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bobwoblob

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💀

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Er3ngenes1s

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u right https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2207/vct-off-season-spotlight-series-2024-emea

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GC players lack gamesense and are not at level of t1 in mechanics
macro also seem to be weaker than T2
except for some players like Eneri,alexy , mel ,Flor they cant compete in T1

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Ah, a man from India. You guys are sexist.

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localkoolkid

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I am not even from India lmao, nice one buddy

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Jezy

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SR , MIBR , and TL can swing from T3.5 to T2 level for a few matches at worst each of them gets stomped by collegiate ranked pugs and mid table t2 at best can take 2 sets in a double elimination format against t2 scene in NA/BR

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Guy who takes offseason very seriously