verno is overrated

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elysxxm

Dont get me wrong verno is good, but this glazing has to stop this guy is not top 8 riflers in americas or even top 10 in americas right now. he has never played a tier 1 game ik hes crazy but the meat riding has to stop somewhere he will become top 10 but calm down until he does something regionally or internationally for t1

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i said the same thing and got humbled when he took a dump on geng 💔

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tell him to do it in VCT

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yeah true it is just the off season after all

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clears g2

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elysxxm

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g2 have infinitely more credibility than verno has right now, no doubt he keeps it up he will become top 10 but brother hasnt played a single tier 1 game

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in the past 2ish months he smoked 5 tier 1 teams, obv g2 is better but if you can't see that verno is him you're just blind

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G2 is a good team but definitely overhyped for their most current results. They got inta eliminated without picking up a map in champs playoffs and also lost their last game to Clown9

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jawgemo is seen as a big upgrade from icy and g2 were already good with icy and retained their core which means they can develop chemistry faster. in g2s defense they lost to rossys c9

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I never even said anything about g2 in the original post idk why ppl look at the g2 banner and talk abt them

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Delusion is crazy. G2 are a far better team

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hes the goat

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bro wasn't watching

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well said and agreed
same thing with sayonara, primmie, n4rrate (serious), especially sayonara

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I still think n4rrate should be on init instead of senti.

The first two you just mentioned are super young, so not exactly fair. Neither have hit their ceilings yet.

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the way the coaches explained n4rrate being on senti is fair, but yea i'd still like to see him on init,

as for sayonara, i get hes young but still crazy how so much people are overhyping him up so much when hes basically just an average player

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it's cuz Sayonara was tearing up T2 EMEA VCL on different teams, primarily as a flash initiator.

People probably said the same about Leo during the early Guild days (when it was all Swedish w/ bonkar and yacine).

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Bruh in the last 2 months he smoked EG, C9, SEN (twice), BLG, and Gen.G (5 franchise teams), MVP'd both events and had a 1.7 K/D over 290 rounds at SOOP

What more does he have to do lmfao

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he has to beat the second leo in mwzera

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unbeatable, have you seen his dm stats?

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true, verno stands no chance

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Verno? not good with raze

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https://tracker.gg/valorant/match/e289d7c9-80fe-401c-8eec-e81d13de220f

No OT either 😳😳😳

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STATS

mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all

DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate

RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)

can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.

heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)

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replicate it during the regular season, off season doesnt mean a whole lot hes playing teams with significantly less practice than his team, no doubt he will become top 10 but he has never played tier 1, never won anything, never made playoffs, and he didnt even do anything notable with his team in t2

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geng and BLG had a good amount of practice same with sen (they had more practice than vernos team btw and still lost)

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while i would agree and i know that the match against GenG technically wasnt actual Tier 1, it cant be ignored that he actually did beat the shit out of them

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it doesn’t matter if he plays against silvers or radiants, you can clearly tell just from the way he plays that he is ridiculously good. his aim is crisp and his movement is smart, it isn’t a massive overstatement to say he is likely a top 10 riflers currently in americas

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naa he is goated now there argument against it

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you're not gonna act suprise when the mf frying in the regular season

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sometimes i wonder if people really watches the matches, gen.g werent trolling verno was really frying them, maybe they will show a different face on international tournaments but just because its early it doesnt mean he´ll be worse on regular league, having this performance on a new team which might only improve through the season is spectacular

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elysxxm

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Never said he would be worse just that it's too early to be calling him top 10

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he's the best player itw currently

some people wont admit it but deep down they know it's facts

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neither of you is correct, he the best prospect itw undoubtedly and thats why he will fry t1 players next year, but that doesnt automatically make him a top 10 yet, cloud n4rrate grubinho eeiu flashback yetujey meiy and other players from last year also shitted on t1 teams but werent top 10 because what will make them top 10 is how deep they can make their teams go with their gameplay in terms of international standings and we cant know until the season starts, im pretty sure he will be a top 10 or top 5 in americas undoubtedly atleast like eeiu and he has the most potential out of every player in his role.

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Who would you reckon is above him in rifling in America that is also that consistent? And I want 10 since you clearly don't think he is top 10

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Not in order
Aspas
Zekken
Som
Keznit
Demon1
Kingg
Leaf
Oxy
Jawgemo
Yay
(Below are people that could argue imo)
Spike
Narrate
Cortezia
Mwzera

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Solid list but I'd say Verno is better than more than half of them. We'll see for sure during Kickoffs.

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Why do people always want to judge individual quality based on team achievements? is it that hard for people to know which high quality players and which ones are just so-so

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we know yetujey meiy flashback primmie n4rrate eeiu and a shit ton of players that are top 5 itw material but werent even top 10 last year thats why

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and thats not their fault for not reaching top 10 with the team
just imagine if you put aspas instead of meiy on 2024 DFM and doesn't have a single victory, then will that change the fact that he's the best duelist in the world?

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no one makes top 10 lists based on mechanics, best players itw are rated by standings too otherwise keznit would be in the best raze of all time discussion for his overall stats on vct even tho he hasnt got out of groups on internationals since 2021

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yeah i rated keznit at the same level with aspas. but not their team. That's why I never mix player quality with team quality in any discussion

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top 8 in na?? Surely noone is arguing that

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I saw a post that claimed he was top 8 and people are glazing him so much

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Thats suprising. Yeah hes def not

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He has smoked players that are considered top 8 in NA but he isn't considered top 8 in NA while also staying consistent? Make it make sense my man

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Playing 2 off season events doesn't make you consistent, 2/3 event winners last year got shit on in the off season by international teams

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terrible bait

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elysxxm

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Not bait he's overated, insane player but not top 8

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dog the second anyone gets more than 2 kills a round vlr goes in turns mega glazing ts out of said player

that said hell no verno is not overhyped, he is the future

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elysxxm

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Keyword hes the future, currently not top 8

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Yeah definitely. One offseason event doesnt mean shit. Verno looks hella good, but its too early. Till now we had SEN glazers, now we got NRG glazers. They glazed Mada before, now they glazing Verno. I mean chill yo.

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People already out here with nostalgia yearning for Yay and TenZ.

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he only bodies everything in front of him

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Keep going. NRG is sweeping Bangkok

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😂😂nice joke haha but id like to have some uncomfortable conversation with Pujan if they somehow luckily make it there

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said something similar a few months ago and had the entire site come at me with pitchforks

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ngl I thought the same but Verno might be the truth after that match against GenG

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he only performs in offseason dont be too excited

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I guess we'll have to see, +34 vs GenG is still really impressive regardless of it being in off season