na t2 is cooked

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Hobbit

FaZe left
Disguised left
G2 left
DarkZero left
Oxygen left
M80 left
TSM comes and goes
Moist might leave if they don't qualify next season

Apart from TSM, the biggest orgs in NA VCL right now are Fluffy Aimers and QoR gaming

This league is cooked unless Riot does something

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Wdym cooked bro
G2 didn't leave for ur knowledge they are in T1

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Hobbit

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I'm talking about leaving VCL

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G2 will leave at the end of the season

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M80 may come back next year afaik
Don't know about the others
Also G2 are in tier 1 the fuck?

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Hobbit

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G2 left the league

And they got lucky that Guard didn't want the spot

I doubt they would keep to invest in VCL if they didn't get to play in partnerships

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I doubt they will leave tbh

Even if they get relegated after the 2025 season , G2 will likely still play challengers/ ascension in 2026 and wait for the revaluation of orgs to happen in 2027 in which they will very likely be chosen.

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M80 MIGHT leave, nothing's confirmed yet. I'm 90% sure Ludwig wants to keep throwing money into NA Challengers. And G2 are in tier 1

That being said, you're completely right, we need more attention to T2 from Riot before the whole thing comes crashing down

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Hobbit

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I'm sure that Ludwig said in one of his streams "we'll give it another year"

Implying that Moist might leave Valorant if they fail to qualify in 2025

An G2 is only in tier 1 because Guard didn't want the spot and Carlos lost his mind. They would have to wait until 2026 to have a chance to get in

I seriously doubt that G2 would invest in VCL if they weren't in VCT

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Riot just have to do more than one international tourney each year for t2. Maybe two masters ascension or smtng with a great prize pool and visibility.

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respect fluffy aimers and fishthehusky

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Bbbbbbbut we have great gc tier x valorant . Don't you enjoy it ?

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Really unfortunate NA T2 has so many players who deserve to play in T1

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And now they have tiny chances of making it cuz they are either in on franchising or out completely

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nobody in T2 currently deserves T1 besides skuba, brawk, and like bcj

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And you do realize that no org means that not so much talent will actually be in the tier 2, right?

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sym and mitch could also do fine in T1. seven is also ok.

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Welcome Chicken Nugget Esports!

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This year will probably be the year Leo Fartia's tier 2 negligence catches up to him. Tier 2 na had so much talent and most of it will not compete cuz they don't have a pay check to fucking live, well played Volvo agent

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yeah polaris had 2 orgs at one point, NA is doing fine

also you should be glad FaZe left + G2 are in tier 1 and they would still be in tier 2 if they didnt get the guard roster + M80 might still sign another roster + rosters will generally start to get picked up as the season goes on

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Hobbit

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Just because Polaris had 2 orgs doesn't mean that NA is fine

You can hate FaZe (like I do), but I would rather have a org like them investing in a VCL roster than not at all

G2 is debatable

And I wouldn't trust M80 to stay another year. VCL sucks and M80 already lost almost 1 million dollars just trying to ascend (money which they haven't recovered), and will lose more if they fail to qualify in 2025. This is precisely why Leo Fahria's system sucks, you decide to trust that orgs will invest and pickup teams. DarkZero pickup Turtle Troop for only one month, and even assuming the TT players were paid decently for that month, that doesn't make up for all the time in the season they didn't get a single cent

With this system, tier-2 will only get worse and players will stop trying to chase a career

It's almost funny, how the only decent org in Polaris, won Ascension. You can't ask unpaid players to perform

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it isnt just a random thing that orgs are pulling out, its a mix of lack of security from riot but also the fact that the economy right now is doing really bad, and generally NA suffers from the economy side and EMEA suffers from the job security side

as the economy doesnt improve, youll see more and more orgs pulling out, something you cant fix within the valorant ecosystem and thus unavoidable

Also as a counter point to unpaid players not performing, look at turtle troop. They werent signed, played great and then got signed. Thats the way tier 2 valorant works for NA, thats why NA will be fine. It happened in the first year of franchising for NA as well, many teams got picked up after the season started. Other regions will have unsigned teams do great but they have such bad prospects because they have to win their league, or if not get second then play in playins, win those playins which are pretty much a full tournament by, play a full tournament after winning playins when teams now have even more footage of you. Winning pretty much 2 tournaments back to back is brutal compared to the NA way. Thats why NA is fine, stop paying your players tier 1 salaries if you dont want to go bankrupt after being in valorant for 2 years. Thats all NA needs really. Tier 2 players need to be less greedy and be happy they are playing a game as their job, stop asking for absurd salaries when you arent a tier 1 pro

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Except Turtle Troop only got signed for like 3 months. I don't see that as sustainable when T2 basically turns into something where you play the entire year only to get paid for like 3 months of it if you're lucky.

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Same players different org different year it’s not that deep