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Ascension Pacific Thoughts

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SIN PRISA GAMING
I'm really high on SPG. I've never been particularly high on KR tier 2 teams - only players.
SPG really look different though, the way they play is so different compared to every other tier 2 KR team I've seen in the last few years. A lot of KR tier 2 teams like Dplus looked disjointed/seemed to lack strategic depth, but SPG seem to have a great read on the game state and the mechanics to brawl things out. I think a lot of their micro plays and setups are pretty well-thought out and smart, and they appear to be able to adapt on the fly.

They also seriously cook with their agent comps - I mean, what asian tier 2 youngster team can say FNATIC copied their comp and playstyle?

Persia is obviously the star of the team but I think Ivy is a really solid player who gets slept on a bit statswise. He's clutch, has good aim, and I don't think he makes too many mistakes.
My only worry is how well they'll be able to fix their weaknesses on certain maps, and whether their inexperience may fuck them over.
They've been dominant in Korea, but I don't know what their scrim results are like or if they've scrimmed SEA teams and can handle the aggression/contact heavy plays some teams like FS have. Somewhat cautiously optimistic for their performance - but they look at least macro wise like the best Asian tier 2 team rn.

RIDDLE ORDER
Dominant JP team that also came out of nowhere. This team has 4 good shooters, maybe 5 if JoxJo is on his day. Yatsuka and Seoldam I feel are the most impressive - Seoldam's Jett is very explosive and aggressive, and at least in Japan, he finds first picks/kills out of nowhere. Yatsuka is an incredible anchor and some of the shots this guy hits are unbelievable man.
Only problem is, I feel like that's really all they have. I saw some horrible blunders from this team on a fundamental level, like staggered peeks and inexperienced pre-planning. Some of their setplays seem under/overcooked.

Seoldam's play is a huge X factor, he really finds great timings and his confident aggression often leads to early reads from Riddle. And sometimes the players just shoot their way out of situations - strategically they seem to have less depth than some other teams. I think Scarz during Split 2 kind of exposed these weaknesses - especially on Icebox.

If Seoldam isn't busting out his superstar Jett performance I think they're a weaker team than Fennel actually, at least from a macro standpoint.

FULL SENSE
This team actually looks quite good. I like the way they play - they show they can switch tempo from fast to slow at any point, are comfortable with contacting, and their utility usage is great.
JohnOlsen has been in Thai tier 2 for a long time, and he seems to be as good as he used to be all the way back in LCQ 2021. He got heavily exposed at Champs though, and I wonder if he's able to continue his performance against tougher and better-drilled teams. Foxz and Sushiboys are also familiar names - Foxz imo has always been a decent IGL with above-average mechanics, and iirc the only reason he's not on current Talon was because of attitude issues. JitboyS, garnetS, and Primmie have shown the potential of Thai tier 2 players, and Full Sense do look just as good as they did in LCQ 2021. I don't think they have a specific? weakness to be honest - more like they're a well-rounded team. But I haven't been particularly impressed or wowed by their approach to the game or maps with regards to their set plays, setups, or micro/macro understanding. Seems more like they do well on somewhat known comps that have been tweaked to the current meta (they've run pretty bog-standard meta comps like the typical Icebox comp we saw way back in 2022 started by DRX(?) Or the typical DRX/VS haven comp, but Neon instead of Jett.)

I haven't watched enough of BOOM/NAOS/LOFI/RVNT/JFT/OF/DSG to speak to their performance, and I think OCE is actually a slept on region considering how good their players like Autumn are in other regions as well.

As I understand it though, I was never particularly impressed by BME Famouz or BerserX because they've been called chokers at international/higher level competitions tbh. BerserX especially, but it's possible they've grown as players. No idea how good Rapid LoFi is - only that FCY were a surprising team at last year's Ascension, so they'll probably be able to upset.
DSG are a team I've heard a lot of chatter about, and their players are definitely good. I understand that Vera is quite good, and obviously Juicy has been class for a long time. But my biggest question is how good they really are, because I feel like MY/SG has always been a top-heavy region, honestly arguably even more so than KR I feel. A LOT of these teams are kinda mid imo, but seeing as DSG kinda appeared to have rolled their way through Split 2 they could be like BLEED last year.

Let me know your thoughts on the teams in Ascension!

inb4 "allat"

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allat
(still reading)

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thank u goat i spent a full like 8 mins writing this up

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Unrelated question why is there a play in EMEA and not one in Pacific. Ik it’s probably logistic, but still, Riot just fucking pay up

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because Pacific TOs are dogshit or sth idk we still have single elim group stage/playoffs. Group stage double elim priority is literally a diceroll or some shit, so one team could luck their way into having a 2nd chance in groups or some shit, but if you're unlucky you start groups with no second chance LMFAO

edit: ok i checked again and this was my misunderstanding, but basically depending on a diceroll you have to win either 2 games straight or just 1 game to qualify LOL which is still cheeks. There is Group Stage double elim tho

https://valorantesports.com/en-SG/news/introducing-vct-ascension-pacific-tokyo-2024

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gambling is easier than predicting this year's ascension winner

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this is actually so true

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This applies to every tournament tbh, which is why I never do pickems or outright say "X team is winning Ascension" because really no one knows how well international matchups fare. I thought GEN.G were playing the best Valorant out of all 3 regions at kickoff at the start of this year and I was wondering if I was delusional as fuck, but I guess was right. At the same time, I thought NRG would be the best NA team and that EG could qualify to an international and upset again, but I was wrong there. Really is never 100%.

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I agree tournaments in general are impossible to predict, I just do pick ems and power rankings for a little bit of fun and don't take them too seriously, I'm not gonna get upset/mad at whatever team wins it because they deserve it.

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ye. most of my preds are usually after the first day of matches, so there's no point to me doing pickems anyway. power rankings are fun for sure, it's always entertaining to share opinions about the level of play displayed from various teams. plus i think this is more productive discussion than the endless butterflyeffect/flashback/whatever posts vlr has been plagued with recently.

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My heart says Riddle
but my brain says not riddle

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yeah I mean it would be nice to see Seoldam on a team that doesn't turn him into a human Skye dog but I feel like FENNEL could have done more damage. Riddle have the mechanics to hang though, at least. Maybe we could see them make a run, especially considering Ascension is held on home soil.
And the JP players on Riddle aren't the average passive JP players we see on like ZETA or DFM - they're confident and ready to fight at any time I feel.

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Yeah bro it really shows in Grand FInals , they kept standing up all the time 😂. I think their mentals are incredible

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didn't aace or someone flip the bird at the crowd after they won lmfao i was dying
this kind of confidence is really nice to see from the typical passive, scared playstyle we saw from a lot of Japanese teams in the past - but i think it could result in a lot of terrible throws. being able to strike the fine line between unexpected aggression and calculated fights is something i don't know riddle can do. and i wonder how often their mechanics will bail them out of rough situations vs other top Asian tier 2 teams. we all know SEA has some aimers, but SPG also look sharp as fuck too.

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I have full faith in Riddle ( hopium) and I don't think Aace flipped the bird lol , it seemed like it on cam but I think he striked the spiderman hand , but the cam caught it the wrong way 😂

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oh man. would have been really fucking funny if he did tho

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Yeah, Aace confirmed on his Twitter yesterday
Riddle just shiny boys and fun to watch haha

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FS will win ascension!!

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they look good and have 2 tier 1 vets on their team. definitely one to look out for!

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BOOM won over Alter Ego (Redbull World Campus 2023 mickey mouse tournament, free vocation holiday @ Turkey + 20000 EUR), but still BOOM have no chance against SIN PRISA is GAMING

It's real, i'm not even jinxing

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i thought GARUDA was Alter Ego players, no? And yeah I mean it's a collegiate tournament. Pretty impressive showing from young Indonesian players nonetheless (though I see ray4c was on the roster lmfao)

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Yup, they're same line-up players
AE only good shocking their first opponent :|

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i remember being impressed by ray4c's satchel usage last year. sucks that he didn't qualify this time around. he was a streamer right? but i mean boom has experience, maybe this year they can win.

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Yeah, it's gonna fun if AE qualified lol, he was streamer for RRQ
You're right, cuz BOOM same region with AE so they're familiar with AE's playstyles

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Yea, it might have been another fennel situation where perhaps the better looking team lost the grand finals. Either way, the team that won deserved the win and hopefully they can continue their runs at Ascension.

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Go spg

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SIN PRISA or OBLIVION FORCE will win, OF is so good if you watch Hongkong/Taiwan.

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what are some things you noticed about OF (playstyle, setplays, etc.)? I've heard basically nothing about them and HK/TW has been a pretty weak region so far so there seems to be little chatter or recognition.

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This year's pacific ascension is going to be even more unpredictable because of the format.
If the rumours of what i've heard are true, the seeding will be based on how each region performed at last years ascension.
Having some teams only play 2 games is rough.

(though i need to watch old vods/rounds to have a better idea of each team)

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man SPG need to come out swinging then. They'll 100% be starting with another game to play before they can qualify. And RIddle only need to win 1 game. This definitely changes things.

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JFT will win

#31
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don't sleep on OCE frfr

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I only watched VCJ as well so it's good to know other VCLs from your POV. I want to add a thing about Riddle Order that they consist of 3 young players and 2 experienced players, and their fortitudes yesterday despite being in a pinch of 2-0 needs to be applauded as well because these 3 young players haven't had their LAN debut yet for their official tourney. As much as I watch most of the VCTs, player's mental is really important, no matter how good they are, if they break down before the match ends, it can be just gg already.

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Yeah, the ability to reverse sweep after mispicking your comp on your map pick definitely shows incredible resilience, plus Ascent went to OT and I think it was yatsuka who lost a 1v1 vs TENNN because the crowd gave away his flank.

SPG also were in the position of being upset, but Ivy pulled off what is imo one of the most clutch plays in tier 2 this year by getting an insane 4k to secure match point on the last map. SPG in general made a good comeback on Map 5 considering they were down 7-3.
Being able to deal with the pressure of a bo5 and the length of the game is a really valuable skill heading into a major tournament. I remember Northeption back in 2021 LCQ really let the pressure and fatigue get to them, which is part of why FS were able to win 3-2 in GF.

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nice read, not a lot to say but just wanted to appreciate it

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thank you kindly man, i appreciate that you read the entire thing <3

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What the mother of holy cow format is this. Epitome of unfairness

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FOR REAL LIKE WHY CAN'T YOU JUST COPY THE OTHER REGION'S FORMATS THEY'RE ALREADY TRIED AND TESTED MAN

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For SPG&Others, Some rumors that might help :

Official Korean commentator says SPG are doing 'very well' against Tier 1 teams

In CRWS' apac grand final stream, stax picked NAOS/Oasis and CRWS picked Riddle as the winning team predictions.

Talon coach Frost said they lost heavily in mechanics to a Japanese Tier 2 team.

NS is rumored to have crushed Riddle in scrims (and they haven't beaten spg once all season).

SPG and NS both won scrims against Bleed.

In Bind's last match against T1, Bleed used a deadlock comp that only SPG uses.

Bleed's coach is confident SPG will win Ascension.

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My think:
The main shooter of this team is Persia, The best player of this season. but the most unique one is Margaret. His 'weird' lurking timing and habits are so unique, there is no other Sentinel like him in the world.
He always arrives one step faster than his opponents expect. This can be very fatal for teams that are relatively slow in decision-making and tend to burn time (Especially Japanese teams)
The 2 Sentinels comp based on Ivy's Deadlock skills is also very unique. He is the only player who makes Deadlock's ult useful.

This team's ideas are so unique that their opponents almost always feel unfamiliar. It brings the same advantages as PRX: If you're new to SPG, you can't deal with them.
Everyone is criticizing the short Ascension format, which is actually dangerous enough that much is decided by pure luck, but it could be an opportunity for SPG.

This team's weaknesses are equal to its strengths. Their strangeness is a strength, but because the players are so young, they are not flexible enough to respond effectively when Plan A gets blocked.

Their Bind Deadlock comp was unbeatable in the regular season, to the point where Bleed was used on sight, but they lost 2 out of 2 times in the playoffs. Bind, which was unconditionally selected in the regular season, was not selected first in the playoffs. After losing to DK, the only change SPG made was to change Omen to Astra and They lost even more.

SPGs tend to rely on anomalies. On some maps they can't handle Basic comp. Margaret played only one agent(Cypher) all season. They ban Icebox all the time Because it is not a map that uses Cypher.
Because their mechanics are so excellent, it's not a team that can win just by deceiving the opponent, But it is what it is.
All their strengths and weaknesses are one.

A strange team.

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100%. I have also heard scrim information from my sources also, which is part of why I'm pretty big on them.

In Bind's last match against T1, Bleed used a deadlock comp that only SPG uses.

Yeah, Tier 1 teams have been paying attention to SPG. Like I mentioned earlier, even FNATIC use their comp. I think it's their best comp right now actually.

Thank you for the additional information! The Bind part is very true. Margaret's agent pool is 100% one of the most exploitable parts of the team. But I think their grasp of the game and their confidence to pick off-meta comps is testament to their ability to understand roles and utility at a different level to some other teams.

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thanks for the info ! not surprised Bleed stole SPG's comps with how good it is

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SPG and RID can scrim with Champions contender, so imo, either team will win.

Personally, the point about SPG and RID is that by playing all the maps in Premier, they can play at a certain level on any map, so I'd like to see these two teams compete in the finals.

Also, the core of RIDDLE's mentality is definitely Aace, so as long as he doesn't shrink, I think they'll be in a pretty good place.

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hmm.. Not 'any maps'. SPG never plays Icebox. Their Icebox ban rate is literally 100%. Whatever they may have prepared, it is unlikely to be as strong as other maps due to the lack of Margaret's Cypher.
RID is quite strong in Icebox, as they showed in the finals.

On the other hand, Japanese teams avoid Abyss. Koreans don't.

#44
IonlywatchvcjXD
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Considering the fashion in which Fennel lost abyss, yes I would too lol

#46
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Yes.
What I want to say is that it's easier to develop a B/P strategy because they play on all maps.
Also, RID almost always bans Lotus.

For Abyss, it's simply a matter of not having had enough time since its implementation, so I think RID would be not very confident with it yet.
However, if it's picked, I believe we can play it reasonably well. (VCJ tends to avoid using new maps, imo.)

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KR
THAI
INDO
JP
VN

^ the only contender imo

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