correct me if i'm wrong

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Hynix

primmie sucks

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the clip says primmie has better MECHANICS than aspas

that's what we're debating

and sorry but PRX is just Talon's kryptonite

they always get crushed vs PRX

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hey doomvor!
lmk if i'm wrong, but don't mechanics contribute to getting kills and in turn, getting rounds?
i think this might be something to consider when pitting him up against aspas mechanically, but that's just my opinion.

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Hey Hynix, good mechanics are perfecting the inputs in your game! Your welcome for the clarification!

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Hynix

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ok sorry! i didn't know that mechanics had nothing to do with getting kills. thanks for your help!

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They do thats why primmie mvps for his team every game! If your team gets steamrolled you cant do much about it

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Hynix

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valid! i agree that primmie is the best mechanical player on his team, based on the fact that for one, he gets the most kills!

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Ignore PRX vs Talon. PRX has historically just crushed talon for some reason and that's not a good indicator at all. It'd be like judging PRX based on them losing twice to TS.

In the Talon vs DRX match, (keep in mind Talon lost 26-12) primmie went +3

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Hynix

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sorry! i'll just ignore that game from now on, and rethink my claim.
i think aspas is still better mechnically!

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I think it's been kinda harder to get rounds on Talon, when they were getting ran down by PRX and DRX, top-3 teams in the Pacific

I do agree that Primmie and Aspas shouldn't be compared tho

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hey Hynix!

lmk if i’m wrong but none of us have actually played against primmie and aspas like TenZ personally.

TenZ isn’t saying primmie is a completely better player than aspas but just that primmie has some of the most insane mechanics he’s faced against. mechanics are just one aspect of the game and we must consider game sense, experience etc when comparing players as a whole.

I think this might be something to consider. it’s just TenZ praising primmie singuarly on mechanics and doesn’t take anything away from the goat erick santos :)

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i didn't know that judging mechanics required an entire phd and 4 years of experience on the field! sorry, i forgot that it was actually tenz that is the goat.

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You mean the last two of his only three pro T1 games ever? Icl, he's cooked, bro. Can't even go +20 in one of his first 3 games lol.

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Hynix

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hey StutterSt3p!
lmk if i'm wrong, but if he's only played three T1 games, don't you think it's a bit retarded to compare him to aspas at all?
i think this might be something to consider when pitting him up against aspas mechanically, but that's just my opinion.

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I mean I wouldn't compare them necessarily but I'm also a gold player. This whole thing has started because one of the most seasoned pro players thinks primmie has better aim. I think TenZ would know a thing or two about aiming, but that might just be me.

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Hynix

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i'm sure that TenZ, jesus of valorant, can make such claim valid after playing one, perhaps two scrims against talon, where he didn't have access to primmie's POV. just make sure to zip it up when you're done!

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Bro, I think he can tell when his team is getting owned by one player. Also, for the record, I never said I necessarily agree, but TenZ has played against enough players to know when a player stands out.

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primmie is better mechanically than aspas, no one said he was a better player than aspas (although I think he is)

also aspas has infinitely better support players on his team than primmie making aspas have an easier time getting kills! hope that helps!

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Hynix

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well i'm arguing against the retarded take that primmie is better mechanically than aspas! hope that helps!

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nowhere in your OP was there any mention of mechanics! hope that helps!

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Hynix

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maybe i felt like i didn't need to because as you said nobody ever said he was a better player than aspas! hope that helps!

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again, nowhere in your OP was there any mention of mechanics! hope that helps!

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sorry, looks like i forgot that you don't have any sense of deductive reasoning. i'll make sure to be more inclusive of the disabled in my next post!

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again, nowhere in your OP was there any mention of mechanics! hope that helps!

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where would you rate Aspas as a player for Seoul? would he make your top-10?

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BulkyLettuce

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no he wouldnt make my top 10, hes known for playing horrible internationally and is nowhere to be seen in the top 20 in international performance even when hes the "goat"

https://x.com/willminder/status/1744843988673184187

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ButterflyEffect23

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interesting

is he making it in your top-20?

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don’t think he would make it in his top 20 either

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ill have to think about it, id definitely have every fut player above him because we all know what happened in the last international, maybe top 30

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ButterflyEffect23

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I'm interested, what's Aspas overall career rating in the international competitions now

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catNmouse

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Lower than 1.19 rating. Think highest was 1.15

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His highest international rating is 1.15? oh

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catNmouse

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yes and that was champs 2023

let’s see if he can go over 1.19

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BulkyLettuce

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significantly lower than his regional performances

i mean you would think its a whole different player

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interesting

if 1.15 truly is his highest international rating

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i genuinely think ur whole agenda against aspas is just bait and i feel stupid for biting every time

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tbf talon were "saving strats" after they qualified for champs, so it doesn't help the small sample pool as well. we'll just have to see this match

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Hynix

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i agree with u, just trying to put it out that if any valid mechanical comparison were to be made, aspas is the clear choice. however, as you said i don't think it makes sense to make a comparison at all

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bro all these posts about primmie is like trying to compare Lamine Yamal to Messi, it makes no sense.

primmie is very good but even mechanically, we will need a MUCH bigger sample size to even put his name in the conversation with aspas.

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i think even comparing primmie to aspas is silly as shit but ur being so bitchy and annoying itt that im starting to consider it

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Ofc, I think most normal people believe primmie has the ability to eventually improve to be better than aspas with time and a good supporting cast.

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wont we find out is who is better mechanically in a week just chill ot lol
we are comparing a ranked demon vs ex champions winner

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hey hynix!

Tenz said that primmie might be better than aspas mechanically, which is only but a small part which makes a player good. Aspas clearly is the better player in every other metric.
It's well known that Talon did not play the last two games for the win, getting to champs was their only goal. Frost played dirty but it is what it is.

Hope this helped!