If ASPAS isn't the goat then WHO IS?

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omegaishere

Yes he's having a shitty game rn. but who else gets respected in 1v5 situations? Maybe there is no "raid boss" if ASPAS is a baiter. I can't think of anyone who is just good like that.
I know it's a team game but it's not as fun when there isn't that shining player.
No I'm not glazing aspas

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chronicle

also he gets respected in 1v5s because everyone knows how good he is at getting those empty kills

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chronicle isnt even the best player on his own team 😭😭😭

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W Leo shoutout?

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chronicle is like carvajal in real madrid lol

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kanyefan4238173

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i didnt know carvajal gets all the goals and assists and has the best stats in real madrid

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Why am I getting downvoted, chronicle does have the best stats in fnatic

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Man these Barca fans are just too obsessed with Real Madrid

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Literally living in their head rent free

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its clearly chronicle lol

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cNed

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omegaishere

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Cned sucks

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chrlxz

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doesnt bait unlike a certain brazilian......

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sideshowsbaldhead

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doesn’t bait unlike a certain vlr user…

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chrlxz

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i dont even bait here 90% of what i say i genuinely believe

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so you're genuinely retarded?

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Hobbit

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that might be one of the coldest comebacks I've seen on this website

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hunkkz

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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whoever it is don't listen to emea flags

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before this year your region was as irrelevant as CN pipe down lil brudda

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omegaishere

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As a FNC fan I agree that chronicle is insane but he's still not a raid boss

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ntro

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this guy can clutch anything what u mean hes not a raid boss

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with that logic c0m would be the best player on the old eg roster, but clearly he wasn't

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ntro

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downplaying eg com is stupid he was insane won them multiple rounds and series with his clutches and his sova util is unmatched. c0m was a huge reason for their success and ignoring that is stupid

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Seoc

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was he their best player?

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Boaster is caked up, therefore boaster is the raid boss of all of valorant.

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I don't think it's "respect", more so "not playing stupid"
"Fun" is subjective, and seeing a team execute strats flawlessly and work like a well-oiled machine can and is fun too

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omegaishere

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Any team plays stupid in a 5v1 but not with aspas (not glazing I swear)

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Aspas is the goat

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Diebs

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aspas and chronicle is the 2nd

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shermie

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Chronicle but ppl hate acknowledging cause he's not a primary duelist fragging super turbo fuck powerhouse

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It's because everytime he won a championship he never was the best player on the team. He's like scottie pippen. Yes he does contribute a ton, yes he's arguably had the most successful career (no Champs yet so it's arguable), but his individual performance while really good has never been considered to be the best in a tournament win.

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Aspas wasn't the best on LOUD when they won Champs tho

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AltonBu02

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Between him and Less no?

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pAncada was the MVP I think

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AltonBu02

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Just went through all the games to refresh my memory. Deadass everyone was fragging out on Loud even Sadhaak was going crazy in some games. Even if pancada was mvp there wasn't really a clear best player on Loud everyone did their part i guess.

That was the one tournament where Aspas wasn't clearly outfragging everyone else in most of the games. Who would of thought to win a champs you need your team to be firing on all cylinders.

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People really underestimate how good chronicle was at gambit.
His performances at international events were neck and neck with nAts.
His Masters berlin finals performance is one of the best finals performances of all time.

In fnatic he hasn't been able to stand out as much but that is because the starpower is so much higher.

Not to mention he is doing all of this as a flex.

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He was mvp when gambit won masters ...

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AltonBu02

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Correct me if I'm wrong but that mvp was only for the GF right? I just checked all of the games Gambit played in that tournament run and nats top fragged 4/6 games on cypher/viper (and still played very well in the other two games) while Chronicle top fragged the GF.

I don't even think Chronicle was considered to be the second best in the tournament overall until the grand final where he put on an insane performance. While doesn't take away from his performance, it just kinda shows that Nats was the one who had the best overall performance in the tournament.

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Wali

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Yeah exactly but i guess his performance in GF count double idk lol but yeah he still got the mvp for that tourney. It could easily have been nAts tho you're right but it was a close call

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AltonBu02

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yeah it's def close. If you looked at the 5 games before the gf you would easily say nats and if you only looked at the gf you would Chronicle. Ig it just depends on how much you weigh the gf which is fair.

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He was mvp in Berlin finals

Tf u on about

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AltonBu02

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look at the comments right above u

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We will have the conclusion after the Champs. rn might be Chronicle

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Zmjkk in his first international appearance was scary as fuck, probably the scariest person to peek in the game but only in that tournament

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omegaishere

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Haven't heard of this legend when was this and what happened to him

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zhongZHI

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u werent here during tokyo? that guy was mechanically different at the time.

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my goat Jaccob Whiteaker

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jixk

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the game is too young for that we can only give role awards only person who could've gotten it is aspas but he has had terrible year and before that he had a mid to above avg year
chornicle is the second option based of trophies but on all his win he wasn't the best player on his team
you could say texture but he only has this year which is crazy don't get me wrong

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how can someone say chronicle? i mean, even tho goat means the greatest of all time, we usually call someone as a goat, when he is the better and also has greatness, like s1mple in cs, he is far to be the player with most major or achievements, but his individual its just too good, aspas is clearly better than chronicle and also has some longevity and achievements.

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omegaishere

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This is what I mean

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maxazevedo

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you're reasonable, tbh i don't really like aspas, bro is the enemy of charisma, but yeah, he is on another level.

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emeatards will always try to sneak their ass overrated players

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all these “aspas is a baiter” threads make people forget that this guy is still a world champion and has consistently been at the top of his region since his debut

call him a baiter all you want, he’s got aura and is definitely in the goat conversation

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omegaishere

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The thing is what baiter can farm SEN on icebox

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Less

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Prancer

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C0m has made it to Champs back to back by getting carried

He may not be the best player mechanically but he sure is the goat of finding the right teams to join

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Hobbit

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It depends on what criteria you use to determine who the goat is

Is it by trophies/career? then it's Chronicle or Sacy

Is it by performance? the debate would never end

If the criteria is based on performance: Sayf, Aspas, Demon1, Alfajer, Leo, Less, nAts, f0rsaken, Jinggg, are only SOME of the names that come to my mind

It could quite literally be anyone, but regardless, my personal goat is and always will be Chronicle

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Hobbit

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I also think that the goat should be determined by role (like Overwatch)

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kristof

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Anyone but asspiss

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lilwho

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chamber merchant y0y

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if rather put alfajer over chronicle, people put too much focus on achievements

people say s1mple is the csgo goat and has nowhere near the amount of achievements someone like dupreeh does

regardless the best player over the past few years has been aspas, so he holds it now