Is Karon>Mako?

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RomanDmitri

Or it needs time to stick

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he’s already made deeper runs than mako and has a trophy in his first year

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ZekaTheGoat

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Right now? Not even close specially with mako igling but all time? Noone is really close to Mako yet

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RomanDmitri

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True

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Indeed

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Karon already has a trophy and has made deep runs in every tourney that he played, he clears mako

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Yoorake

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If you think that than is redgar > mako, karon is the 3rd best player on the team while mako is the best

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sm0ke3

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karon has incredible stats unlike redgar, he will surpass mako soon enough

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Mozzarellas

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Redgar in 2021 cleared mako but he fell off after that, karon hadn't had a chance to fall off yet so for now he clears

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heistheoneandonly

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everyone was shit in 2021, thats why teams with only 1-2 good players were good enough to win tourneys

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Mozzarellas

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Didnt drx have 1-2 good players? Why wasnt it enough for them

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merciless-pity8989-89

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only 1 of the 5 players were consistent. That’s literally what everyone knows and says, how don’t you know that

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SomeoneLikeU

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No smokes players are.

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even as drx fan i can say karon >>>> mako rn

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super disrespectful to mako

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merciless-pity8989-89

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Tbh, with MaKo igling right now, i’ll give Karon the edge.

Aside from that, this argument is annoying because people holds team success over individual performances. However, MaKo without the burden of being igl is better

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dual000

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A smoker from Master winner vs 5-6th several time and lose 2 chance to major? Not even a debate

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Chow1E

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id say same level, not count as trophy yet, but karon has brighter future bcs he still young and on good team, could have the real faker imo

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Derpp

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mako needs to be compared to boo or ange1 or smth since he's the igl now

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RomanDmitri

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Rn correct but overall i still consider mako above karon

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TriQo

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Karon is definitely better right now. bro literally won a trophy

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merciless-pity8989-89

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if that’s the case, that means lakia is the best initiator in the world

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sm0ke3

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who else could be better than lakia? riens? i cant think of anyone else really

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merciless-pity8989-89

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Leo, eeiu, david. Winning masters don’t mean you have the best player in every role. It’s a team effort, which includes coaching and

In fact i would guess having a top 5 player in every role is enough to be the best team itw. That’s not the case with gen g bc i think they have the best duelist and senti but you get the point

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sm0ke3

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neither of those 3 have played as good as riens or lakia this year

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TriQo

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if you’re counting the whole lifespan of Valorant then I’d say MaKo has been consistently good for years but as for current form then its definitely Karon

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heavensentsaint

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but he is in contention for one of the best initiators

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charleser

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I mean, he's top 3 for sure. I think Riens/Lakia/Sacy are the top 3.

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merciless-pity8989-89

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Leo?

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Gqviria

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Each year people make the same thread about someome who won a tittle, lets wait to see who's consistent.

Mako has seen the rise and fall of pAncada, Marved, Jawg/Demon1 and he is still there being a top controller.

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merciless-pity8989-89

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not to mention that fact that the best teams of last year have all gotten worse due to a massive shift in the meta. This thing always comes down to long term consistency, so i agree, it’s always best to just wait and see.

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Samsat78

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Ofcourse, but you should compare him with flashback tho. We will see who is the goat.

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Mazik

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This year? Definitely

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MourninggStarr

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Peak Karon (now) >>> Peak MaKo (2022)

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Yoorake

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2022 mako was top 3 itw, peak karon is 3rd in his team

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merciless-pity8989-89

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This is the correct argument. Like Karon has had games where he played average or bad and his team still wins easily. The teams are not the same at all

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Right now I would give it to karon, but mako has had a higher peak than karon imo. Their playstyles are very different too.

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usersux

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lol is it even a debate??
karon ofc

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charleser

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Threads like this are always full of recency bias bullshit. If we're talking 2024 than Karon clears Mako for sure. But Mako has been a top controller for a LONG time. I don't know how you could compare a player with a career as long as Mako who has been at so many internationals to a player that's in his first year and has only been to two.