If GENG performs at Champs, are they the best OAT?

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c4rrotstix

Currently, GenG have gotten 2nd, and 1st in both Masters events, comparable to Optic in 2022 or Fnatic in 2023. Regional Titles clearly never mattered in arguments for Optic or Fnatic being one of the best teams of all time, and both of these teams also have Asterisks on their dominance.
ie. Optic never had to play FPX, Fnatic had a very easy run through Lock//In, and GenG played at an 8 Team Masters (I don't agree with Madrid being a Mickey Mouse, but EMEA cope users often bring it up as an argument)

If GenG ends up even 3rd at Champs, I personally think they deserve the title of the best team we've seen so far in Valorant. Thoughts?

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Uncleben

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Loud won a champions, got 2 second places, a third place and 4th place

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yep, and optic core won a masters, got a 2nd at a masters and champs, got a third place, and a fourth place as well

GenG would have to win champs

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Loud got grouped at copenhagen the year they won champs no?

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a couple mickey mouse runs and people have the audacity to say this shit

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Uncleben

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U have to be trying to hatemonger for nrg

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what does NRG have?

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the only reason why NRG is relevant is because of F0N0SS0 and s00m

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ASTEROIDCHILD

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a podium finish and you can argue it but people will always just say that 2 trophies can only be beaten by 2 trophies

if they win champs it won't be arguable though

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c4rrotstix

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I don't personally count Lock In at the same level as a Masters or Champions trophy

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Champions slightly over Masters (with double elim brackets) over Masters (single elim brackets) slightly over Lock In wayyy over regional trophies

Hot take perhaps but whenever theres a single elim tourney it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth

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hemmy

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Optic has two 2nd place finishes, a 3rd place finish, and a 1st place finish. Not comparable sadly

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optic also played when the overall skill and strats were way lower.

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USCK

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They might not even make it with how tight their schedule is every tram in asia is probably trying to anti strat them rn

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They need to win Champions to have the best Season of all time and being the best Team of all time

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nihso

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Wouldn't prx be the best of all time because they've only missed 2 lans in their lifetime being 2021 reiyjagavik and 2021 champs.
2 grand finals, 2 top 3s, 1 top 4. 3 last place. Every time people think they are washed they bring it back. Champs they got grouped and then lock in they placed last but then Tokyo with a sub top 3 and then champs top 2. Berlin was their first lan and they did bad but Valorant was still new at the time.
It's either prx or sentinels.

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flanador

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They have no trophies and never have been in contention for it like Optic/LOUD/FNC/GENG due to lack of achievements

SEN hasn’t nearly had the same amount of dominance like the rest, but winning champs would put them up there

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cloudberry

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LOUD's only missed a single LAN ever and have better finishes on average, I think your argument holds much stronger for them

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cloudberry

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They went on a flawless run to take the crown in a country where the population hated their org and they got possibly the worst circumstances for a team at an international event. I think it's safe to say they should be able to perform on home soil with the crowd hyping them up.

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charleser

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If they get #2 in Champs or win the whole thing then there would probably an argument for top 3 of all time

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bearmans

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if they get a back to back trophy, of course they will be.

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kfox

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Fnantic back to back then like 4th in champs no?