Bro all this drama and split between the valorant community could’ve been avoided, if riot just made the character a chick, like why are they bringing these things into a video game? It’s so extra and unnecessary, and I’m not trying to hate but it seemed like a last minute decision either way because this character doesn’t come close to what a nonbinary person would look like she just looks like a feminine looking chick. Now we see in almost every content creator twitch chat ppl arguing and getting banned ab the same shit like bro just watch the stream, riot just set a nuke on the valorant community smh.
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Honestly, riot is so brainwashed, if u wanna change ur gender, fine do wtv but don't make other people respect you because you have a mental illness thinking you are a female and forcing it upon others when you have male genitalia and xy chromosomes. Like I said, do wtv u want to urself but why force it onto other people??? buncha clout chasers, adding things no one asked for. Repect is earned, not demanded
Why I cry ?
I just wanna draw the line that clover it's characters in game and we okay with it and it's doesn't matter it's boy, girl,they them,non binary, helicopter.
U literally the one put on fire here with word as "drama"
If I care I literally comment westjett and putting this on post every single day on vlr
Half right
Another reason we never use same language and not common with english.
Use simple language if sometime wanna talk with person have different languages (in asia it's common when they having another language, multilingual it's common in here, at least we just learn trash language just for culture exchange)
Wait I wanna clean the mess up in here
So what's the point about this Convo tho ?
I know riot really want put some LGBT characters (because money impression) and we not much care about it (as asia people).
And the drama all along from western, so I put the line this LGBT drama as asia people will not cross the line about this and we don't care about it.
Then u came just comment my point like I don't know what the point what's riot want ???
This isn't 'drama'. Non-Binary people existing and being represented in a video game is not controversial. It is only a big deal becuase people are choosing to be bigoted about it. I understand that it may be genuienly hard for people to get used to saying they/them pronouns for a character who looks particulary feminine because they aren't used to it. But being purposly hateful towards the idea of a character representing a group of people, who are very much real and don't want their existance to be political, is a very sad and pathetic thing to do. If something like this is actually upsetting to you, you are a bad person and need to re-evaluate your world view.
The only thing that should be important is that now a margalized group can feel represented in their favorite game, just like others have felt since launch.
holy shit the brainrot has gotten to you, don't fucking delude yourself into thinking that nb is somehow not controversial, this shit wasn't even a thing until a few years ago and now you cunts are going around calling everyone alt-right or bigot for questioning it. I implore you to go to other countries and see if your shit will just simply fly like it does in your usual reddit and twitter spaces.
How is a group of people who just want to exist without being harassed causing any controversy? They are literally doing nothing towards you that affects your life at all more than just asking to be referred to as they/them. They are humans too. This has nothing to do with what other poeple do accross the world. This just has to do with making a group of people not feel like outliers in the community.
If you are being openinly hateful towards a group of people for being in that group... that is the definition of being bigoted.
how can you seriously say this doesn't have to do with the rest of the world when this game exist in so many countries and many of them don't even have this. china doesn't have this, russia doesn't have this, south american doesn't even have pronouns like this. THIS GAME EXISTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY THINK THIS SHIT WILL FLY BECAUSE YOUR LITTLE SUBREDDIT SUPPORTS IT. your whole argument for this only works in the west, hell clove is still referred to a she in russian translation, clove still have female prefix in china, your argument only stems from your little bubble that echos and supports your sentiment, and now you're trying to push this onto the rest of the world under the guise of moral grandstanding. you're just being a cultural colonialist, calling everyone a bigot for not conforming to your ideals. fuck off
So you agree that people who live in those countries who consider themselves non-binary have no way to express themselves for who they are? And that possibly the existance of someone like themselves in a video game they like to play can give them possibly the little bit of representation or comminity they don't have in their real life?
Stop acting like its ok to be hateful towards an entire group of people just because they are wrongfully persecuted in some of the most authoritarian countries in the world. This is no different than being hateful towards a religious group for believing in their religion. Just becuase christians, jews, muslims are being persecuted in different countires around the world doesn't make it ok. Why should it not be the same for non-binary people and other LGBTQ+ identifying people.
Wanting a group of people to feel safe and welcome doesn't make you sheltered or in a bubble, I just believe its never ok to direct hate towards people who are just being who they are while not inflicting any hate outward. How simple is that
what kind of mental gymnastics are you playing where you're suddenly saying that the rest of the world all has nbs and therefore this is good because it somehow supports them (even if they did exist, they'll never see it in their respective country anyways), do you forget the ccp owns riot? remember how the ccp also said they're banning games with effeminate males (not joking you can genuinely search it up), the west isn't the entire world you know? this shit doesn't exist in those countries and riot has made a clear effort to not go against them, if anything they're just trying to appease whatever internal biases you have so that you keep fucking playing and throwin money at them in the process, all the while the majority of people who aren't part of the lgbtq or hell even immigrants like me who are esl (english second language) who never even heard of any of this, have to suddenly step on egg shells just to make hurt your fragile egos.
What kind of mental gymnastics are you playing to try to find a way to be openly hateful towards people. Newsflash, there are people in every country who feel like they don't align with either male or female pronouns, they just don't advertise it because people with the same ideology as you will harass them verbally and sometimes physically. It still happens in the west. I'm not defending Riot, I agree they are just a company doing whatever they can to make the most money possible. I'm defending the people who are getting hate for absolutly no reason just because one character doesn't have he/him or she/her pronouns like the 23 before. Again, I'm not saying anyone and everyone should be ousted for not correctly gendering poeple 100% of the time, just the people who are choosing to do so just because they don't feel like non-binary people should exist.
This is the last-time im going to respond. Clearly everything is just going over your head. I hope that one day you can mature and realize that being hateful is just wasted energy.
kek, one day i hope you realize that your ideology is nothing but a sham for corporations to milk money and goodwill out of you only to throw you off to the side the moment they don't need you anymore. you say you're fighting for marginalized people but you're just making the normal folks hate you even more.
real talk na_kekw, why is it that you're so resistant to nb movement. I can understand that you don't want to "suddenly step on eggshells" but it seems to me that all these people r asking of you is that you respect the personal decisions they've made for themselves (treat them with human decent) and call them by a different pronoun. Their expression is not an attack on other people so why do you feel that way? Is it really that offensive to you if a person prefers to be called a just they/them instead of she/her? If so, why?
didn't have a problem with trans at first, until they started to become figurative hyenas, making their gender identity their entire personality and attacking anyone and everyone who may have misgendered (even accidentaly) them or deadnamed them, they're a bunch of sad individuals who can't afford to experience any sort of social turbulance without immediately screaming how it's everyone else's or society fault they're like this. just look at twitch when clove release, fns accidently called clove a she on stream and suddenly his chat is losing their minds demanding him to apologize, to the fucking fictional character no less. when clove got announced during vct anyone who called clove a she in chat immediately got banned, im past the point of being convinced this whole nb thing is anything but a political move.
these are biological features that are considered a third sex, those are medical conditions and the respective countries have already figured out gender terms and norms for them, what the wests problem is they created a vague ass gender called non-binary and now want to push that shit to the rest of the world, when for centuries they've never a problem with this stuff. once again like I said before, it's cultural colonism and you're just doing it to make yourself feel morally superior.
people have the right to not acknowledge something that they dont believe is right
if people start acknowledging them, it starts going down a slippery slope, and not everyone is going to accept that.
We accept u for being gay or whatever but we also hold the right to call ur pronouns by ur biological sex.
we are not demanding u to change, just demanding that if i respect u, u also have to hold the same mutual respect of ME and my choices that i dont want to acknowledge ur "new" pronouns
i want to respect them but if i do i would compromise my OWN beliefs. To me their not worth me compromising my moral values and worldviews over, i just live and let live. Do i hate them because of their sexuality? no. Do i hope they get better and recover? yes. why is this such a hard thing for people to accept?
yes. I believe that humans were made to reproduce, which is what our reproductive system is for.
sure, a minority that doesnt reproduce wouldnt hurt, and many that are straight still dont reproduce anyway.
however that doesnt change the fact that it is WRONG.
to my beliefs we were created to have offspring for generations.
Feeling that i should be a female when i was born as a male is just wrong.
It's not about what u feel, that feeling is a false psychological feeling.
If I FEEL like i shuold've been born as a wild lion roaming in the wild so i spent all day trying to practice lion sounds and lion movements and live life butt naked in the jungle crawling on my all fours, but no im mentally stable and totally fine i was just trapped in the wrong body and this is how i really feel! My pronouns are _____whatever bs idek at this point. take a look and reconsider in hindsight if that is a mentally sane character. and if u dont accept me for who i am than ur transphobic and disrespecting me and discriminating me and ur making me not feel not included.
this whole thing is js bs lmao
I have nothing but sympathy for LBGTQ people, however mentally sane people that SUPPORT the movement is something i have 0 sympathy for.
tbh i feel like riot and the streamers r taking it 2 seriously in the sense that people do accidently misgender clove and you know it unless people are being intentionally hateful
in the end its just a game kekw :l if ur gonna get pissed over a fictional character in a game getting misgendered just go do something else lol
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