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Did Sentinels peak at the exact perfect time?

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#1
skibidiyesyes

Been seeing this narrative being thrown around a lot and honestly it makes sense.

EG disbanded, PRX lost their best and most impactful player and adopted an objectively worse playstyle before because of it, LOUD lost their best and most impactful player and adopted an objectively worse playstyle than before because of it, DRX disbanded, the Kick Off format allowed teams like FNC and NRG to be gone after a single loss, the entirety of EMEA got exposed for not bringing FNC, etc etc.

Sentinels managed to peak in an 8 team Masters tournament on top of that, less teams = less chances of losing, which means they don't have to spend time prepping to face 3rd seeds (as an example, EG was Americas 3rd seed for Masters Tokyo yet still made the final). The fact that LOUD without aspas and PRX without Jinggg made it this far with objectively worse players is honestly just proof in that this might be one of, if not the weakest internationals in which SEN successfully managed to peak for, especially compared to what we've seen just last year (the quality of gameplay at the top took a big hit honestly).

Proud of them securing a trophy though at least, even if it's a bit fraudulent. Hope they can keep this form up for Shanghai πŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺ

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skibidiyesyes
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honestly rewatching some vods from last year's top 4 rn and yeah I just can't see SEN beating these teams with the mistakes they regularly make (yet they still win with them). We're so lucky lets go.

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yukky
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bait failed so u had to revive the thread all good bro

#12
skibidiyesyes
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No I'm actually rewatching some vods, specifically some of LOUD v FNC. Also aren't you that tiktok yay hater? Can you give Less a shoutout in your next vid I think he deserves it.

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yukky
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gotchu

#49
Tempest24
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Wait are you finished chamber merchant?

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AK3
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yeah bro I guess we didn't see the same champs last year lmao 1 team from 1 region just dominated 2 LANs and champs we can say it was between 3 teams so please suck you loses and shut up, Madrid is way more competitive than you saying bro, 2 teams from each region and you saying its fraudulent?!!!!,

If your team didn't prepared and just act like they can win it all without practicing and then faced the ultimate truth of been humbled by other hard work team don't start yalling and crying about the format of kickoff please

you favorite team which I can understand from your threads might be (NAVI,FNC,NRG) all of them had the time to prepare for kickoff, Instead they just posting tweets about how dominant they will be and then got humbled so hard.

just face the reality and give credits to the teams who took it seriously and worked very hard for it man and accept your loses, as a sen fan for 3 years i knew we were shit and we cant win anything because the org it self didnt set up their players to succeed and we accepted that fate and now because your teams didnt qualify you starts crying about the format?
OMG these kids on this site cries so hard lmao

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skibidiyesyes
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I can't take you seriously lol, also I cheer for SEN :)

#3
Brimstan
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Just goes to show how mickey mouse this tourney is

the real teams are all preparing for shanghai

#5
skibidiyesyes
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I don't like agreeing with EMEA flairs but yeah you're kinda right, LOUD v SEN was the shitshow today that convinced me entirely.

#8
teilwal
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Whats more mickey madrid or lockin

#11
skibidiyesyes
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LOCK//IN no debate

#26
Brimstan
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both are mickeymouse but the difference is that fnatic could go all out in lock//in and still win tokyo right after

#38
POOPMUNCHER
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100% madrid

#47
ArtemisZ083
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Dw NAVI wont make it anyways

#4
Kuracpimpekkitadjoka17cm
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why you always write paragraphs

#7
skibidiyesyes
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I like expressing my thoughts and ideas entirely

#23
Kuracpimpekkitadjoka17cm
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But it takes alot of time, btw when were u born?

#29
skibidiyesyes
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I'm 20, what's up? :)

#30
Kuracpimpekkitadjoka17cm
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no i dont care your age i want to know what date

#31
skibidiyesyes
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2004? is this my first Q&A here?

#32
Kuracpimpekkitadjoka17cm
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Bro january february what date??? month and day

#33
skibidiyesyes
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Nah now you're just being weird lmfao, guess it yourself, you have three months to work with

#34
Kuracpimpekkitadjoka17cm
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? You're the one being weird u dont want to tell me your birth day datee

#6
kanyefan4238173
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i dont think they peaked yet. they have elite maps but their overall map pool is wonky. i see their potential with maps like split, sunset and lotus. they just need to figure it out elsewhere and they can continue to be one of the best

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skibidiyesyes
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Honestly I didn't consider that not gonna lie, maybe they really haven't peaked but it's hard to tell when they keep winning haha.

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yungbasel
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All fair points, but can't deny they are an extremely good team.

On the other hand, most of it doesn't matter. They've beat all of who most would say are the strongest teams right now. And hypothetical results are meaningless. Only what actually happened.

As for 8 team tournament being fraudulent, absolutely. But still, they deserve all the success, the players are all COOKING right now.

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skibidiyesyes
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True they deserve the win, I just wished the quality of VCT stayed the same since Champions, it has been going uphill since 2020 until now and honestly that's a bit concerning. Maybe it's because of the terrible formats so far or something.

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AscendantBrain
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Yes SEN definitely are in better form than PRX, LOUD, NRG, FNC. They simply have played too much LAN and their prep is of the best at the moment.

"Peaked" is a strong word. It implies SEN cannot get any better or are close to their best. I think once the the other teams I mentioned fix their glaring issues, then we will see if SEN can rise to that level.

For now, I don't mind the use of the word "peaked", they are playing at their best right now.

#17
beaver_man
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Yes very true, low competition Mickey Mouse tourney

#37
mommymiIk
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ong

#18
Selex
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They definitely haven't peaked. They're average to terrible on like 3 maps. And ignoring split, they can also improve substantially on their other good maps. I'm not sure how you can logically call that peaking. As long as they keep grinding, they'll only get stronger as the year progresses.

#19
Reckoninqs
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this skibidiyesyes guy has only been hating in his posts like bro do some else.

#20
skibidiyesyes
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Unfortunately for you, this is in no way a hate post :(

#24
Reckoninqs
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For me? imo all you do is try to belittle the achievements of SEN even in this post saying it's fraudulent.

#25
skibidiyesyes
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Is that a hate comment? Did it seem like I was hating on SEN? I'm sorry then :(

#21
CoCloudy
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EU coping so hard its insane 😭😭😭

#22
skibidiyesyes
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Love it when people think I care about EMEA, makes me promote my petition more https://www.vlr.gg/316984/change-org-petition-to-relegate-emea-from-tier-1

Great reply though!

#28
CoCloudy
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nah
its js funny seeing people trying so hard to diminish sen's success

#27
Manaphy
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I mean every 1st event has lower quality teams than the champions the year before.

#35
Dayylol
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Couldn't this be said after every year be considered like this cuz u could say, oh well fnatic peaked last year cuz gambit split and and loud lost sacy and pancada or loud won 2022 champs because acend or sen fell off after 2021. Like teams have a point in time where they are able to win, not just because everyone fell off but because they got better. I don't think that this event is any less competitive than any other masters.

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skibidiyesyes
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Not really? I don't think anyone will argue against 2022 LOUD being stronger than Gambit, or EG 2023 being stronger than FPX 2022. This year's quality of gameplay for the top 4 is just objectively worse and honestly I don't know why.

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AK3
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ohh you know why?
because you favorite teams sucks hard man and didnt managed to qualify for madrid

so suck it and don't watch Madrid hopefully your favorite will qualify for shanghai so you can watch (proper valorant) lmfaooooo

#42
skibidiyesyes
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My fav team is SEN though? And what are you even crying about anyways, do you know what the word β€œobjective” means? Such a child lol.

#40
meadows
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Yesshitskiiii alt confirmed

#43
skibidiyesyes
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Ok?

#44
TheSacredDonut
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I think this is very fair. However, what you are missing is that the first tournament of the year will always be of a lower quality than champs. The meta and map pool have all been reset, so it is natural that teams are playing worse than Champs 23. Also, players are just always rusty towards the beginning even if they are scrimming non-stop. I think what is impressive is Sen's read on the meta, set ideas, anti-strats, and calling all of which are factors that other winning teams have had and relied on.

#45
TheSacredDonut
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Also, looking more specifically, I don't think NRG, Fnatic or Navi would have qualified in a double elim format. Fnatic just did not innovate while KC and Heretics had excellent ideas and anti-strats. NRG look solid, but I feel they needed more time to flesh out their ideas. I think Navi would just get skilled diffed by KC and Heretics. DRX would have prob lost to Gen G or at least won't be playing as well so I think that point is moot too. No EG is valid though along with Loud and Prx taking a downgrade

#46
IoI
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facts

#51
skibidiyesyes
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Thanks for agreeing

#50
FNC_Ajay
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Facts

#52
moshimoshiman24
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i mean for this tournament yea but the perfect time to peak is at champs.

#53
NecxGen
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I think it's too early to say. imo Sentinels are winning thanks to sorting role and player issues pretty early on, built team chemistry very quickly and they got a lot of off season matches to happen, so progress-wise they seem at minimum like a couple of months ahead of other teams. They've clearly practiced a lot, but have lots of kinks they need to work out; but i feel like the skill ceiling for them will only grow more. The win will still be deserved considering the work it still took to get even to this point so far.

That being said, the main reason I say that it's too early is because every team progresses at different rates, we are bound to see different teams do well as they sort out their shit. A good player is only as good as his team allows him to be, so there are many many potential promising talents this season that are going to start popping off once things get refitted.

All in all, I'm hyped for the rest of the season regardless. I'm already consistently pulling all nighters to watch these stupid Masters matches.

#54
VGG
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12 team but regional winner getting a pass to playoff
fnatic only won 4 games in tokyo

sen already won 3 games and they need at least 2 more games to claim madrid

madrid>>>> mickey mouse tokyo lol

#55
GKeepItReal
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This Masters is a mickey mouse, Sentinels will flop the next two events.

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