CS2: The Valorant Killer

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RetiredRadiant

Look, I know what you're thinking: this is 0/8 bait. You're wrong. Why?

CS2 will now feature a new anti-cheat, a leaderboard with rankings, and seasons like Valorant.

The game objectively looks better than Valorant now.

The game is easier to pick up as a new player because you only need to learn 4 utilities, not 40+ abilities and counting. like in valorant, you dont have to learn the lineups for cs. and with new features, such as the preview in custom mode, its easier than ever to learn.

CS2 as an esport clears Valorant and the idiotic management by Rito. The new open circuit is huge.

Demo replay system actually exists for over two decades. Rito doesnt have one because they dont want you seeing all the bugs & cheeeters. The new Chinese replay system is only for highlights, it's stupid.

The death of tier 2 in Valorant will see a mass exodus to CS2, especially for currently marginal regions like NA/OCE/SEA where new opportunities await.

The growth of ESL's IMPACT offers a compelling alternative to Game Changers.

CS2 arrives at a perfect time: many are burnt out on Valorant, the horrific state of ranked leaves the player base ripe to try another, similar, FPS

I love Valorant, I think it's a lot of fun, but the game only features good promotion, not good management. Without moderation of the game and development of the esport, it is fated to become Overwatch.

The only people saying CS2 is just an update are washed players (tarik, yay) who have a vested interest in Valorant. CS2 is an enormous change to the game, which preserves the core mechanics that have made it the best fps and esport

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nop ^_^ valo better

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yes in cs you will be plastic

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Valorant is the only eSports FPS games where all 3 major continental regions , AM, EU, Asia are on almost same lvl(considering each region has their teams in Top3 of International tournaments)

And dats d best part abt it ..
Asia has almost 0 existence in CS Int...

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they arent? americas miles ahead of all other regions

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yeah honestly Masters and Champions feels like it has more stakes, ups and downs and the like because everyone can theoretically win it

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kamisavitar

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Yeah... LOL is dominated by Asia
CS by EU/NA

Dat leaves Valo as the most balanced game evr

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CS by EU/NA

CS dominated by NA 💀💀💀💀

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kapteN

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Na in cs? LMAO

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USCK

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And yet CS esports scene is much more popular

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kamisavitar

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10+ yrs of development in eSports, no rival FPS game vs 2 years of valo..
Blud watt u comparing?
Still Champions 2022 peak watch was insane

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Fortnite had the biggest esports event only 2 years after the game started my point is that all regions being equal is not a good point to argue on

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kamisavitar

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N Fortnite is ded now...
It is bro... It will bring good viewership, followed by capital, followed by small countries trying to grow..

All riot has to do now is fix their T2 system n in next 3-4 yrs they'll be 10folds successful

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I know Fortnite is shit now but I am pretty sure it still has more than double active players compared to Val or even cs

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kamisavitar

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Im talking abt eSports... Valo eSports is goin triple successful than fortnite... Gradual, increase growth

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USCK

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Which they should since most of Fortnites player base is under 14 and that shit is like roblox now

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RetiredRadiant

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if fortnite is dead, that shows that simply having high twitch viewership does not equate to the longevity of a game... valorant's viewership does not ensure the game will continue to grow... the ranked experience is objectively in a horrible state (smurfs and cheaters and griefers are in every game beneath immo3, and they go virtually unpunished) and has no hope of changing. premier did nothing to improve ranked (i dont know why anyone ever thought it would). the esport is in a crisis. just because valulrante makes childe game during covid to huge success does not mean that success is as sustainable as the goat: CS

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No worries bro, im pretty sure it wont die .. Fortnite is gone case game...
+Riot has exp from LOL
And to make sustainable eSports...
So chill it will just grow further, just T2 needs a fix next year

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What game wre you playing bro. Ive had close to 1000 hours in val and I only ever encountered 1 thrower before. Cheaters never lol. Only smurfing is an issue rn, riot needs to stop encouraging smurfing done by youtubers.

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fortnite is the worst example to use. Like fortnite is one of a kind for all gaming

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ngl though mongols is going toe to toe with a lot of top teams atm always getting close to beating them mongolian cs is no joke

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kamisavitar

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Yeh bt still nvr reched grand finals or top 3?
Dats Just my point...
+Mongolz yaa soo good plz shift them to valo✨
Rise of a new region

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Idk i think what mongolz are doing is really really cool
yes they havent reached top 3 but theyre probably a top 20 team atm with potential to be top 15 and that might improve the quality of their entire region.
I do wish TOs would do more for smaller regions though. IEM sydney is a start, but the region deffinitely needs more funding.
either way it makes me root for teams i otherwhise have no connection to which i love personally

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Nope, AM can't compete again EU/ASIA. Full clout only.

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no one plays val for the graphics they play it for the abilities

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I mean Valorant is a very pretty game a lot of people do play it because of how it looks

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By making the esport year so short for Valorant they basically want T2 players to switch to CS2

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amen

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as if switching from val to cs makes sense if you are not from emea, nah not even emea, just eu to be fair.

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I speak for everyone when I say that we are not reading a single word of all that

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You forgot about cartoon graphix 🗿 it make me happy like anime

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Ullyr

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Nah cartoon grapfix clears all. Also better esports world wide. :)

Also don't compare riot management of games with blizzard lol its actually laughable. Riot made 3 games top 10 twitch viewership any time ( league, valorant, tft) in 2 years will be the fighting game and 5 years the mmo. Blizzard killed every one of their IPs latest will be diablo 4 buggy unpolished no content mess.

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Who’s talking about blizzard?

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Ullyr

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Guy mentioned it's gonna die like overwatch ... blizzard manage overwatch.

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What are u talking about? lol

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Ullyr

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Read last sentence of his post

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Calling a "X game the Y Killer" is so lame.

The main killer of any game is the own game itself.

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RetiredRadiant

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most sane vlr user

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supernova

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CS2 = CSGOMEGALUL

same game lmao

Less changes than OW2 = OW

-Supernova The King of Valorant

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RetiredRadiant

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you clearly havent been keeping up with the game. they dont need to add new abilities or guns to make it a 'new' game. the maps have a totally new look. the graphics are 100% improved and are now far better than valorant. the changes to the esport structure, the HUD, ranked, etc are enormous.

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TM06Nick

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Map updates, Graphics and hud change = new game. Y'all are sorry

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kapteN

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As a cs player since 2008, lmao.

Not a new game, more like a meta update after meta has remained roughly the same since astralis era

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koromast

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bro thinks same game with new graphics = new game, yeah dude your csgo remaster its a new game, surely

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cioccolat

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csgo2 is literally shittier than ow2, ow2 atleast had new modes and agents kkkkkkkkkkkkk

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rent free

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TM06Nick

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This is vlr. Go post this on HLTV. No one cares

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MaTrix96

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They said this about bob.... Look at what happened to bobkiller

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Glad to hear CS is getting better! Both games are getting better now because there is competition in the tac shooter genre.

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you know for a fact that if valorant didnt exist CS2 wouldve never been made LOL
the competition is good for both games
the fact that CS is even making changes to the way their esports are being run is because of valorant and their partnership system
theyre just battling eachother and tryna come out on top...making both games/esports better as a result
the only problem is people like you who are braindead individuals hating on the other game

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Bro why tf does Valorant live rent free in these CS frogs' minds? Go to fucking HLTV you no lifer

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Because they're CS frogs, they don't have better thing to do

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The only thing that can ruin valorant is riot themselves.

Valve is making much better steps when it comes to the esport.

Riot: we will make our own franchise
valve: no franchises and we will now ban leagues from having partnered teams

In the long run, this makes CS’ scene more competitive and interesting.

Disclaimer: I like valorant more than cs, but riot has a shit esport mentality

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I agree with you I prefer the open circuit.

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0/8

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The game is easier to pick up as a new player because you only need to learn 4 utilities, not 40+ abilities and counting.

I disagree, learning like 20 nade lineups per 8 maps in the pool or whatever is def harder (or at the very least a lot more time consuming) than val utility. Plus the physics of the nades is tricky when you’re not using lineups, they act weirdly

So anyway, when valorant copies CS it sucks and is bad and no original ideas, but when CS takes shit like the leaderboard, they’re being “competitive”? Crazy how that works

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you made an account just to share your essay? that is so sad

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cioccolat

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its literally just cs with a shader

also no woman players, which is very important when you are a casual person who wants to enjoy a game with your gf.

csgo players try not to have daily meltdowns over valorant challenge (impossible????)

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Just for CS to ban the closed circuit is already a thousand times ahead of Valorant

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The necessary knowledge (and to and extent skill) floor to be able to pick up counterstrike means it has fuck all chance of breaking into newer markets. Valorants more intuitive utility and basic movement make it significantly easier to pick up and approach to a new demographic that wasn't born in the days of 1.6

Also tier 2 esports is still a money pit in CS, it just takes longer for orgs to realize since there's still something shiny at the end of it.

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GSH

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Hmmm, I don't see how a player who was tier 2 in VALORANT can be tier 1 in CS2. It is possible to go from CS to VALORANT in terms of aptitude for skill shooters, but the reverse is far more difficult.
CS2 requires more severe marksmanship than VALORANT because there is less of an agent/skill component, and the CSGO player's marksmanship is clearly better than that of a VALORANT player.

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Objectively speaking, Valorant is a much more entertaining tactical shooter than CS. I was an active CS player but after I got introduced to Valorant I started having way more fun than I could ever have in CS. The addition of abilities really adds more randomness to every round which makes each and every round very engaging and not mundane. I still do play a bit of CS every now and then but never for long periods of time since I find myself to be bored pretty fast. Valorant on the other hand gets tiring a lot later. So no, it doesn't matter if they improve the graphics and shit 'cause the core gameplay of CS 2 shall pretty much be the same as before. CS 2 ain't gonna be the supposed 'Valorant killer' you are hoping it to be unfortunately because there shall always be heaps of people like me who shall still prefer Valorant's gameplay.

TL;DR: Valorant > Any CS game.

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Riot is better at treating their game, dude. Valve barely do anything for CSGO, a lot of cheaters. The only viable pro-scene is EU, unlike in Valorant where every region look alive, even though Americas team keep losing.

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stopped reading at CS2 will now feature a new anti-cheat
If you think CS2 will solve cheating like val has without kernel level access, your on crack