is NAVI really that bad?

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hanafuuji

I think they're still a decent team, a lot of people ranking them lasts in their power ranking right before the chinese teams and I think they are much better than that. we know how high their ceiling is and I think they will bounce back on champs, they will finish at 5th/6th at least.

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they lost to GIANTS

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yeah and FNATIC lost to TL, so what? they know they already qualify for champs anyway and if you look at the game it's clear that both of those teams are not even trying lmao

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they lost to KOI

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they won the rematch though

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they lost 1 map to kc, where ze1sh dropped 21

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they still won though, even LOUD dropped a map against KRU

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ze1sh got 10 more kills than cned globally

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hanafuuji

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so we just gonna forget that cNed is a world champion in 2021 and he surely have more kills than ze1sh if we count that, wow I just realize NAVI haters are something else

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yes, and ze1sh was a assistant coach since 2021 to a month ago

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WinterZ20

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wait what LMFAOOOOOOOO

aint no wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

NaVi is so finished 🤣🤣🤣

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So now they should be responsible for their relax, they enter the hardest group. And they can relax for several months if they lose 2 matches. They deserve that just because they relax in the match with GIANTS

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Okbrook

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And? Giants are good.

If we listen to NPC''s like you, all teams are bad...

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Nah all emea teams except fnatic are shit. Those teams are just wasting slots.

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hekzy

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blablabla same stupid shit by NA flags all the time. If EMEA has only one good team then Americas has 0.

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Yes they are

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i was boutta type a think piece but then read your name

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NAVI fell off so hard it's legit sad, bruh they're only getting into masters and champions because FNC won EMEA an extra slot twice. So yes, they are really that bad.

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no they're not because if you watch their game when they play against FUT on EMEA playoffs or if you watch their game against GIA on LCQ final you know that they are not trying at all, they are satisfied on being the last seed of EMEA, if EMEA only have 1 slot in LCQ I guarantee you NAVI would try and actually win against GIA convincingly

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Nah that is not a valid argument because why are you not trying when qualifying is on the line (also giants were trolling even more than NAVI in that game btw), plus look at how they did at Masters Tokyo. It's done, it's over, NAVI is cooked smh.

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because why are you not trying when qualifying is on the line

by the time NAVI reached the grand final or by the time they reached lower round 2 in EMEA playoffs they already qualified for Tokyo/Champions, so I could see them saving strats just like how OpTic save strats every time they reach grand final in NA Challengers last year

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You clearly did not see what giants were playing then because they were running cloud yoru, fit1nho breach, and rhyme raze. Bro they were also trolling, NAVI just got flat-out beat.

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while giants were trolling their comps they were still trying to win, because they wanted to more than navi

if you look at navis game you can tell they are running their past troll comps and experimenting to see what works, they are literally just playing it like scrims. Not trying to win just figure things out and see if certain things can work.

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StutterSt3p

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Bro, what are these excuses? Bruh NAVI just lost lmao, they are getting cooked atm.

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BayArea

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why is NAVI not trying in masters tournaments either

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CoCloudy

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Prolly just had a couple bad games and werent in complete form

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EU is the better region i wouldnt count navi out after a couple bad games.

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L bait yet again

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Idk what happened but it could be due to the roles. They play like different roles every map(shao, angel). Team would be better if ardeez nuts was there instead of cNoob

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CoCloudy

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bro how many times a day do you change your flairs 💀💀

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Master_oGgway

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He didn't choose that flair, the flair chose him

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hanafuuji

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thank you master oogway

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Master_oGgway

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No problem, my student

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Daxta

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philosopher right here

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they are looking horrendous right now but always have potential to be good again

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they need to stop fucking around and start banning lotus

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idk what happened maybe their team is broken, seems like they just play individually and no one actually cares about the team, yet they have enough individual skill to outaim teams who are actually trying to play as a team, they look nothing like the last year na´vi and maybe ardiis was their glue because of his personality or anything like that because i find the rest of the team pretty serious and cold.

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adilKhan

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Bro they literally got their ass saved by FNC two times in a row lmao they don't even deserve to be playing any international LAN this year

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hard to keep defending this team when they dropped a map to karmine fucking corp (allowed a plat assistant coach to absolutely pummel them) and lost 0-3 to giants (double duelist + chamber every map).

we know how good this team is capable of being, they literally have 5 world champions, but we havent seen a single fucking glance of the superteam that navi are supposed to be.

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they aren't that bad, their troll fans are a annoying. they just either have no chemistry or they played terrible. i think they can turn it around but im not hopeful, because i think it is chemistry.

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Navi will not win a map this event.

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Be realistic homie
Their default sucks and midrounding off of almost no info
They don't take advantage of aggro playmaker like cned
They play horrid comps, no skye rarely breach, no harbor, ange1 doesn't know how to Astra so he plays brim
They have discipline problems when there's teams with individuals playing at a similar mechanical skill level
In the off season, I can believe they will bounce back. I can excuse coming in 2nd LCQ bc of VOD review and low prep time but the amount of bad performances and getting owned by KOI and even almost KC was too much to believe that in 2 weeks they'll come back

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DID YOU KNOW THAT,MTHEY LOST TO KOI

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727Yelenaa

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Their players might be talented individually but with an igl like ANGE1 they are a rly bad team rn. ANGE1 should just retire and start farming like an old man